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I'll end up being a small floppy B cup after I finish BFing Candy... when I finish feeding I plan to go buy some pretty push up bras! Infact... if I keep losing weight I might even find myself an A cup come to think of it! Oh well... just think, at least when we are really old women we won't have boobies resting on our laps! I seem to be hearing of more women having breast reductions than implants these days...
sniff, it's not like us 'fuller' girls are able to change the way we are, either, so if we have boobies down to our knees as old crumblies it's not cos we made a choice to have bigger boobs now and saggy ones later :( sniff again. I guess we have to tell ourselves whatever makes us feel better! And, honestly, that's what it comes down to - reframing a situation so that we can accept it and live happier :) (I'm not TOO offended, Bath :p !)
Woo hoo, car's ready! The front end won't fall off on my way to Daylesford next weekend, bonus!
Sorry Ik! You're right, my last comment was a bit thoughtless... I'll freely admit I've got issues lingering from my teenage years of fuller friends strutting around proudly and looking down their noses at my pathetic excuse for a bust and yep, you're right, the only thing I could think of to raise my self esteem at the time was to think of them as old women... the last thing I want to do is make my fuller friends feel as bad as I did... soz matey! I gotta get my hands on the book about women and rivalry called "Tripping the Prom Queen"... so I can sort these issues I have out a bit!
ETA: I just Goggled and found a site that has the introduction to that book... here's a bit of it:
Susan Shapiro Barash is a professor of gender studies at Marymount Manhattan College and became fascinated by women's relationship with each other. Can sisters, mothers and best friends be jealous and supportive at the same time? In fact she found that rivalry and envy often pervades female relationships. The women's liberation movement created more options for women, but it also seems to have created more competition, Barash said.
Afternoon ladies,
Well I got Cody weighted this morning and he is now 5335g, so he is going well. Had to battle the wind as Neeny and Jo have mentioned already.
Bedtime Routines we have defineately got them in this house, most nights all 4 boys are in bed by 8pm, then DH and I have sometime to ourselves.
hugs xoxo
Jeepers Creepers, I just half filled a honey jar with milk cos Oscar hadn't fed for 6 hours...and he was wondering why I didn't give him the boob as soon as he woke up! I was wearing him since breakfast and when I'm wearing him I don't notice how full my boobs are getting, and they don't ache anymore when full (I think they're shrinking!), nor do they inflate to super size when he skips a feed or 3! But with him pressing on me, I did have a leak. DP tells me off when I let Oscar sleep for that long but if he doesn't wake up hungry or complaining of a wet nappy, then I let him sleep. I'm sure many a maternal nurse would have words about that, but he's not in any danger of withering away any time soon. He'll be weighed at the end of next week and I'm taking bets that he's going to be about 6 and a half kilos...any wonder my shoulder has been playing up?
Just been listening to the radio (ABC) about the deaths of elderly aboriginal people through neglect of the health department - I'm so sick of hearing these things and crying about things that should not happen in our country! Grrrrrr!!!
I've noticed another change with my BFing: I can feel empty (especially of an evening) and attach Niall then feel the 'let down' which ends up giving him a good feed! I must have forgotten this process from previous feeding with my other two...
Oooooh DH home.... the highlight of my day!
ETA: ...about the BFing again: I mean I feel really empty some nights... no hardness at all... then after a few sucks from Niall I feel the tingle and then hear him gulping rythmically... I just don't recall it being so drastic a change... it's like "where did it come from???"
Bath - It's common to feel emptier as the day progresses, but it doesn't mean you have a diminished supply, so don't stress about it :) This can often lead many women to believe that their supply is diminishing and they start to comp feed - this is the worst thing you can do if you want to continue BFing! This is because every drop the child gets that from somewhere else doesn't get produced by you because of the the demand causing supply. I still get full and hard but that's because I have a ridiculous oversupply issue (which is not the norm, so please don't think this is ideal!) that SHOULD have settled down by now, but has yet to do so. Doesnt' help when Oscar plays around with his feeding patterns! Anyway, back to the point, for the benefit of those of us BFing. When women stress about their perception of diminished supply they can stress so much as to cause interference with milk production and let down. So, comp feeding and stressing about not feeling 'full' at the latter end of the day will affect your supply!
