Babies Born April 2008 #3

WARNING....POO question!!
Hi All,
I'll try and do personals later, but I just wondered..
Do any of your little ones strain (vocally and physically), and get really upset before a poo?
Im assuming not to be honest.
BJ (we are off to the dr yet again about it today), get visibly upset for about 12-24 hours before finally doing a poo (which mind you is the consistancy of runny pureed baby apples, except orange!).
This happens every 2 days...he WAS actually constipated about 3 weeks ago and was on a laxitive for ir because of the stupid gaviscon, but once we switched over to Zantac they all softened up.
He takes in about 60ml of water a day (the MCHN suggested that about 10-20 per day should free him up completely, and whilst the consistancy is heaps better, the actual process of getting them out hasn't changed).
When if finally does do one (he just did after being upset from about 5pm yesterday) its LOUD....I heard it 3 rooms away!
Hopefully Dr will have a fix, or will refer to a paed....poor little fella

I think I'll have to start Liam on some water as now that he's having formula at least once a day his poos are quite firm. For the first time, I noticed him having a poo during a feed this morning. He wasn't upset or anything, I could just see him concentrating and straining a little.

Question - how to you give the water? In a bottle?

It's been quiet on here for the last few days...

I give it to him in a bottle :)

Evening all,

Just an update, Wyatt is going great. I think he is out of spurt...(fingers corssed) He's sleeping for 2-3 hrs at a time during the day, granted that is if DS doesn't wake him up. It's school holidays and DD and DS are at each other all the time. She thinks she is in charge of everybody.

Anyway it's give me a break, and I can some stuff done. Nights he's still fine that was never a problem.

Anyway DH and I are going out on a date along wit Wyatt. We have a got a GF coming to look after DD and DS for the evening, and have planned it so the kids should only be up for about an hour and half before they go to bed. So shouldn't be to much drama, but if so I have told DD to call me and will come home.

Clothes Sizing: Wyatt fitted in 00000 suits, for first 2-3 weeks, not bad for an almost 10lb baby. Then up into 0000 and I have only just changed everything over again, into 000 the are hugh on my little huffalump. (got some room to move still in them). He is now 58cm long and 5.8kg. He also hold he head up really really well CHN said for a 6 week old baby, she seemed really impressed. It's cute if you hold hishands he stands up for a few seconds, then floop onto him bum, then up again. He think's he is so clever... Males :lol:

Well I have finished doing Iron and putting clothes away. Have done dinner dished and just about to go to bed, after I out more washing in machine to do over nightish. When does the Washing ever END...

Well I hope you are coping and doing well. Everyone getting enough love? What about getting some adult time with friends?

Will chat more 2morro if I get time. I have been read all post just as you all know noe enough time to post.

Cheers
Sarah

HI all

Just a little update from me. Baxter had his follow up paed appt yesterday, paed is pleased with his progress and doesn't want to see him until he is 4 months old.

Had him weighed earlier in the week and he is now 4.150kg. Smaller than all your babies but has had two good gains in the past fortnight, 215gms and 195gms, so hopefully my little one has turned the corner.

He's in the 10th percentile for his weight, but in the 50th (57cm) for his length whih is pleasing.

Overall, going quite good, he could sleep more during the day but self settles beautifully at night time and sleeps for around 7 hours so I'll take what I an get.

Joining Weight Watchers Online this weekend to get rid of these 6kgs of pesky baby weight.

SG
xo

grubi - actually all medical procedures seem quite gruesome to me and i can never bear to watch, not even a blood test! did you feel a lot of pulling during your c/s? first time i felt absolutely nothing, but second time was awful - not painful, but felt like my insides were being ripped out (which i suppose they were). Hey with the swaddling, did you wrap Greer the way it said to in the article, with back rounded and feet tucked up? How do you do that? When DD is in the sling that's pretty much how she sleeps, but I don't know how to do it with swaddling.

babywrangler - dd does make all sorts of sounds before pooing, but only for a short time, except after waking up for the morning when it seems to take longer. why don't you ask your mchn about it?

sorry no time for more personals - must get to bed.

Hya girls,
have been out all day and have only just got home!!!

