Babies Born February 2007 #6

**Ca Plane Pour Moi** · October 18th, 2007, 09:44 PM

Yay Christie!

Can I just ask the sleeping-through babies' Mummies - did the baby just decide to sleep through or did they sleep for longer and longer first? I'm thinking about just not letting DS feed and making him go back to sleep as of November 1st if he's not sleeping well by then.

Liebs also loves remotes, phones, tissues, loo roll, watches and my handbag. I let him chew on the leather and have given him a toy "remote" that makes noises. As that wasn't cutting it, he also has my old mobile phone as a toy too. He also eats things like carrot sticks and pasta, courgette sticks and jacket potatoes, broccoli florets... for his dinner: he self-feeds so we can all eat together. I love that! But when he's grumpy I give him our food blended or jars of food - he loves them so I'm not going to complain! If he doesn't like his home-cooked blended food then his girlfriend is 2 weeks older than him so I just give the jar to her Mummy to save her cooking a meal.

**Tashie** · October 19th, 2007, 03:24 PM

Ryn - Tobi just decided to sleep for eight hours straight a few months back before he got out of routine. To get him back into routine this time, I stopped feeding him during the night. I downloaded this book off the net and it really helped. The idea is, keep the room dark and quiet. Don't look or talk to them. Just pat them softly on their chests until they stop crying. Don't pat them if they aren't crying. If they start crying again, count to 30 and pat them again. The first night it took me 30 minutes to get Tobi off to sleep, but each time he got better and on the 6th night he slept through for 13hours. Now he sleeps for about 11hours a night. I knew that he wasn't waking up because he was hungry, but every time I picked him up, he smelt the milk and that's what he wanted. I just needed that hint on how to settle him back to sleep and it worked. Makes sense to me now, but when I was sleep deprived, do you think I could have thought of doing it!!!! I also use radio static a lot, especially when he is over tired or doesn't think that he is tired but I know he is. It works a treat. Always sends him off to sleep. Great too for those car trips when your bub's start crying and you have some where to go.

Kel- Tried the cruskits, Tobi had a good old suck. I think they will be a hit.

Tobi has really been stressing me out this week. It has now been three weeks since he decided that he wont eat solids and now he doesn't seem too fussed on boobie either. He is starting to lose weight and his nappies aren't as full as they usually are. Poos are runny. He's very grumpy. He has no teeth coming through. And he had a temperature on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, but all good now. The doctors just tell me that he looks happy, which he does, but I keep thinking that he is trying to tell me something. We are going to do a urine sample just to be sure. Though I have decided to stop trying to push the solids and go back to just boobie for a week and then try again from the start. It is so confusing and it makes you so tired having a sookie baby.
On a good note though, we went to Gymbaroo yesterday and Tobi loved it. He loved seeing all the other babies and playing with Mum. I didn't realise how expensive it was though. Its a good thing Tobi enjoys playing with the other babies, otherwise I could do the dances etc. at home with him. We have finally found a playgroup just for babies at our local library. They do rhymes, songs and fingerplays!!! So I am looking forward to that, plus its free.

Anyway, Munchkin is asleep so I might have some quiet time myself, I am exhausted.
Hope you all have a great weekend.
Take Care
Tash

**Ca Plane Pour Moi** · October 19th, 2007, 05:15 PM

Is it the Pantley book? Doesn't work. It's pants. I can only pat DS to sleep if he's very sleepy and he's on his tummy - patting the chest doesn't work, only the back and bum (I need both hands going). I also need to pat for at least a minute. If I even tried to count to 30 he would be in distress meltdown so I couldn't pat back to sleep. If he's not tired enough I have to pick him up and rock him to sleep. We have a great sleepy CD I use for DS: sends me off like a treat too!

I did get him back down twice last night without feeding, but that was in my arms. Only 2 feeds overnight! Have to keep that going for a bit.

ETA: I keep forgetting to brag! On Wednesday lunchtime DS said "Mum mum mum". I am so proud! He can say Dad and Mum now, although he prefers to say Dad still.

