Babies Born April 2007 #13

Hi again,

I have more time now, so thought I'd come on and do a propper post.

Mel, I just can't figure out Lily's sleeping. I hope Olivia has sorted herself out a bit for you, if not, I sympathise. LOL with Olivia sharing your pillow. When Lil sleeps with us, she literally sleeps on me. She has to have her face or something on me somewhere. As for sleep school, I think I would still go. I have been thinking about calling them myself, but I don't know if she's really that bad...
How are you feeling with your pg? Lack of sleep really sucks when your pg huh?? It sucks anyway, but being pg too, ugh! I hope your coping with work too. I'm hating work at the moment but I try to keep on telling myself there's only a few weeks to go.
Lucky you going to the foo fighters!

Erin, I hope Charlie's feeling better now. Poor little man.

Jen, I have no idea why Lil's sleeping is so unpredictable at the moment. I don't know what triggered it or why she's doing it. She is teething- getting all four first pre-molars and one of the little teeth at the front. Maybe that's it, but who knows. I'm just being consistent now, no more coming to our bed, the exact same routine at night and her day sleeps, using trigger words like dum dum, blankie, nigh night. It seems to be working, when I say those things she's pointing to the bedroom and sometimes runs in to get her blanket out of the cot. I'm just trying to be patient. I don't think I would be able to handle any crying from her at the moment, so that's out for trying to teach her to sleep. If she doesn't get any better, I will call Karitane or somewhere like that and see what happens. I'm not sleeping in the day time much since Lil's day sleeps are hit and miss. Most days it's 30-40 mins 2 or 3 times a day. Some days I get an hour or so, but not regularly.
Too bad about the auction. I hope it goes soon for you.

Christy, Hello, so good to hear from you!! :wave: Sorry to hear you have had some family troubles, but it's so good that you have sorted through things. I hope all is still well.
Thanks for the congrats, it was a big surprise for us to be pg so soon after Lily, but hey...mother nature obviously had plans for us!

Kristie, glad to hear Dylans bday was fun! What a clever little man he is too!
I hope you sort out your headaches. Maybe they are from your pg? How are you otherwise, chasing after 2 little ones?
I am definitly sleeping better now that Lil's in her own room...that is when she's actually sleeping and not crying! At least I'm not hearing her grizzle at night anymore. You're lucky that ylan goes down so easily. I'm trying to wean Lil off being rocked, but it's not going very well at the mo :rolleyes: I just can't do any kind of crying methods, especially now, I'm so so overly emotional with this pg.

Developmentally, she's doing really well. She walking everywhere, well actually running, she's always in a hurry to get somewhere! Language wise, she's saying alot- mama, dada, bubba, nanna, this? (dis?), thanks (sanks), woof (oof), tweet tweet (ee,ee), bath (bah), duck (duh), no, yes, shoes/socks (shss), mmm,mmm (as in yum). When she wants a drink or food, she pokes her tongue in and out and says num, num, num. She points at anything that interests her. She does the actions to If your happy and you know it (clap you hands) and twinkle twinkle. If I'm not carefula dn she gets her hands on the phone, she picks it up and says 'yes? Babblebabblebabble' then laughs, if she gets something she shouldn't have and I see her, she'll take it and run, then smack me when I take it off her. She's just such a little monkey and copies things I do like turning on the heater (though her fingers arent strong enough to press the button thank goodness, but she copies my movements, pressing the button and looking for the flame in the heater) .

A couple of questions...about sleep (!!) and bottles/milk.
First, how many day sleeps are your bubs having and for how long? Some days Lil can hardly make 2 1/2 hrs in the morning before needing a nap, then she's only sleeping 30-40 mins cause it's so close to her night sleep, but she's just soooo grumpy if she doesn't sleep then. Probably cause she's had such a dodgy sleep in the night. Other times shes going 3-4hrs between naps, though often still only sleeping 40mins. And no amount of resettling gets her back to bed. Some days she sleeps twice, some three times.
As for milk, how much do they need now? Lily has about 4-5 bottles a day still, but usually only 150mls. She usually has them between her meals (eg: 1 first thing in the morning, breaky, midmorning bottle, lunch, mid arvo bottle, dinner, bed time bottle, the a small one -100ml during the night.) So all up about 700mls of cows milk a day. Is that too much? Maybe I should try to get her drinking more each bottle, but not as many bottles?? Or just less milk, period?

Ok that's enough of my rambling...if anyone has posted while I was writing this, Hi!! It has taken me an hour to get through the whole thing in between doing other stuff!