Russell slept through last night 7:30 - 4 am i was so impressed with my little man. he is still in 0000 day suits and 2 peices and 000 jump suits at 7 weeks.

will do personals in the morning as i just wanted to share my good news re sleep!!!

Night

Hi Mgm,
Yeah I asked her the other day, she said to give him more water cause he's constipated.
I went to the Dr today, and while we were there he was grunty and whiney and stuff and she looked at him and said "Thats not right, we'll book you into a paed".
She sent off a sample (cause I showed it to her and she agreed, it should not cause pain going out), and reduced his dose of Zantac by half.
Its a public holiday here monday, and if we can't get in early next week I have to call the Dr and she'll get him in as an emergency....

He was good tonight, it was a goodbye for one of my workmates (well, ex workmates) we all went out for dinner, he slept for the first half, then when he woke up he charmed everyone with his smile, talking and laugh (more of a gaspy breathing in thing but I'm pretty sure its him laughing), came home (hysterical in the car) had a bottle of EBM, and went to sleep very quickly....just waiting to see how he goes overnight!

Look at all you ladies up late!!!

My friend lent me the Dunstan baby language CD and It really works... if your baby is crying this isthe thing for you. It breaks the cries down into words that you can really hear. I know all to well the ow word... which means tired... hear that word, put him to bed and .... MAGICAL sleep!

Also borrow one of the baby whispera books, and have had lots of success with the sleeping too. Two recommendations from me!

MGM I didn't do as per the article, I'm hopeless with swaddling, so I used a "snug as a bug" wrap on Greer. With my c-section, yes I felt the tugging and wrenching, totally unaware of what it all was since it was an emergency and I hadn't had anything explained other than you will feel some tuggin and pulling, that's how this works from the anaethestist... I also had cortorisation and could hear the zapping and smell the flesh burning - again didn't really know that was what it was until after it was all over. This was the first time in my life I'd had surgery and hopefully the last.
Feeling really sad :( about the fact that my little girl is going to have to have abdominal surgery so young due to her umbilical hernia. They are going to monitor it until her 4 month immunisation and if it hasn't improved refers us to a paediatric surgeon. THe Drs keep asking if I have private hospital cover - great!!

Taurusa I have been keeping an eye out for a second hand copy of Sandra Dunstan's DVD as I thought it might really help me. My little one seems to Lah all the time when the cries are intense and none of the internet interview information tells you what a Lah is.
BabyWrangler BJ was probably hysterical in the car from being over stimulated with all those new faces etc to take in at the dinner. I know I had some difficulty with Greer after the morning tea I attended where she was passed around to half a dozen or more people and over 30 having a stickybeak.
It was our wedding anniversary yesterday and DH and I realised just how lucky we are to have the relationship that we have, not perfect but a lot better than some people we know. Would anyone say that they have the perfect relationship with no issues?

Shoegal that is great news about Baxter, you will probably find that he will start to 'fatten up' now that he is having some good weight gains.
Zennie the last 4 days or so Oliver has been sleeping from 10.30pm to around 6.30am which is fantastic for me, his 10.30 feed is a sneaky one as he is still half asleep and I get him up for that one but stay in his dark room and feed, have you tried the sneaky feed? it doesn't work for everyone, but at least if you do it around the time you would normally go off to bed you may find that you then get to sleep through to a more respectable hour in the morning.
Taurusa have been thinking of getting something like that CD, a friends mum taped a thing on TV last year, I think it was the baby whisperer but I never got to watch it and now I can't find the tape that it was on, will have to have another proper look and not just a 'boy look'
alittlegrubi I don't think that anyone has a 'perfect' relationship, my DH and I have a fantastic one, but definitely not perfect.

Thanks Sharon, he already feels heavier and is getting cute, chubby cheeks too.

Re - Dunstan Baby Language, I watched this before Baxter was born and he only does the "neh" for hungry, he's lost it as he has got older but it was very distinct when he was younger.

Perth/WA girls - you can actually borrow it through your local public library, that's what I did.

SG
xo

PS - Baxter slept from 10.30pm until 5.30am last night so his mumma is feeling great today!