**smylie** · October 19th, 2007, 07:25 PM

hi hi
jemima said mum last week too!!! she doesnt do dad dadadada dad very much but she says bab abababa baba and also screams like a horny cowgirl!

she has really gone off her food kinda..... i dont get it..... i think she is fussy pants like her daddy..... she laps up farex but not any other cereals for brekky, is picky with fruit kinda but loves yogurt, pity i cant feed her yogurt every meal..... could have to do with teething as she is freaking out about what is going on in her mouth the 3 new teeth are all coming down fast but at different rates of fast, she keeps doing weird things with her tounge it is so cute......

this sleeping thing.... ryn...... when jemima did the sleeping through thing months ago she dropped feeds all of a sudden and every so often when she sleeps through NOW it is a draggingit out thing... so both ways work. at the moment (last night and night before) jemima is waking at 8.30pm or 9pm for a feed then 10.30 - 11pm for a play!!! NOT COOL so last night we didnt feed her at 11pm and tried to get her to sleep (we probably let her wake up too much) then eventually let her "cry" for maybe 30mins not even and she got herself to sleep, i could tell the difference between the "i am starving feed me" cry and "where are my slaves i'd like a midnight snack" cry we were SO close to caving in but that last time when benji was at the door ready to go in she went to sleep!!!

good luck with pubert, it will be hard for you coz he is so used to waking up! i dont really find the patting to sleep thing works with jemima, it just reminds her i am there and makes her wonder why she should go to sleep without me cuddling her....

i got a new friend one of the mums from swimming and her baby harrison is having 1st birthday next week AND she is 4 weeks away from having a baby girl.... which she is probably naming JEMIMA how weird is that!!!

cruskits rock.... gives me another 10 mins if I need to distract the girl she feels so big and important nibbling away, and the arrowroots are working now that she can nibble too, and banana but that too messy

is anyone else feeding baby porridge for brekky???

**smylie** · October 19th, 2007, 08:59 PM

ps - someone was saying about feeling 'guilty' or whateva about can food in the trolley! that so funny and so weird!!! i feel kinda the same but it is so much easier and the girl seems to love some of the weird chicken noodle or lamb and vege stuff the stuff that looks like condensed soup and the apples and pears are SO much easier than making at home i have heard that you dont get a lot of pear puree from a kilo of pears and i can get baby can pear for 68cents from aldi!!! the aldi food is heinz but called baby love i think and it looks the same but doesnt say heinz, and the apple has only vitamin c added to it no sugar or anything.
egg custard is a winner for dessert also from a can and the pasta bologanaise made by the "only organic" company is my 'backup' i know she will eat it no matter what and it has veges and pasta in it so that is probably the best thing she eats! garden vege soup is also a winner that is by heinz but in a bigger tin so doesnt look like baby food heehehe
this guy laughed at me in the grocery store the other day coz i was having a full on 'discussion' with jemima about what was in the different tins, one was banana custard with choc one was fruit saladd and she ended up with the steak and vege can in her hands to play with for the rest of the shopping trip, she chose it but we havent eaten it yet as benji doesnt want her having steak like that, he wants her to wait andhave the real deal on her plate like a big girl... i guess she is getting enough teeth that that could work......

i got jem weighed on her 8 month birthday and she is 8.2kg!!! which means she is in the middle between the 50th line and the 75th line for weight so i reckon she will be back on the 75th line for her 9 month birthday maybe?? just gotta get more food into her, have almost introduced an afternoon tea time with as much food as dinner time but not sure yet..... only coz she doesnt eat thatmuch for 'lunch'

**smylie** · October 19th, 2007, 09:05 PM

pps - tash i hope you find something to help with tobi!!! keep going to different doctors..... i had to go to 3 before i got the correct diagnoses for jemima's virus a couple of weeks ago.... which is not cool coz the virus was highly contagious and i had been lots of places with babies so felt awful but no other kids got it or they didnt tell me!