Hey Kel,

Knew I would jinx myself...Olivia was awake from 415this morning. DH did the first round but because he is working today I got the pleasure of sitting with her from 430 til 545am. She was still awake and we couldnt get her back to sleep. I DONT want her in our bed any more so I just sat there, tapped the cot, sang softly encouraged her to coudle dolly, etc. She was reasonably good til the end when she was super tired then started her screaming routine...which is usual. So DH got up, tried his usual trick to no avail. At that stage we decided to do some cc...our last resort, so from about 545..yes i was counting the minutes, til about 6am she screamed as we shut the door. I ended up getting up and rocking her to sleep, but every time i put her back down she would cry. So I sat there til 615 to make sure she was out. At least she didnt come into bed with us.
Sleep school is ringing today. They do an initial phone interview to assess the situation and give you tips...which they did last time...she said to ring back if it didnt work, so i have and have had to wait another 3 weeks for a slot. So Kel, maybe you should give them a bell. I am going to talk it up today so I can get somewhere. I just need some help. Its been happening almost everynight since New Years, so enough is enough.
Well the little terror is awake, so I'll go get her and see how her mood is....

Oh and hows Lil after her fall...you must have been beside yourself, sounds like she had concussion and a bit of shock, although resolved very quickly.
And the pregnancy is very tiring..you know early stages, you just want to sleep. Thing is I have joind the belly buddies group and quite a feww of them are miscarrying and its really sad in there atm.

Have a good one

Love Melissa

Good Morning!
Mmm went and had yummy bacon and eggs with my boys this morning and it was mmmgood!!!
Kel- Lil sounds like alittle sweetie! Wow she has lots of words....I am starting to wonder about Beaus vocab! He points a lot now, but mostly says "oohh" when he does! If I say "out?" when he is in the bath he points at the towels which is cute.
About milks and naps....B has tonnes of milk! Prob 3 to 4 x 240-300mls a day! If he has a long day sleep, only 3 bottles and usually he only polishes off the 300ml before his big sleep at night. He was the same as lil when he slept crap all at night, tired by about 2 hrs of being up, he still does that some days tho, I think its when they are having a bit of a growth spurt too. Robin Baker says bubbas should have much less milk than what Beau has, I read it the other day and freaked a bit but, you know what? He is happy and not a sumo size so he must be alright. She also says teeth dont interfere with sleep so go figure that one! He has usually one nap now but sometimes still 2. They are usually 1hr long if he has two, and maybe 1 1/2 hrs if he has one. Yep, give Karitane a call if you cant handle the crying out. You never know tho, she might take to it now she is a bit older? I think it was the best thing i ever did for Beau! Cant get over how well it worked for him.:redface:
Mel - Oh :hug: - turn on the tears on the phone! Just say you have tried every thing. Good luck
Ok better go hang out some wash and make a bed or two.

Hi again ladies

Mel, hugs hun :comfort: I know the feeling. Lily woke four times last night. For at leat 20mins each time, up to 45. So I was up every 2 hrs from when I went to bed. I might as well have a newborn again now!! I guess its good practice...but I'm buggered. We went to see a friend today so I was distracted by that but now I'm ready to go to sleep. Lily has had two sleeps already so probably no nap for me today. Good luck with the sleep school. I hope you get in soon. I would dramatise what she's doing too. Not lie of course, but just say your pg and she's making you so tired from not sleeping and from being tired you're grumpy and she's grumpy... yada yada.
Lily is fine after falling. She did give herself a shock. I don't think she got a concussion though, I think she vomited from crying too much. She's done it a couple of times before and I do it too if I get really upset, so I think that was why she threw up. Otherwise I would have taken her to hospital. She has a nice egg on her head but was/is fine after it. I was the one who got shocked more though!!
And big hugs with your buddy group too. Maybe just avoid going there for a few days? It's scary when others have losses at the same time in pg as you are at. But I'm sure all will be well fro you. Try not to worry over it. I know how hard that can be though.

Jen, yep, Lil's pretty cute when she wants to be. I went to see a friend today and she wouldn't believe that she whinges over me half the day! If I'm not in the lounge room or my bedroom, then she whinges. Especially if I try to wash up or cook, oh my lordy me!! I have no idea what her phobia is over it but if my feet cross some invisible threshhold to her she just starts whinging and pulling at my pants and no amount of distraction will keep her happy. It's a real pain.
It's good to hear that Beau still drinks lots of milk too. I was worried I was giving her to much. But as you say she's no sumo baby and still eats a fair bit during the day, so I should just do what works huh? I hate it when you get ideas put in your head when prior to it you were sailing along happily! It was my mum who planted the little 'too much milk' seed in my head. She reakons Lily should be having only 2 bottles a day. "By her ages you kids were only drinking two bottles a day!" Grrr!!! Bah to teething not interfering with sleep! I remember when I got my wisdom teeth, they killed me, gave me a sore throat, ear ache, migranes....I can only imagine how painful it must be for a little baby to get FIVE teeth at one time. She must be hurting at least a little bit of the time!
I'm still not so sure about karitane. I'm thinking I might wait for her to get these teeth through most of the way and see what happens. But then there's not so long until bubba comes, so I don't know what to do!!! I am coping now, but if I have a night like last night with a new baby too, I will never get to have any sleep.