Alittlegrubi - (no expert here only had the dvd for 3 days) but lah if you can hear the h sound she said ha word is for uncomfortable... she said to listen for the h sound. Too hot/cold/ doesn't like where she is or wet nappy.... other wise there is an ow word is for tired, neh (as said before) for food, eh (listen for the e short e sound like in egg) is for wind and the errrr with the e but more emphasis on the rrrr is for a lower wind pain.
Anyone else had success with any of the words???

We're doing ok here at the moment. I've figured out DS a bit more so I'm better at settling him - although I'm sure this is only temporary!

If I get the chance - I might check out what my library has this week - thanks for the suggestion Taurusa!

Shoegal - well done on the sleep! What a clever little boy you have there! I wouldn't put too much faith in those 'percentile' thingys... every little person is unique and your boy is just where he is supposed to be. Well done mamma! I'm also about to look at some weight loss techniques - haven't lost much at all since the birth. But I do eat a lot of bad food at the moment! Will try to get that under control in the next week or so... but am always so hungry!! Need to lose about 16 kgs to get back to where I was before pregnancy hit! :doh:

Sharon - I'm too scared to rouse DS for a 'sneaky feed'. Not sure it would work anyway as he seems quite determined that things are done on his terms! I'd probably be wasting my time (and milk - as he has EBM and once he's fed from the bottle, I'm supposed to throw out the leftovers). Sounds like it would work well for those of you lucky enough to put your babies to the breast...

On the partner issue - DH & I are going along quite well. Had some words today but I'm really proud about how grown up we were. We didn't get petty or have cheap shots, but were able to tell each other how we felt and cleared some things up quite maturely. It probably helps that we've been together for 18 years now so we pretty much know each other and we don't need to play games anymore!

Have updated the photo below - he's smiling well now. So adorable!

Hi all,
Still having a rough trot with BJ at the moment, sleeps are being interrupted by him arching his back and crying...then he'll pass wind and relax for a while....
Im waiting impatiently for tuesday morning (its a public holiday here on monday so I cant book in for the paed)....and hopefully we'll get an appt soon....
Dr is concerned enough that if I cant get one next week, I need to call her, and she'll book us in with the Paed as a rush case.


p.s when I get to log on for more than 2 minutes at a time, I'll do personals

Thanks Nettie, I shouldn't pay attention to percentiles, but it's hard when people comment on how small he is. :(

Liam has such a full and dark head of hair, just gorgeous!

Will keep updated with the Weight Watchers progress...

SG
xo

Shoegal I might check out my local library too, you never know, they may just have it.
Nettie don't blame you for not wanting to take a chance with the sneaky feed since you are feeding EBM, don't want to waste the precious mummy milk :D WOW look at how dark Liam's hair is. I can't wait till Oliver is smiling more so that we can capture them on camera.
BabyWrangler sorry to hear that BJ still seems to be in a fair bit of pain, hope you can get into the Paed ASAP.

I have started putting Oliver into his cot for his daytime sleeps as he only has about an inch of space left at the bottom of his bassinette, I will probably to a complete 'transfer' on Monday or Tuesday. Has anyone else had to move bubs into cot yet?

Anyway, better go, time for Ollie's sneaky feed, then i'm off to bed.

SG - thanks! I would just tell people that he's one of the fairy children and is perfect just the way he is!

I discovered today that Liam is beginning to conciously direct his hands. I put a toy near him today during play time and he kept swiping at it with his hand. I moved it and he moved his motions to follow where it went! I also noticed that when he's tired and before I've wrapped him, he's beginning to play with his hair! How cute! :)

hi Sharon,
BJ went into his cot, in his own room from day one, which is good cause (although he would still fit in a bassinette!) it would be awful adding a bed transfer to the mix with things the way they are!
We have put BJ on formula as a test for 3 days in case my milk is mucking him up...will be a waste if it is my milk, I have about 7 litres of EBM in the freezer!!!

Caleb too has been in his cot from day 1. It was DH idea and i was reluctant, but happy he organized it. One of the main reasons i was resistant was his cot was full of so many stuffed toys and his pretty (but useless) cot set i didn't know what to do with it all.

DH and I decided together (years ago) that when we have kids we would have them in their own room and own bed.
DH is a very light sleeper and since he has to go to work each day, DS is in a room down the other end of the house, next to the spare room (which is where I go and sit for 5 minutes at a time between calming BJ down!)
Cant wait to see the paed, role on tuesday so I can book in!

