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    Hi Neeny: Just responding to your comment about not looking forward to the sex talk with your daughter... if you answer her questions from the start... probably as early as 3yo... just with simple age-appropriate answers... then you won't need to have a "sex talk". There are lots of good books about age appropriate answers to inevitable questions like "why do boys have a pen!s". So good communication starts immediately. I think that notion of sitting a 12 yo down and telling them about the birds and the bees is a bit old fashioned now and if you leave it that long then you have to be prepared for them to find out from other sources ie their friends. We had children in our 3yo group at the ELC where I worked talking frankly and openly about gender differences in the playground... that needs to be your cue. You can usually safely leave some details to her school Growth and Development program but don't let the the school do all the work... she'll then wonder why you didn't say anything and it might erode trust. Just a suggestion mind you. I'm pretty proud of how I've helped Verity through the whole issue despite having a bit of baggage from my own upbringing. It's great to know that you've healed wounds of the past and created a better experience for the next generation because it can be so easy to repeat the mistakes of our parents.



    I'm just dropping in briefly... very tired after a busy few days... back tomorrow.... hope everyone have lovely peaceful and cool Sundays

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    well Hi again

    DFO was no biggie but got some clothes for Aleise. A cute white embriodered dress, undies and matching hat, a pair of denim shorts and a top for winter all $32!! Bargain!

    Bath: Thanks for your input. It's true kids find out before the parents talk at about 10-12 years. OUr primary school had a maternity nurse come in at the end of Grade 7 and we all knew about the birds and bees! I'm more worried about her loosing her "flower" before finishing school. Ideally I would like her to wait for marriage (how I was brought up) but that would be hypocritical since I didn't! HOwever too many kids starting to experiement at young ages - like 14 and so forth! Anyway its a long way off and I'm sure daddy won't let her go out with boys until she's 30 (or so he says).

    Simone: Glad you've got a goal in mind. Hope you get in darls. Intel can be quite interesting. I've been doing Police intel work for nearly 3 years (admin level) and it can be an eye opener.

    Gotta go Aleise crying in her cot again - she hates being left by herself.

    See ya later ladies.

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    Neeny - well done for the bargains!! i love PP, bought anneliese a pop up clothes basket for $20 when rory and i went the other week. Bright pink, with "Princess" scrawled across it and a crown around the top And XH always goes into DJ's in the city and buys her stuff from the PP store in there. we have a PP in our DFO, but the only good bargains i ever get from there is their headbands for $2/$3.

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    Hi girls - What an eventful and dramatic party day today. It started Saturday:

    My friend so graciously offered to come help cook party food. We got it all done including the fantastic number "4" cake. Will post pics later. After all the cooking and making and icing the cake it was 1am. My friend left and the kitchen looked like a bomb had gone off so I cleaned everything and fell into bed at 3.30am!!! Sunday I get up and weather is weird, sunny, then rain, then wind! Our little gazebo we put up kept blowing over. Kids arrive, we play lots of fun games, it rains, then stops, kids keep running out to play then back in when it rains, but they are having fun. The drama starts about 4.30pm when DH gets Marley up to feed her.

    I am outside playing, when my GF comes and says Marley is getting really red and itchy. I come inside and take one look at her and freak out. She is scarlet red all over her body with big white dots and she has it all over and her face is starting to turn red. My other GF is a nurse and I got her to look at her and she said to call an ambulance as it looked like an allergic reaction! I call an ambulance, they ask me so many questions - I can't think straight to answer them properly. My GF who is the nurse gets on the phone to talk with a paramedic and thankfully convinces him to send an ambulance. He was suggesting to just drive to the local hospital. Ambulance comes, I have to leave the party and leave DH with all the guests. My SIL comes with me in the ambulance and off we go to Maroondah hospital. All this time, Marley is still smiling and is very calm. The ambulance had 2 women who were absolutely lovely. One checked her over and found no wheezing or problems with her breathing which was a terrific sign. We got to hospital and go straight to paediatrics. We were seen immediately by a fantastic paed Rachel (young Irish lady), who went over her vitals again. By this stage her rash had gone down and was now just blotches rather than covering her whole body. We stay for about 2 hours, they gave her some steroids to settle the rash and stop the itch as anti hystamines aren't recommended for children under 2. We have to wait 1 hour to see if they work. Finally they start working but this whole time my beautiful little girl is still smiling at everyone. We had so many nurses and volunteer staff coming in saying they wanted to see the cute little baby everyone was talking about!!! Finally paed comes back and says we can go. DH comes to pick us up and home we go. My wonderful GF's had cleaned up the house, organised the cutting of the cake, finished the games etc! It was so nice to get home and the house wasn't a disaster. By this stage is was 8.30pm and everyone had gone home.