Ok that's it, my whinger is whinging! Must go.

Hi!

We had a busy morning with Dylan going to gymbaroo and then both boys having swimming..urgh - I'm wrecked!! LOL!

Kel - Sorry to hear Lily had a a bad fall - it can be very scary thats for sure! Dylan fell head first down our brick pavers a week ago and had a big egg and still has marks there even now! LIttle bugger screamed for all of 2 minutes and then just wanted to climb them again...boys!!
I hope you get her sleeping sorted before bubs comes along...it is so draining...
I'm well...have been very tired and my tolerance levels aren't that great but I'm going well...very excited for my 12 weeks scan tomorrow so that I know everythings ok and I can get super excited!! It certainly is very busy with 2 but it's only going to get worse! LOL!!!
Wow - Lil is certainly a smart little cookie thats for sure - she sounds very cute!

Regarding sleeps - Dylan mostly has 1 day sleep now or 2 if it's interrupted if we're out and about and then only has prob 30min a time...normally anytime around 11am although sometimes 1pm if we're busy! If he has 1 sleep he probably lasts around 1 1/2 - 2 hours only though...but he's usually in bed at 7 - 7.30pm and then through to 7-7.30am in the morning...

Wow - thats lots of bottles! As far as I understand it, from 1 they shouldn't be having bottles at all!!
Dylan has milk on his cereal, yoghurt, cheese at lunchtime/snacks, and a cup of milk before bed and thats it! They should be totalling 600ml of dairy a day if that makes sense - milk, cheese, yoghurt and thats plenty. They say that because you don't want them having too much dairy and not getting nutrients from other food...Also they no longer need it in a bottle form - it's best for them to now learn to drink from a cup...Not sure of why...I know bottles before bed are no good though as it can affect their teeth...But as you say you just do what suits you guys...

Melissa - Sorry to hear about Olivia's sleeping..sounds like sleep school is the way to go...when we did cc we would let him cry for 1min then go in and resettle, then 2 min etc - it only ever got up to 10min once - but thats was like over an hour of drama - however!! after a couple of hard nights he sleeps beautifully - he wakes up for his dummy occassionally (as does louis) but it's still a matter of going in finding it and they go straight back to sleep) So I would suggest it's finding a method your happy with and sticking with it until you win as such...if you give in and pick her up and rock her she'll just know to cry heaps next time until you pick her up...don't know if that makes sense or not...

For you and Kel though - you have to do what your comfortable with...I just know that way is effective and they will prob do something similar at sleep school....But as you know Mel - you get to breaking point and you would do anything for a good nights sleep! unfortunately for me that breaking poing gets reached about 6-7months in - LOL!!! Well, Louis got about 8-9 months of crap sleep in before I'd had enough...god help the next bubba! LOL!

Ooh, that happened in my belly buddies as well...that is very tough! Glad your going well though!!! Bring on 2nd trimester I say! LOL!

Jen - Bugger about your house still on the market!!! I hope it sells soon for you...Thats great you got a weekend away though. Yeah Beau on his walking and talking! Won't be long until it all just comes together and there's no stopping him!
Omg I so want cooked brekky now! LOL - we might have to head out on the weekend!! We have a place near us that does a "big a*se breakfast" It's so yummy - and massive! Dh and I buy one each and make a plate for the kids off ours as well and we all still have food leftover! LOL!!!

Chat later!

HHmmm sleep school. Well apparently I am doing all the right thigs, but shes a "hard nut to crack". Doing all the right things with my settling, feeding, not co-sleeping. Apparentlyolivia is sleeping too long in the arvo...3 hours, so i have to wake her up after 2 hours...um just moved her from cot to lounge floor and NOTHING. still sleeping like a baby. And she says that I have to put her to bed by 730. Hhmmm i will try it but will end up spending hours settling her and listening to screams. Oh shes awake...yay for loud tv and hi five!!!! 2.5 hours sleep.
Anyway I did end up crying legitamitly coz am so tired and shes booked me into a day stay in May. She was going to book me in for 5 nights but the next vacency isnt until July 27th.....wow, want it sorted by then.
I know shes getting at least 2 of her molars, so thats an issue too. As for the milk, olivia still has usually 3 bottles of 240mls a day...sometimes 2 and sometimes 4 bottles. I try getting her to drink it out of a cup but she spits it out.