A friend looked after our two for 2 hours so we could have anniversary dinner last night and Greer slept from 8.30ish to 2.20am - although I didn't get the 6 hours sleep it was great to know that she slept for 6 hours and then she woke at just before 6am.
I'm getting ready to make the cot transition shortly, more so that Greer learns that is where she sleeps as opposed to daytime bassinet night time in the double bed with me in the nursery - laziness is the main reason for not having done it sooner. By having her in bed with me feeding interuptions are quicker and less need for me to fully wake.
She has just awoken so got to go.

Hey Everyone! Been a few days since I came in. Well Ava-Jayde has a middle ear infection at the moment which sucks cause she's so sad and sooky absolutely breaks my heart. Thursday afternoon I knew something was wrong with her she was so clingy and just wouldn't sleep even after having both boobs and 2 bottles she just cried and cried. So I take her to the doctor and the receptionist behind the counter who was no older than 17 tells me there's nothing wrong with her and to just take her home and give her panadol. I tell her that her temperature is up a little bit more than it usually is and that there is definately something wrong with her. SO she rolls her eyes at me and says "fine i'll get the nurse to check her". So then the nurse comes along, takes her temperature and says "oh it's only 37.3 she's happy just take her home, she'll be fine" it took me ages to CONVINCE them to let me see a doctor!! Then I finally get in to see the doctor and what do you know mum was right, she has a middle ear infection! Idiots.. Then the doctor is so completely rude to dp saying "give the child to her mother SHE knows how to hold her" bah! anyhoo that's my rant

BabyWrangler Oliver has been in his own room since we came home, just not in his cot, I knew he wouldn't spend much time in his bassinette, but just feel that when they first come home it is less of a shock if they are in a nice small space for sleeping. It would be a damn shame if it was your milk that was mucking BJ around, hope you can get into the Paediatrician nice and quickly. Has he been tested to see if he has a UTI?
alittlegrubi I think when you first come home the easy options are always the best options.
kirsty_lee a mother always knows best. I can't believe that you had a problem getting in to see Dr, I mean, isn't it YOUR choice/decision to do so, and I think it is none of the receptionists business as to what you want to see the Dr for either, as for the Dr, all I can say is "RUDE"

Had a nice day today up at the FIL (1.5 hour drive) Oliver behaved himself superbly all day. I am off to see 'Sex and the City' tomorrow, and i'm excited.

Hi Sharon
nah he hasn't been tested for much at this stage...though I did take a pooey nappy to the Dr on friday as it was (excuse the TMI) the consistancy of snot...it was very mucousy...
Dr took a sample and sent it off, but can't get the results til tuesday (damned public holiday!).
Hey Sharon does Zantac make Ollie spew? BJ has it 3 times a day, and every single time he has it, that feed, all comes up and we start again....he chucks a little bit with all feed, little bits, but when he has the Zantac..its massive...he'd had about 80ml of formula before (after the zantac) and the projectile that came up would have been at least 70ml of it (and it really upset him, whereas normal spews just kinda dribble out!).

Kirsty_lee I would be on the look out for a new DR!

Mine is great, and lovely also 17 looking receptionsit. They have fit me in twice when i have needed to see urgently, once for mastitis, and last week when he had a cold...just before they closed on a saturday morning!! and my dr usually takes about 1week to get an appointment as he is so good! and even though they squished us in DH was very impressed at how thourgh he was, not rushing at all

BabyWrangler that poohey nappie that you took to dr's the other day sounds like it could be lactose intollerance (maybe). As for the spewing after Zantac, no and he is now on 1ml 3 times a day as well, Oliver's reflux was more of the silent reflux, where he only brings up small amounts and then it goes back down, and he was doing a lot of gulping/gasping for air when this happened. Projectile vomiting can be stressful for little babies (and mums and dads too) really hope that you can get some answers tomorrow.
Taurusa it's great when you find a good GP I have been seeing mine for over 20 years and he is now starting to go into semi-retirement which is a real PITA because now I have to find another great GP which is really hard these days.