**Tashie** · October 20th, 2007, 09:20 AM

Kel - Thanks, that makes me feel a lot better. They say you should follow your gut instincts and mine is saying that something is up. He is trying to tell me something, I just don't know what. We gave Tobi some steak the other night to chew on. We were having steak strips, so it was easy just to cook up and give he his own. He loved it. A friend's doctor said that it is the best was to get their iron...by sucking out the meat juices. I weighed Tobi the other day. He is 8.4kg. What was Jemima when she was born? Tobi was 3.695kg.
Ryn - The book I was talking about is Lora Jensen's 3 day Sleep Training. I am sorry to hear the patting thing doesn't work for you guys. I really hope you find something soon. Have you thought about going to one of those Day Centres where they watch your routine etc. Tobi and I went to one a few weeks back and I found it really helpful.
Us - I didn't offer any solids to Tobi yesterday and he was fine and slept through still. I think I will only give him three days and then try the solids again. Maybe I gave him food poisoning or something?? Babies are so confusing.
Hope everyone has a great weekend.
Take Care
Tash

**Lisa** · October 20th, 2007, 10:51 AM

Tash... Harrison went of his food a while back... and my ECHN told me to keep offering it to him, a big part of eating is in the offering... so we continued to offer him foods, and when we knew he wasn't interested, we'd take them away... he slowly started to have some little bits again, now, he eats anything and everything.

Harrison eats the Heinz Gel's as his treats. We're like you Kel, we show them to him and let him chose which one he wants lol. He usually has 1/2 a jar after lunch, and 1/2 after dinner... I make all his other foods... I just find it easy because we eat vegies all the time, and we have meat, chicken, fish etc also... If I know I am going to be adding loads of garlic or too much spices, I take Harry's foods out first. I then blend it slightly with my magic bullet thingy, and he loves it... he doesn't like totally mashed up foods... he gags if it is too mashed... so it needs to have lumpy bits in it!! lol

**Lisa** · October 20th, 2007, 06:31 PM

Ohhh.... I have an update!!!
Today, Harrison started to stand unaided!!! Wow!!! He looks way too little... he has done it a few times today. I will try to capture him doing it either on video or just a pic asap!!! His aunts and uncles and grandparents are going to be thrilled to bits

**smylie** · October 20th, 2007, 06:54 PM

how cool, harrison is going to be walking in no time! i have heard the babies with older siblings do move earlier, mainly to keep up!

tash - jemima was 3795grams when born and 57cm, the reason i guess i get 'worried' about her weight is because she is still so so tall i have not got her measured this month but she was about 72cmish last month. never be afraid to get a second opinion, you would hate yourself if you did nothing when there could have been something you could easily do to make your little boy happier.

**Lisa** · October 20th, 2007, 07:13 PM

Lol Kel... I am quite happy to have Harrison stay a non walker for a while... he gets away too fast now, god help me when he is walking!!
Jamie started to walk at 9 months, so I kinda thought Harrison might start around that time too... Madeleine didn't start to walk until 1 week before her 1st birthday. As I said, I am in no rush to have Harrison walking just yet!!! lol
Ohhh... my sister Nicole started to walk at 6 months... I remember my Pop telling my Mum not to let her walk because she would have problems with her legs... but she was fine, its not like Mum could stop her anyway!! lol

**~Jayne~** · October 21st, 2007, 03:31 PM

LISA _ Geepers, walking at 6 months is totally insane! Your sister is obviously a genuis! That's amazing. I bet you're parents were thrilled to have her so 'forward'. WTG Harrison on standing un-aided, that's a BIG achievement!