As for the belly buddies group, a lot of the girls have had previous miscarriages, so they are all scared about the first scan. Me, I am scared coz everything is going too well. Not sick, not had any bleeding and by this time with Olivia, I had had 3 scans. Just paranoid. Might stay away for a bit though and hope things settle soon.

Sorry about the me post...hope everyone is well.

Love Melissa

Jen, you have to remember that Beau is up to 6-7 weeks younger than the bubs in our buddy group, so of course it will be a fair time before he's up to where the other bubs are. He sounds like he's doing fine to me. With language it's not just talking that's important, actually it's more important that they understand what you're saying, and it sounds like Beau understands just fine!

Kris, thanks for that info about milk and calcium ect...I was thinking about when to stop giving her bottles. She only has them for milk and it's not as if she needs one anymore. I think it's more the snuggle and quiet time with me she likes. Which we can do with her sippee cup. She doesn't feed to sleep either, but has a bottle about 15mins before her night time bed time. She eats pretty well though when she's at mums she eats like a horse cause she won't drink bottles for anyone but me and sometimes DH. Are you still bfing Dylan, if so how often does he feed? Did you get that info from a book or website or was it something someone told you? I'd like to read up on what to be doing with her now, with regards to everything really, but dont know what would be good to start with.
And all these bubs having only one sleep a day, gosh, I'm lucky if we only have 2, most days it's still 3, well lately it has been anyway. She's down again now for her 3rd sleep today, and she's had 2 good ones of at least an hour each. But I just can't keep her awake. If we go for a walk or to the shop or whatever, she just sleeps in her pram!
Yay on having your scan soon. You pg seems to be going so fast. Mine feels like its dragging!

Oh Mel, big hugs again. I know how hard it can be. And wouldn't you think that Olivia being a 'hard nut to crack' would be a godd reason for them to give you help??
I ended up in tears last night after going in to her for the second time in 4 hours. She was absolutley screaming and was hard to settle again and every time I thought she was asleep and tried to put her to bed she'd wake up and cry again I was there for about 30mins just trying to settle her. After doing it 3 times I was crying and thankfully DH came in and took her. I just went to bed sobbing. When he came back to bed he said 'we can bring her cot back in here if you want or maybe she can sleep with us?' So, so sweet since it was him who wanted her out so badly I did too, but wasn't too fussed really. But I have bitten the bullet now and I am NOT bringing her back into our room and most of all not to our bed. Bubba comes in about 15weeks which really isn't long and I don't want to be kicking her out then for him, kwim? She'll be so confused and might blame him. And besides I still think it's teething. She's got really red cheeks today and spots on them and she's doing foul poos (sorry tmi!!) and is tugging and poking her ears, so I think it's her teeth. But besides that she needs to learn how to sleep on her own.
I'm sure everything is fine with bubs too. I felt a bit like that earlier in my pg. But I also started to feel the baby move quite early, though I wan't sure that was what it was, LOL! Maybe try to get an early scan if you can, just to feel better.

Ok gotta make dinner. Tah tah!!

Hi!

Well, we had our 12w scan today and all is well with our little bubs!! Was very exciting!!! Dh thought he saw a doody but we will have to wait to be sure! Was just nice to see everything was as it should be!!
Otherwise a super busy day...I just don't seem to have much time to get on top of anything at the moment but things will have to slow down eventually - LOL! Problem is when I eventually get a quiet day I don't want to do anything at all! hehe.

Melissa - Big hugs...well, you can only do what you can do and hopefully sooner or later she will respond and sleep well for you...It is so hard when your so tired from the p/g as well...

Kel - I've weaned Dylan from bfing now..well, actually he really weaned himself. I did that a couple of weeks ago and at that point he was only having a small morning feed...
Ummm...I'm sure I've read stuff like that before but mostly I get the info from the mchn...when he had his 12m check (although I knew from Louis) she asked if he was drinking out of a cup now that he's having cows milk and I said that he's not a big milk drinker but he loves yoghurt and cheese etc and she said as long as he gets the 600ml he'll be right....so maybe catch up with your mchn??? they should give you handouts of this stage of development etc as well...
I'd definitely be trying to get rid of her 3rd sleep!! I don't like Dylan to sleep past 3 or 4pm or he generally won't sleep that well at night...I know each bubba is different but I'd definitely try and cut it down...obviously hard though if she's just falling asleep when your out...
Big hugs to you as well - I know what it's like to be drained from bubba while p/g as well! LOL...I agree - you're definitley better off getting her into routine with her sleep now so that it can stay that way when bubs arrives...you'll have a lot less hassle that way...even to the point of getting dh to put her to bed as you'll be busy when the baby arrives and may not be able to do everything!!! Both our boys already can be put to bed by dh and me so there's no hassles...Worth perservering at anyway....