Off to have my shower and start getting ready for my afternoon out, i'm excited, but don't want to leave my Ollie, even though he's with DH, it's the fact that i'm not there for him.

Have a great public holiday for all those lucky to have one.

Aaahh ok...Im here with more than 2 minutes to spare!
Whilst he's still not right, he's much improved.
We have switched BJ over to formula, and dropped his Zantac to 0.5ml (instead of 1ml) 3 times a day.
He is settling alot faster (and usually by himself with needing to be held or patted), sleeping much better (2X4 hour stints last night...I don't know myself this morning!).
He is still a little grunty and thrashy...and will definately be still paedying this week for sure, but he's much improved...chances are it was the drop in Zantac, but we are likely going to stick to formula now as we don't really want to put him through the pain of going backwards if we go back to breastfeeding and it turns out that was the problem NOT the Zantac.
Now that all made sense in my head, just not sure if it will to you guys, if not, sorry...its been a LONG weekend.

Right, personals (Im sorry for the delay!)
Kirsty_lee: I HATE people that think they know our kids better than us, the Dr I first went to about BJ's reflux was the same as the nurse you saw...I will NEVER see him again, he works in the clinic we go to, but I always request anyone but him now! Our clinic is good at squishing people in too...and if I say Im calling for an appointment for BJ they actually say "Do you need to just be fitted in now, or can you wait for the next available appointment" which I think is great, they even did it back when I was preganat and had severe gastro, I rang and said I needed to see someone for first available appt as Im 28 weeks and think I have gastro, they said "come straight down" I walked in the door and they said "Dr Courts patient just finished, go right in" They are great!
Grubi:Im glad you enjoyed your time out....We had a great time for DH's birthday last week when my boss babysat, even though I wished I could be in 2 places at once!
Sharon:I agree about the nice enclosed space, but in the end, BJ was wrapped (as I think Ollie is?) and then with the anti roll pillow, and the bed being short sheeted (I HATE putting them all the way down the end of the cot!) he was pretty enclosed anyway.
How much formula does Ollie take in each feed, and how far apart? Just trying to see what Bj's doing in comparison!
Nettie: LOVE the pic of Liam in your sig!
ShoegalDon't stress too much about the percentages (but it's kinda nice to know where they fit!), BJ is in the bottom 3 a fair bit, occasionally the bottom 25...what can I say, he's a pipsqueak! But the MCHN is always pleased with his progress so I'm happy! Baxter is a little cutie though!

Hi All,
Just a quick update (again).
BJ DID A POO AND DIDN'T SCREAM!
It was a run of the mill pastey formula poo and he just did grunted and did it, it was huge too, filled a nappy, then kept going when I was changing him so we applied a "catcher" and he filled that too!
He then had awake time for about an hour before a 20 minute doze in the car, then played with DH's stepdad for about an hour (smiling and talking!), then had 100ml of formula, burped and went to bed settling himself with only 2 dummy returns.
We have all but officially decided he is now a formula bub...we were using the s26 sachets (which I bought for hospital in case my milk didnt come in), a bit was coming back up though, so I popped out before and bought a tin of the s26 AR for infants with reflux and we'll see how that goes.
We will definately still be going to the Paed asap, but I'm happy the BJ seems to be improved.
Chances are its the reduction in Zantac, but I don't wanna risk anything!

On the bed thing:- Wyatt has been in his bassinette an in our room, I've done the bed thing but we are out of that now DH almost SQUASHED him so not again until his bigger.

However i have been thinking we will have 2 more the old 2 kids rooms over, and then put up cot for Wyatt. He will last at least another 2-3 weeks in his bassinette. Am bit scared as he will share with DS and not sure if he will try to get Wyatt out or if Wyatt will wake him during the night.

WE have to re-paint feature wall. I would like to get proper built-in done fits so I have room to put stuff. They have wardrobe now but would like to get new ones in there. I would also like to decorate the boyz room to make feel more boyish. I already have mobile on the ceiling. Also with pooh bear picture in frames on walls. Any one have any other idea's ???

Well everything fine here. Could do with more sleep and more time to be able to get stuff done. How is everyone else doing???