    The cause of her reaction - DH bought the wrong tin of formula!!! She is on a pro-biotic formula called Nan HA Gold2 which has a gold lid. DH accidentally picked up the Nan Gold 2 (no HA) with a silver lid. I didn't even notice until after she had drunk it and saw it on the bench. The paed said all signs point directly at the formula as the reaction started immediately after she drank it. Poor DH was beside himself with guilt and felt terrible. We had to give her the regular formula, but very slowly to make sure she didn't again. Everything was fine, thankfully. The steroids made her very tired and she didn't have her regular afternoon sleep. She is safely tucked away in bed and I have checked on her every 10 minutes so don't know how well I will sleep tonight even though I am exhausted after my very late night last night. As for my birthday girl, she had a great party and didn't really notice us missing!!! My GF took heaps of photos of her cutting the cake and doing the pinata.

    I am so relieved that Marley is OK and we are still going to see the paed skin specialist ASAP! I am also grateful to have such wonderful, caring friends who took over and helped finish the party.

    Sorry but haven't done any personals (bit slack of me, I know!) and I am really looking forward to falling into bed. Night girls.

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    Mel - What a fright, so glad Marley is okay, Don't apologise for not doing personals, after your eventful weekend that's the last thing you should be doing, get some sleep!
    Jess - wouldn't it be great if the house was available, good luck.
    Sim- glad you still have a comp.
    Can't spend too long on comp, it is boiling here, no fan in this room. After a 40 degree day the change never came and house is so hot still. Am taking Nathan to dr tomorrow as he is very wheezy, he seems okay otherwise tho, maybe a bit more clingy if anything.
    Hi to all hope everyone had a good weekend.

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    Mel - i agree with Karen - dont stress about personals!! OMG i would've freaked out too, but at least it was nothing too serious in the end. Cant wait to see pics!!

    Karen gosh, Sydney weather sounds AWFUL!! Our cool change finally came, im praying for it to had your way as well..

    Off to take the kids to daycare,and going to do something with my day.. dont know what yet LOL. THINKING about decluttering my garage... but a very BIG all day task...

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    oh Mel.... Poor Marley, although she sounds like a trooper, what an eventfull day, I am glad your little munchkin is ok now, did you manage to get any sleep last night? Poor dh too he must have felt horrible.
    Sorry your day didnt go according to plan, I am sure Chelsea had a great day all the same and your friends are lovely for taking lots of picks and cleaning up.

    whoo hoo look at my new ticker! Thanks Bath and thanks Kathryn for uploading!
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    Mel, I was wondering where you had got to! That explains it, you were ambulance chasing LOL! What a great kid Marley is - she must have been lapping up the attention, and withouth a mirror, wondered what the fuss was all about. I agree, what a great bunch of friends, too, who can hold the fort like that. I reckon my friends would do that, but I wonder how many people can say the same thing? What a day, anyway!
    We haven't got the results yet of Oscar's sample, but I expect we'll hear from the doctor soon. I called earlier and the results hadn't come back from pathology yet, so more waiting.
    I'm a bad mummy - I forgot completely that I was supposed to book in the farrier for my horse's feet. I can't ride him with his feet the way they are and with Oscar being such a velcro baby all weekend, I just plain forgot to organise a farrier for my other favourite boy (I have 4!). What will it be like when I have more kids??
    Bath - where is it that I can obtain those age-appropriate suggestions for answering kids' questions about sex? I have been aware for some time that these things need to be addressed well in advance of puberty and wanted some constructive ways to deal with it. There is no way I'm passing on my mum's (and even my dad's) hang ups about sex onto my kids. She tried to with me, making me feel deviant for being a bit interested in the human body when I was about 9 or so (like, what kid isn't, especially when they have just seen their own first underarm hair!!), because she had some terrible experiences that no child should have and thought that if I just steered clear of anything to do with sex that I'd be fine. Well, that was crap and somehow I ended up with a healthy view of sexuality. After all, it IS how everyone got here, so why do we pretend it's something that is only relevant to adults? It's the crux of our lives, if you think about it! My niece and nephew are only 8 and 11 and they have been normalised to sex for years. They know what it's for and who does it. They also know that there is a stage when they will be ready for it and it's not now. They will never be afraid to ask about it when their time comes, so their parents will be able to guide them without using euphemisms or sending them to a teacher or other person to do what is a parent's job. I think it's great and that's what I want for my kids. Yes, it's weird to think of these little babies one day being intimate with someone you don't know yet, but it's the life cycle. The less hang ups I send Oscar out into the world with, the better the world will be! One thing you can never teach them is what sex will mean for them when they get there - so as much as you are taking away the mystery (and with mystery, the misconceptions, half-truths and myths), you can't take away how special it will be for them I remember going in to my mum and saying that she doesn't need to worry, the school taught us about sex. She replied 'oh, that's good', and it took her a while to approach me again to ask me just what it was that we learned. Then I was too embarrassed to tell her, so I just told her in very vague terms and had no questions to ask of her because she was clearly uncomfortable. I come from a family where my dad made me return to the library "Every Girl" because by explaining contraception it was condoning sex for girls, and I wasn't to read about it because I wouldn't need it!! Repressed Irish Catholic. Out of sight, out of mind! Ha! I was so angry about it because no-one was giving me proper explanations about things I felt I needed to know about, so I would read the book in the library instead of taking it home. Even I knew it was not a good move for them to think that because they wanted me to wait till marriage I didn't need all these other things explained to me. And, yes, because of that mistaken approach, I did some really silly things, for not having proper guidance to begin with. History will not be repeated in this household! Anyway, thanks, Bath, for bringing this up, starting with telling us about Verity - it really is something I had thought about and wondered what was the best way and best time to start. Waiting for their cues is so OBVIOUS...why didn't I think of that?? LOL! Are you just the Mother Bear of this thread, or what?
    Dinner at my dad's last night was lovely...and I made my first pancakes! I didn't get to make them for lunch (had interruptions), so I took my mixture over and we had pancakes for dessert. It wasn't bad, but there is room for improvement.
    (I kid you not, about 50 c0ckies have just squawked past my place just now, it's a wonder Oscar didn't wake - they should be classified feral so that we can sling-shot them out of the sky! The tourist trade up around here keeps them in unnatural numbers...)
    OK, back to this household for the day - nappy folding (ahhh, I so bliss out doing that!), floor mopping (huge muddy dog paws to be removed), back room tidying (mammoth job, like Simone's garage, I imagine!).
    Catch you all later!