SMYLIE _ Is Jemima all over her virus now? I was nodding my head in agreement about taking her to 3 doctor's before somebody told you she had a virus. Claudia has double ear infections AGAIN! This is her 7th ear infection, plus she has bronchitis & also conjunctivitis. DH is in China & Jessica is also unwell. I'd taken her to the doctor's 3 times in 3 days & the last time I sat down & just burst into tears. I've never cried so much in my life. I've been up all freaking night with the both kids sick for the last 5 nights. Finally they are sending us off to an ear nose & throat specialist to get her ears sorted. DH has had 13 operations on his ears & one of which they removed the total ear from his head, reconstructed the inner ear & re-attached. I just can't believe it took this long for them to realise that Claudia is going the same way that her Daddy did! GRRRR. My mum came & stayed for 2 nights to help me with the girls, which was good & bad. Claudia cried all night with her sore ears saying 'oh dad-dad, my dad-dad' which really annoyed me because Alan has NEVER got up to her in the night & he isn't even HERE! I've got some ear drops & cotton wool in her ears, antibiotics & nurofen every 6 hours & have to sleep her up on a pillow so that her head is higher to help her ears & also the bronchitis.

TASHIE _ I haven't heard of that sleep book, but I got one with Jessica by a Dana Obleman off the net, which sounds very similar. I have to stop the night feeds with Claudia too, but with her being so ill, today is the first time she's eaten since Tuesday & she is absolutley starving, but won't eat anything so I'm having ot feed her during the night. My boobs are like they were when she was newborn - totally bulging!!! It's insane. I've had to start wearing breast pads again! At least I know she isn't getting dehydrated. They were putting her into hospital but didn't because she was so well hydrated. Thank god, I have no idea what I would have done with Jessica. I have to admit, the patting to sleep doesn't work with Claudia. Unless I feed her to sleep, she grizzles going to sleep no matter what I do & I find she only grizzles for 3 minutes to the dot when I put her into her cot but she can scream over my shoulder or in my arms until she's asleep. So usually once she starts getting fussy I put her into her cot & she grizzles until she is comfy & then goes off to sleep. I'm finding since she's been sick she has stopped the 30 minute cat naps too. She's sleeping at least an hour at a time which is beautiful. I'll have to google that book though for when Claudia is better so I can stop her feeding overnight, she doesn't need it once she is well.

CHRISTIE _ Do you want to swap babies for a while so I can get some sleep? LMAO.

ME/US _ Well we are having a really crappy time of it. Both kids are sick, Alan's in China, I've got really sore sinuses, but such is life isn't it? We are slowly getting there. Claudia has eaten somethign today which makes me happy. I"m up all night feeding her because she's hungry, my boobs are almost exploding. It's insane. At least I know my milk is still good! The antitbiotics are making a diff with her & Jessica' eyes are slowly clearing up. Hopefully tomorrow we are well enough to go to playgroup. I'm going insane being home all the time!

Love Jayne

mummycate · October 21st, 2007, 03:46 PM

Jayne :hugs: you poor thing! Is there some way you could stay at Tresillian or Karitane for a few days to get some rest? They could probably help you settle a sick baby.

Way to go Harrison!!! That's awesome! El has just started pulling herself up from Sunday. Crawling properly too, for 2 weeks now.

El has no reflux anymore, that cleared up with a change of formula and was fully gone when she got over her two colds. She is eating well but doesn't always finish a bottle and/or food but when she's had enough, I stop.

Gotta go xxx

**~Jayne~** · October 21st, 2007, 05:38 PM

MUMMYCATE _ We don't have Karitane here, it's Ngala, & it has been a thought, but I have Jessica as well who is a little bit temperamental with Daddy being gone. I'll work through it. My sister just bought me around some Panamax because my head is aching so bad today that I've been in tears. I sat outside with the kids in the fresh air for an hour which did wonders as well. I've just put Claudy to bed & Jessica is watching Alice in Wonderland & looks as though she's going to drop off too, so I"m going to lay down as well. WTG on the crawling! What a clever chicken! Do you freak about the pulling to stand? we have sunken rooms that Claudia is pulling herself up on & I'm scared she's going to fall & hit her face on the step. That's awesome with El & the reflux going away, that's a load off your mind!

Hope everybody is enjoying their weekend.

Jayne

mummycate · October 21st, 2007, 09:12 PM

OMG sunken rooms arrgh! Scary. We watched her pull herself up and were so proud. We have a lot of low surfaces so pulling up isn't a problem as we'd already proofed it from crawling. I hope that you work things out soon. Maybe you could have someone pop over each day for an hour or so so you could get some time to yourself and go for a walk or lie down.