Ok...sooo tired, chat later!!

Hi All,

Well, the night after sleep school rang, I made sure she lept only 2.5 hours and put her to bed at 8pm. it took 40mins to settle her to sleep and you wouldnt believe it...she slept til 8.15am. Thats nearly 12 hours straight. Last night was ok, she went down at 830pm, awake at 1am, had some water and asleep in 10 mins, same again an hour later, then slept til 7am. So not too bad. So far we havent had her in our bed for 6 nights. I'm not even bring her to bed first thing...although I would love to for cuddles, just dont want to break it up again!

Kel- wow at 3 sleeps. olivias been doing one sleep for about 4 months, but she'll do a solid block in the arvo. Like Kristy said, i wont let her sleep past 4pm, otherwise it mucks up with bed time...so I have learnt the hard way!!!! I dont know how you will change that habit. Good luck. Am sorry you ened up in tears...big hugs, its so hard. I hope she settles for you soon.

Kristie- yay at your scan. Am going to the gp today to get my referal, so I think it will be 2 weeks away for me. Make sure you get some rest.

Jen- sorry about the house, hope it sells soon. I had the same problem with mine last year, went to auction, no bids, then eventually sold it for a fair bit less than I wanted, but I was 8 months pregnant and was happy to get it off my hands...they got a bargin and I got to relax...oh well! Bacon and eggs...yum yum. b sounds like he is doing well. I keep forgetting that he is a may baby, so hes doing great guns. I know what you mean about focussing on one word...Olivia does it with woof woof....everything is woof woof!!!

Well i am at work....am bored...such a slack job some times!!! Am in the middle of changing my surname which is a pain in the buum. Take care and have a great day.

Love Melissa

Hi!

Mel - Yeah on the great sleeps - I hope she keeps it up for you!!! Well done!! Urgghh have fun doing the name change stuff! I hated all of that and it took me like 6 months for some things - LOL!!

Off to do a delivery in the city this morning and then hopefully we can all chill out this arvo...the house looks like a bombs hit it!! Chat later!

Gosh I did a long post yesterday and lost it and now is the only time i have had to some back....

Kel - yea i do seem to forget that huh? Thanks for the wake up call! I think i am autism paranoid or something! Too much oprah....poor you and bursting into tears, you poor love. I cant imagine how tough you guys must be doing it, no sleep and pg and all. hugs to you and fingers crossed for tonight.

Kris- sometimes i am really sorry about not knowing anyone with a bubba that i am close to! I had no idea it was so soon i have to wean him from milk and bottles. I need a 'next stage' book after 'baby love' i think....I didnt find my mchn very helpful. Any book suggestions? And what other snacks does dylan like? I have just started giving him cheese peices cause he doesnt eat little sandwiches, he wont have fruit and likes to feed himself so i give him sultanas and a cracker with vegemite and the heinz museli and fruit bars but i dont think they are that great. ?? Thats great the scan went well! Ecxiting! Could have three "doodys" on your hands!

Mel- Hey congrats on the improved sleep! Sounds like you are getting somewhere restricting the day sleeps some more. Hope it continues! Good luck for tonight.....
Us- Beau had two 30 min sleeps today and cried the second one out and is a crank bottom! I just gave him some watered down juice as that always snaps him out of it!
When a dog barks now he says 'dog' and when he sees his he says "dog" now we are in his room and he points to a photo of elvis (our dog) and says 'dog' too...its pretty cute!:D Um...he is fascinated with boxes at the moment, watch boxes, ring boxes you name it...and he has discovered the stainless steel cupboard and has begun the bashing of pans and tins...oh lord.
Better go and bath this kid.
Have a good night x

Hi girls,

Kris, congrats on the scan, it's always so nice just to have the reassurance of seeing bubs floating around happily in you tum huh? I always feel a little better after one! Especially early on.
:redface: I haven't been to the mchn since Lily was about 6 months old.....she has been to the dr twice and I do watch her growth and weight, but I never felt a need to go since then. I guess I should just go and check in??!!
The only reason I don't mind ehr sleeping 3 times a day is because some days her sleeps are only 30-40mins each. And I just cant resettle her, so if that's the case I don't mind. All up she usually never sleeps more than 2-3(if I'm REALLY lucky!) hours a day. Thennight time it's between 10-12(again REALLY lucky) hours she's 'in' bed (not always asleep, LOL!). I don't let her sleep after 4.30. And if she has a late sleep I wake her after 40mins at the most. I'm going to be writing up a routine and following it to the letter for next week. DH has 6 days off work, so we will do it together. Hopefully it works.
YOUR house looks like a bombs hit it, you should see mine....there's crap everywhere!