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    Hi again.

    Mel.. sorry to hear about Marley's reaction but no one was to know she was allergic to that formula! MY SIL has given us a tin of Nestle Gold 1 (from birth) that she'd opened a while ago and it's half empty. She BF's and bought it for emergencies. It clearly says on the tin "use within 4 weeks of opening" so I'm afraid it would do some harm if I use it. Am tempted to give it to the dog!

    Its going to be a hot one again today. 32 I think. Will try and do some sewing after I make a trip to the post office. Not much else to say.

    Aleise fretting by herself again *sigh* not a moment's peace!

    Later all!

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    Ohh Bath: Thanks for the avatar update (if you did it).. Just noticed thanks!

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    Janine - When the kids were bf, i used to have a tin of formula in the cupboard for emergencies, and let me tellyou, it was never used within 4w!! I think Decans tin i had for 6 months... and it did him no harm. I think they say that so you will throw it out and buy more tins from them :rollyes: I wouldnt be too worried, honestly. Love the new av

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    I'd probably err on the side of caution with that formula tin, Neeny and Sim. Formula is inherently subject to bacterial colonisation, by the nature of the processes used to make it and its ingredients. It might be ok for one child, but that's no guarantee that it will be ok for another to take 'out of date'. Hence the rigorous sterilising that is required when using formula, for the Just In Case scenario. That's not my opinion, that's anything I've ever read about formula in baby books and on the web
    You can get small sachets of formula for emergencies when BF'ing - not too cheap, but cheaper than buying a tin and discarding most of it because you have gone over the Use By date. One of the mummies in my Mothers Group orders hers online to get a slightly better deal, and she's the one who told me about it.
    I've just noticed some red spots on Oscar, going to look up this Rosie Posie thing that some of your kiddies have had (wonder what Google would come up with if I typed that in!)...

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    Neeny and Nic loving the new av's, can't wait to join and get mine up there it looks trick, I'm so happy with it.

    Mel how scary for you and poor DH, I'm glad that Marley's alright and that Chelsea enjoyed her party, what great friends you have as well.

    Well for the last week or so I've been having problems with Wyatt, he's been going to bed alright and about an hour or two later he is up and crying/whinging and he will not resettle. So he is up until about midnight doing this and when he finally goes to sleep, I have to get up again at about 4:30-5am for Cody's feed, so I feel knackered everyday and I still have no idea what's wrong. I just don't know what to do anymore, I feel like I'm at my wits ends with him, I frustrated and tired and confused and now I'm venting when that's not what I intended doing. I'm going to go hang out some clothes, will be back soon.

    hugs xoxo

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    Amanda - Declan has been doing the same thing lately, and since i've been having probs getting to sleep, he generally wakes up just as im dozing off, takes ages to settle down, and then wakes the others up (he shares a room with Xander). All i've been doing is taking xander out and lettin him scream himself to sleep. He doesnt know what he wants at that hour!! he eventually goes back to sleep within about 5-10 mins.