**Tashie** · October 22nd, 2007, 11:24 AM

Hi girls,
Guess what??? Tobi had some dinner last night. Yay!! So fingers crossed his little starvation diet is over. He has been feeling heaps better too which is a relief. Who knows what he had. Thanks though for all your support and guidance.

Jayne - I feel so bad for complaining about Tobi now, it sounds like you have been having a really bad time with both of your girls sick and being on your own too. How are they both feeling now? How long till your DH gets home? Have you tried putting phone books or similar under the mattress up the head end to help raise the bed. We do that when Tobi has a blocked nose to help drain out all the goo. It has always helped him fell better. I hope the specialist can help and Claudia wont get sick so much. Unfortunately Tresillian etc. wont take your babies if they are sick. They only deal with sleeping and routine problems. I guess they need to think about the other kids there too. Though I am sure there is probably a Nanny or Nurse system out there somewhere that would come and stay with you if you are having problems with a sick baby. I should suss that out for next time my hubby goes away and if Tobi gets really sick. But like you, even when DH is home, I do everything anyway.... I am glad to hear that you have relatives close by at least.

Catherine - I just realised you live at Ryde. I live at North Strathfield, we should catch up sometime.

Lisa - That is fantastic about Harrison. He is such a clever little guy.

Kel - Jemima is tall isn't she. Are you and Benji tall? Tobi was only 50.5cm, but we are both only average height. As someone else said the other day, they need all types of babies to make up the averages, so I wouldn't worry too much about how she fits into the graphs, as long as she is happy, eating and going to the loo, I wouldn't worry too much. And hey, we don't want to have huge babies either. She might be one of these lucky girls that gets to be tall and skinny. I wish I was that lucky.

Us - Tobi started swimming lessons yesterday and loved it. DH came in the water too, so he was showing off for his Daddy. They was only one other baby there and he loved it too, so I am sure that helped. My Mum is coming down for a few days this week, which isn't as good as it sounds. Though I am hoping if DH doesn't end up going away as expected this weekend, that we might be able to go out and leave Grandma to babysit. Its our 3rd wedding anniversary next week, so fingers crossed we get to go out.

Hope you all have a good week.
Take Care
Tash and Tobi

**~Jayne~** · October 22nd, 2007, 07:38 PM

KEL _ WOW Jemima is a very long & lean little bubba isn't she? having 56cm of bubba in your tummy must have been mighty uncomfortable. Jemima seems to be the 'in' name at the moment, maybe you started the trend?? I've heard of a few bubs here in Perth named Jemima recently.

TASHIE _ Claudia ate last night too! YAY for both of us!! LOL & she ate today! Incredible! Thanks for the sleep book, I"m going to read it tonight, lots of it is stuff I had heard of before, it's just trying to have the patience to stand there & pat them at 2am for an hour when you know that putting them on your boob is going to have them back asleep in 30 seconds. I perservered last night for 90 minutes & it didn't work until I picked her up & walked her around the house for a while until she calmed down & then I put her back into bed, gave her a pat & she slept for another 4 hours. She didn't wake until 9am this morning, god that was great! Don't feel bad complaining about Tobi, we all have our hurdles that we have to jump & I just seem to name all of them! LOL.

MUMMYCATE _ It is a proud moment watching your child cross another milestone off their development books, but sad at the same time! Claudia is into pulling herself up on Jessica so she can pull her hair. I find it funny, Jessica doesn't.

ME _ Well finally we were all well enough to venture out today. My goodness it was bliss. We went to playgroup, came home for some lunch & the girls had a sleep & then we went over to my sisters for a play. It was great. My DH is coming home on Friday now, instead of mid-November so I'm pumping Jessica up for the excitement of going to the airport & getting Daddy off the plane. I'm going to make a day of it & take the girls up there earlier so we can have lunch & Mummy can check out the duty free. LOL.

Love Jayne