Mel, I'm so happy that the sleep thing seemed to have worked. I hope it keeps on keeping on. It might just take her a while to get that it's the way it will be. At least it has been easier for you. And I hear you on wanting morning snuggles, but not wanting to tempt fate, I'm the same. Lil's banned from our bed completely now. I snuggle with her on the lounge if she lets me.

Jen, we had a pretty good night last night, she only woke once, thank goodness. I dosed her up with nurofen for her teeth, poor bugger she's getting 4 or 5 at once, so I can kind of understand why she's so unsettled, but when your up for the 4th time at 2am, you forget :D !!
Beau sounds like Lily. She luuurrrves the pots n pans cupboard. Oh and my cupcake tins! She uses them as skittles and slides them across the floor. It drives me batty, but it keeps her quiet while I cook ...sometimes!

Me, well I had another tanty this morning because Lil was following me around like a fly on a stinky dog and DH was doing nothing to help me. She even sat outside of the shower recess while I had a shower to get ready for work. I ended up in tears and didn't go to work. I went to the dr's instead and she told me she thinks I have depression, if not PND. Ugh!! The last thing I need. I have to go and see the midwives at the clinic and maybe a social worker. She gave me tomorrow off work too and I am going to still take DD to my mums and have a quiet day to myself to potter around.
I went swimming this morning too, and it felt sooo good to be in the water and weightless. And I managed to swim for 30mins and not get too tired, so I'm gonna start to do it regularly.
That's it, must go DH is going to soccer training...

Hi!

Jen - Don't stress...I don't think it really matters too much...Umm...I dont' know any really good books...I've got Kaz Cooke kid wrangling but I don't really have any toddler books. I really only get my info from reading the billion emails I get/parenting magazines and my mchn.
Snacks...hmmm - what doesn't he eat - LOL! He's only got 2 teeth still as well so he does very well - he basically wants to eat anything that Louis does.
He eats yoghurt, fruit, cheese, bikkies - like crackers, Oh I just tried them and they love corn thins, dip and bikkies, I can't think of anything else at the moment...He eats sandwiches though and toast...
Beau sounds like he's doing so well - I wouldn't stress at all!!!

Kel - I always go to the mchn check ups...not because I think somethings wrong but just to keep a record of how they're going...I was thinking Dylan was so skinny and at his 12m check up it turns out he's 300g heavier than Louis at the same age so useful for that kind of stuff as well! I do get quite a lot of good advice and it does make you feel good that they're cruising along hitting they're milestones!
Good luck with your routine...I would really try and let her have only 2 sleeps though even if they're only naps...she may not sleep longer because she knows she doesn't need too iykwim???
I'm so sorry to hear that they think you have depression/pnd...Thats a pretty strong diagnosis - do you feel like you do?? It is certainly hard having bubbas close together and can be very draining. Sounds like a great idea having a day to yourself! I hope you enjoy it! Yeah at going swimming - I've been dying to for a while now but just need to organise a babysitter as I want dh to come as well so it's kind like date night - LOL! I take the kids swimming each week but I don't get to swim iykwim?

I vented in the punching bag thread this morning as my mum was being a cow this morning saying all this rubbish about having another boy (not that it's confirmed but more than likely!) I was so annoyed - she's such a nut bag sometimes...

Anyway, I'm still in my pj's! LOL! Having a lazy day as I have to do a party tonight and travel prob over an hour to it so thought I'd rest now! Chat later!

Hey All,

Kel i wrote a post at 7am, just when they were locking the site...so I lost it. But basically loads of hugs to you. You're doing a really good job and its hard work. If they think you have depression/pnd, try and get as much help as you can. Might be worth having a chat with someone, just to air your thoughts/feelings... good luck. Hope you are having a great you day.

Kristie- people suck when they want you to have a particular sex baby. I have that issue as well with there being 10 great grand daughters and no boys in this generation on DHs side. With olivia, MIL kept on saying...hows my grand son. it really got to me, we knew she was a girl, but the thing is it doesnt matter, as long as its healthy. Especially since we had all those tests...they should have been happy she was healthy. Now the pressure is on to have a boy again. I would love a boy, but if it means extra attention, I would settle for a girl!!! IYKWIM!!

Jen- olivia loves kitchen cupboards. I need eyes in the back of my head. yesterday she smashed a coffee cup. She goes for the glass cupboard all the time. Anything thats noisy!!! Arent they cute!!!