    IK - I've never "vigourously" steralised my kids bottles, a society being overzealous with these things is whats causing the surge in allegies and their severity. I boil my bottles, but i do not use the milton or anything similar, and i use filtered water (through a jug) but i dont boil the water. And i have 3 perfectly healthy children (Xander asthma is hereditory!) I was told what to do by a nurse, and its worked for us...

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    Amanda - Poor Wyatt, poor you! Have you taken him to the doctor? Is that a stupid question? Sorry, just know that I'm thinking of you
    Looked up Roseola, not that I needed to, I should have just searched for Bath's posts on this, cos it read the same as Bath's descriptions, and seems to be what is up with Oscar. He has also got a slightly white coated tongue, so he might even have thrush as well. His groin area is red and blotchy, so I'm inclined to think that there is a bit of thrush thrown in as well. Oooh, doc on phone now! BBL
    ETA: She agrees, the tail end of rosie posie and maybe a touch of thrush We're at the other end, yay!
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    Sim, I'm not one for having Oscar in a sterilised environment, either, as anyone would be able to see just walking into my house (or seeing me let him let loose in the garden or the lawn with leaves)! The formula is a different story, though. I don't sterilise my bottles when they have EBM in them because hot, soapy water will clean that up no worries. Formula is subject to spores and it's something you are putting into the baby's stomach, so, yes, you are taking a risk there. It's great that your kids never got anything, but I wouldn't recommend anyone stop sterilising if they are using formula, or to let the Use By date slip too much on a tin of formula, but Neeny's already indicated she won't anyway, so that's sorted
    Anyway, off to the chemist now. Geez, I'm loving this weather - I love how Melbourne weather gives us a break before launching into hot weather again!

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    Demanding kids here... but an eye-of-the-storm ATM.

    Neeny: Kathryn did your Avatar... can't claim the praise for that one!

    Nickers: Yay! Good to see my handy work up with your avatar! As you can see, I like to do an entire "make over" when I do avatars... I like them to look as close as possible to the person I'm a bit proud of that snowboard too, if I can say so myself hehe.

    IK: There is a fantastic and hilarious children's book about Growth and Development that you would love... I just need to write down the exact title and author next time I'm in Borders... I'm going to buy it for Wade soon. When I was working with kids I also knew about a few other references whgich i've since forgotten but I'll chase the tiles/authors up for you too. Maybe next time we meet in Borders i can show them to you for a flick-through. Also I've found that an easy way to get kids used to feeling comfortable about the whole issue is to not be overly modest. Wade still joins me when i'm having a shower with Niall for example. I've read that this is alright to do but ALWAYS keep the doors closed when TTC etc. That's really important. Our children never need to know about their parents doing that and I've read a lot of research saying that it's not wise as little ones think the parents are in pain etc (LOL). It can sound quite frightening. Anyhow too much info for this thread but I don't know about other Junies parents but my mother didn't close the door with her many boyfriends after my parents divorced and it gave me serious hangups indeed. Nowhere is it recommended that we share everything with our children. And I can safely say it seriously damaged my relationship with my mother. I soooo didn't want to know what she was doing! Even to this day I don't like people sharing much information about their initmate lives. Still, this forum is kinda different I guess, I agree that we should be able to discuss anything within reason

    Mel: OH! You must have been beside yourself with worry! But big thumbs up to your DH and your friends I hope Marley is %100 again... and what about her scalp? Looking forward to seeing you both...and maybe Chelsea! Again soon We'll have to organise another Friday meetup in MC. before school goes back.

    gotta go... back a bit later...

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    Bath - the boys still have showers with me (most days it the only way i can have a shower...) Either that or i stic the boys in the bath while i jump in the shower. So they always see me. XH says we should cover ourselves up now, but i want to teach them that bodies are natural things. My dad used to take us to the nudie beach when we were younger my sister and i would've been about 5-8 years old) and we never thought anything of it, what we saw. I never went naked (i was getting to that stage where bits and bumps were starting to make an appearance, and while nudity was fine at home, not out in public!) When i was young, we never were worried about paedophiles or anything like that (this was a pretty friendly place we went to, not a very big crowd, so everyone was mates and strangers or perves were looked down upon) XH on the other hand was like you bath, his mum used to bring home all sorts of different men. It does affect you. And thats why i will not do that to my children (if i evert start dating again LOL!) All right, im finished my rambling, all-over-the-place post now!!

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