Cheers
Sarah

I lost my post. Good though, because I'm not in a good place right now. I'm really struggling emotionally with this whole thing. I can't get him to nap anywhere but in teh sling and my back is killing me. I also can't get him to settle when he is really tired and needing to sleep unless he is bounced on teh fitball. Its doing me in. I tried several times to put him in teh cot today and once he puked and was face first in it (he is a bit pukey so it's not safe on his back), and te others simply didn't take.

We cosleep at night which is fine, no complaints about that, he is behaving like a normal bfed baby at night with his frequent feeds. But during the day, I'm not sure whether to wait it out until he is older for the cot thing, or get him into the swing of it before he is too old. Actually, either way, I can't cope with the slinging/bouncing anymore, I actually bounce through most of his naps, just to keep moving. If I stop moving, he wakes. It totally sucks and I'm getting nothing done because my back hurts too much to do stuff while holding him.

So I'm trying to work out how to transition him without damaging him and it's doing my head in. Anyway, just thought I'd check in cos I've been away for a while feeling quite low and desperate.

I've read a little bit, not totally caught up, but I hope you are all doing ok, at least better than me.

Best wishes xx

Fire, there is a thing you can get its a vibration machine that goes under the legs of the cot and shakes it...maybe that would help?!
Try an ebay search, you may be able to get one cheaply

Aah ok, did a quick search, its called a LullaBub and there are about 5 listed on ebay at the moment.
Hope thats helpful.

Thanks BW. I can't find it though, even in a google search. Do you know what they are called?

Fire sounds like your Ci and my Greer and a lot alike. The days are doing my head in too. MCHN said be kind on yourself for the first 3c months - but make sure that you get to the cot between 3-6 months as that is when they make their memories of sleep associations.
No time right now for any more writing be back later.

Looks good BW, I will show DH. We hve a motion junkie, that's for sure.

Grubi, it sucks, eh. At the moment, being kind to me means Ci comes off second best, so we're at an impasse. So far he's in the lead, but I don't know how much longer my body will hold out.

Fire how does he go in a rocker chair? at least that way you can relax a little and just rock the chair (even with your foot!)
I've been very lucky with BJ (sorry guys!), I was determined to make sure he could settle on his own etc, which has gone quite well (except during his hysterical times due to whatever is wrong with him!)

I wish I could have had your determination BW, I'm either lazy or unable to deal with the requirements of getting Greer to settle on her own. Fire I know what you mean about your body and with the c-section I'm finding the constant carrying too much to deal with. I really have no advise for you, especially since i'm doing it all wrong anyway!! LOL!

Havent been keeping up, so much going on on this thread... Lila's been off and on. She had a little bit of a cold and I took her in for 2 mo. immunizations and she's been sick ever since. Kind of going nuts over the sleeping thing. Still doesn't sleep during the day, and when I spoke to a midwife the other day she told me to put her in her cot and let her scream, that she needs to sleep during the morning and the afternoon. Sorry, not doing that. She dozes in the sling, and that lets me get some housework done so ok. Pretty steamed at the GP in general because they sort of ridiculed everything I'm doing, from the cloth nappies to the EBM. Pfft. I hope everyone is getting more sleep than me, just had to poke my head in and say hello and that I'm thinking of you all- we're going through the same things and that thought really keeps me going at 3am.

grubi and fire, how come us c-sec women are the ones who seem to be carrying the babies 24-7?! (well not quite 24-7, but i did a log of our day recently and found i'd carried dd for over 8 hours). it seems so unfair, given the fact that we've recently been sliced through the middle and our backs aren't really up to the job.

fire i sympathise with your feelings of exhaustion, i have them periodically myself. i've also tried to get dd to nap on the bed, but last time it was so spectacularly unsuccessful that i decided to put it on hold for a bit. still, i feel really jealous of those who can use their babies' nap time to do things that i struggle to do with the sling on (clean, play with ds, sit in a chair and put my feet up!!). most days i eat all three meals with the sling on and sometimes i get SO SICK OF IT!

bw glad to hear things are improving.

all right gotta go jiggle this grumpy baby around. stupid cold has made her really unhappy and she's struggling to get to sleep.

Baby wrangler (this is going to sound very strange but) Congrats on the Poo!! Funny how these things make us feel better :)