Well, another day at work....we just had yum cha as one of the girls is off on maternity leave. I feel like a big fat heffa!! Booked my scan for 15th of May. So excited but so nervous. I was at the gp yesterday talking about it nearly in tears, as we went over Olivias results. it said very high chance of chromasomal abnormalities.....well she proved them wrong. Hope its not as traumaticv this time around.

Well got to get off the computer....take care all

melissa

Hello ladies,
Although Lily had a not so good night, waking 3 times, I didn't mind since I had today 'off'- off work, not looking after her a day for me. Though I was awake at 5am, cause DH went to work then and couldn't go back to slepp so I got up at 6am. Lil woke at 6.45 and it was nice to potter and not have to chase her first thing in the morning. Well after a very restful day, I feel much better. I did have plans to clean the house from top to bottom, but then decided that I didn't want to so I only did what had to be done. Then I went out and got my brother a bday pressie for tomorrow and I got mum her mothers day pressie. I ate what I wanted all day and ended up having and iced chocolate with all the trimmings, yuuuuummmmyyy!! Then I came home and slept the arvo away, sleeping from about 2 til 5!!! And it will be take away for dinner :D

Kris, yeah, I am going to try to not let her sleep 3 times a day. She didn't yesterday, maybe it has just been her teething?? I have no idea, she's got me a tad cofussed at the mo...
I don't know if I feel like I'm depressed. I'm definately feeling down, and I looked two websites about depression which have quick survey things to do if you think you're depressed and I was saying yes to quite a few of the indicators, which means I am either depressed or heading that way. Though today after a good rest I do feel alot better. But I don't doubt that if something were to go wrong I'd probably get stressed again. I have to go and see a counsellor (sp??) on TUesday at the ante natal clinic, so they are pretty quick to get to trying to 'fix' me, hehe, I sound like a toy.
Yeah, swimming was great yesterday. I used to do it years ago, and I mean years...about 10-15! I don't know why I ever stopped because I really love the way it makes me feel. I have done it on and off in the years since, but not regularly. I actually do enjoy exercising, though to look at me, you'd never guess! (Besides me being 25wks pg, LOL). I am really going to try to keep it up this time.
And bugger anyone who tells you a boy isn't going to be just a precious as a girl, or your other beautiful boys. Do they know how lucky people are to have babies at all, to have gorgeous healthy babies?? There are so many who can't no matter how hard they try. You obviously do, so just ignore them, change the subject or something!

Mel, pooh at them locking the site on your post! That sux. Do they know how much effort goes into writing some of these things!!! ;) Thanks for the hugs. It is hard. And yep I'm not going to knock back any help anyone offers me. I'm not a person who says 'No I can do it myself'. And I know myself and that I think I do need to talk to someone. Especially before bubs comes. I don't want to get worse when he's born and I want to be the best I can then, kwim??
Hugs to you too for your upcoming scan. I know whow scary it can be,waiting with your breath in you throat to hear that little heart thudding away and be told it all looks ok. I hoep you're taking someone with you for the scan.

Well that's it, I must go and get my little angel. Hopefully she will be a little angel for me tonight...fingers crossed.

Hi!

Gosh, what a lazy day I've been having...fun though playing with the kids and cooking some yummy snacks because it's yet another cold day...tried to have a bit of a snooze but it's a bit impossible in this house - LOL! Of course dh has got home from work and gone straight to sleep - grrr!

Melissa - Geez..it's not like you have a choice and can just produce a boy for everyone...how frustrating...it's not your responsibility...yeah I understand what you mean - you'd hate to see the boy get extra attention and extra spoilt now...it just wouldn't be fair...it's so strange how people get hung up on this stuff though...
Gosh Melissa, wishing you all the best for your scan this time around...I sooo hope it's all straight forward...that must have been such a scary time for you with Olivia...

Kel - Wow Kel - what a great day it sounds like you had!!! I'm so glad you did that for yourself!!!
Sounds like a good idea to see the counsellor though - better to get on to it quickly than let it really affect things iykwim...

Better and get the kids a snack before they eat each other! LOL...

