liz - one of the places i rang about swimming pretty much fobbed me off saying hes too young he doesnt need to, as long as he can have a shower and feel confident with water on his face theres no need to take them, it would only be for the mothers to be social thats it. I felt bit hurt cos i was really looking forward to it, and yes i am doing it to be social too, but for Ash as well as me. but this other place seems nice. Its just to get out and have some fun rather being at home all the time. If im not at home im out shopping and im sure one day he'll not want to do that with me any more..lol