Hi ladies,

Well it was a beautiful day here in Sydney, the sun was shining and it was warm outside. I had my big double sliding doors open to let in the light and Lily and I have been pottering around outside on the verandah. I did two loads of washing and I am about to tackle the disgusting pile of dishes in the sink, but that was where it stopped....Lily slept for 20mins and I didn't even get all of the washing up done. She woke in an abosolutely foul mood and wouldn't let me out of her personal space. If I wasn't on the floor playing with her, with in reaching distance of her she was up and whinging and chasing after me. She drove me insane for the rest of the day. She was back in bed an hour later because I was seriously going nuts. But that was all of the sleep she had, so only one propper sleep until 7.30. Then DH is home for 6 days from work. I hope to get some us time during those days I can't remember the last time we spent time together just us. I really miss him sometimes, even though we see each other most days, but we don't...connect, kwim? Life just takes over and we don't take care of 'us'.
Well, Lil was up 5 times last night. I am soo tired, but I want to do so much, I don't want to stop for too long or I'll fall asleep! LOL. I don't know what her problem is but I sure wish she'd get over it. I think bubba is a light sleeper too cause every time I got up, he wriggled and jiggled inside me. Though I find it reassuring to go to sleep with him squirming about in there. I still need to finish the washing up and hang a load of washing that's been sitting in the machine for hours and beeping at me. Anyway enough of my woes!!

Hopefully tomorrow will be a better day! Happy Sunday night!!

Hi All.
Gosh where has the weekend gone?
Kel - Hey I am sorry you are feeling so low at the moment, Is DH helping you out at home when he can? I think we all have PND to some degree, even if it is just mourning our old lives LOL!! Thats good that you are willing to embrace the help. I know I had some really dark times since I have had Beau, I feel like I have settled into him now IYKWIM so I cant imagine being PG and no sleep, I think I would be in bad shape myself.
Kris - Thanks for that! I bought Beau a sippy cup, but he isnt really into it yet, its good for the times when he is getting pooey and wants a bottle but isnt ready for a sleep. It keeps him happy for a while and he doesnt have as much milk as he would out of a bottle. Thats weird you are cooking up! I have been making a persian feast this weekend, and bought lots of yummy things to give Beau a try of too.
Mel - thinking about you with your scan, tell your extended family to go jump! Some people just dont get it. Especailly when you look at all the IVF/TTC threads on here....we are so lucky as it is.
Us - Well I had a bunting marathon on Saturday and made 8 metres of lovely blue stripes and spots and stars for the big day next saturday...I have printed "B" on all the lolly bags but have eaten all the bertie beetles and have started on the milk bottles now....I hope there is some left for the bags!!!
Big kiss to all,
better go
x

Hi!

Kel - Glad you had a nice sunny day...Thats great dh has time off now! I can totally understand on the not connecting thing - it's one of the hardest things to do after you have kids!!! Dh and I aren't always very sucessful at it and sometimes it can feel like I'm totally alone with a lot of things...it's certainly not intentional but just the way it goes...sometimes you both finally get some peace and quiet after bubs is in bed and you just want to chill out on your own not focus on your partner...
How nice to be feeling bubs kick all the time! I can't wait for that again - it's the best feeling in the world I reckon!!! To know there's a little bubba growing in our tummys - gosh it's such a strange concept really!!!

Jen - Wow - you're such a clever cookie - Always making things - you sound sooo creative!!! Your mind must be always going with things to do! LOL at eating all the lollies!

We had a great day yesterday...chilled out in the morning and then headed to my brothers in the arvo for some cake for his b'day. Louis slept the arvo away but Dylan was having lots of fun!
He's such a terror at the moment...he hates it when I say no to him and throws himself on the floor screaming and kicking his legs. It's so hard to be consistent with him because he can be so draining - however I know it's in all of our best interests to do it...some things are slowly sinking it but geez it's a battle sometimes. He's going through pressing buttons on the tv and dvd and stuff at the moment which is driving me nuts...I usually found with Louis after a week of telling him off he'd basically leave things alone but Dylan seems a lot more stubborn!!
Better get them organised - I've got to do food shopping today, we don't have much food left at all!

Chat later!

HEy All,

A very quick one from me before I go wash chuck off me. Olivia was up for 2 hours last night chucking. She hasnt eaten much today, lots of water. I just gave her a few mouthfuls of soup and then she had her bottle and she did another huge spew. She hasnt got a temp, just a bit grizzly and a bit off balance( hit her head hard this morning). Should I just skip milk for a bit or water it down????

Hey All,
Mel - I would still give Olivia milk if she will take it, just take it easy with it. Hope she is on the mend by now, maybe she just has a dodgy belly? Is she normal in all other ways?
Kris- Wow at Dylan throwing tanties! I cant beleive that is here already! Beau wants absolutely everything now and is a screamer! Shopping is no longer fun i tell you! Ditto the tv and dvd, he has worked out tho if he presses the off button on the sound gizmo the people on the tele dont say much so he turns it back on...
Kel - Missed your other post when i posted before too - I find that i get really low with everything when Dh and i are out of sorts too, I think it has a knock on effect for everything else so I hope you guys can have a heart to heart...
Better go and cook tea

Time for a new chat thread everyone :)