Knowing this, there are days that I don't get hard or feel full and I am actually relieved, thinking I might finally be settling down into normal supply (but the next day changes all that...), because I know that my body is still producing. And I only am confident about this because my "Breastfeeding Naturally" book, published by the ABA reassures me of it, as well as my local counsellors and the ABA's magazine articles.
Bath, you're probably not too worried about it, but you prompted me to write this spiel for others, cos I have recently heard some alarming stories pertaining to some really bad advice administered by maternal health nurses and other professionals who are armed with misinformation. I have a friend who 'had to give up breastfeeding' because she got bad advice and she was heartbroken. I think she might feel it's too late to relactate (as in, she's beyond the heartbreak and can deal with formula feeding now), but she was so happy to know it was possible, but dismayed to realise she was led up the garden path and her plan to (and enjoyment of) breastfeeding thwarted.
Off my soap box now :)
Hey ladies, just stopping in quickly... I arrived safe in perth (just) there was some pretty horrendous tuurbulence coming in over the darling ranges....I actually had to open a barf bag!! But all in all, flying on my onw with 3 children under 3 wasnt too bad... but i had HEAPS of help from the stewardesses (now i remember why i fly QANTAS... Virgin would never give that sort of service!!!)
Love you all, miss being in here all the time already... But will be in as often as my "holiday" will allow...
Hi all! :hello: Turns out Flynn's leg is fine - he must have just got a shock fromt he hot water (phew!)
Simone I agree on the crap service from Virgin - they may be cheap but they are also CRAP when it comes to being helpful!
IK, I got the "Breastfeeding Naturally" book too - it is fanstastic. I have actually passed my copy to a friend who is 3 months pg - I had forgotten that bit about boobs not feeling "full" once your supply settles. I have had a few times when I have worried about supply (when Flynn is having a "non-boob day" and doesn't feel like feeding much, when I had gastro a few weeks ago, etc) but I always push those thoughts from my mind and think about how the species wouldn't have propogated so well if nature didn't allow for such ups and downs. I mean, imagine when caveman got killed by a woolly mammoth and cavewoman got sad - cavebaby had to eat something!
Amanda, I can imagine how much of a relief it must be when they are all in bed, even though you lovem heaps :)
Candy - you sound like you need a bubble bath, a foot scrub and a facial - you need a bit of body lovin' time to feel good. Try it - it is amazing how much more "in to" your body you can feel after a treatment like that.
Bath, what did you mean we need to think about 4yo kinder when they are in 3yo kinder? Do you need to book them in in advance? How far ahead? I would like Flynn to go to the kinder at our local primary school.
Just got back from Borders at Highpoint (for you Melb girls) - we had our book club meeting there at the cafe and picked out 3 books - "Joe Cinque's Consolation", "The Devil Wears Prada", and "Extremely Loud and Incredibly Close" (which is a post 9/11 novel written from a 9yo boy's perspective - looks really interesting - it's a novel but has pictures and poems in it too). Off to try and read Joe Cinque's Consolation in bed while Flynn sleeps in the cot next to me - will the bed lamp wake him up?????
ciao bellas
great article, bath! interesting to look at it from an anthropological perspective... I can understand the schoolyard survival tactics, i got a hard time from girls at school for weird reasons, cos otherwise i had an enviable figure and some smarts. ummm...duh! there's a revelation...that could well be why! 12 years later and now i figure it out??? i did learn at the time, though, that it served no purpose to make myself feel better at someone elses expense, especially if it was on the basis of something physical that you can't really control, like body shape, hair type (well, you know, things that dont have a bearing on ones spirit. so i began to see people as eggs - you're good or you're bad. fortunately, most people i come across are good!
anyway, our babies dont give a stuff what shape our boobies are as long as they got the goods!
need to tend to the boy...
re school years: I lived through some horrendus treatment by other girls a school. I had a brain that functioned well, I could whip them at sport (made me good friends with the attractive boys) and all these things I realise now (thanks to IK) made them probably jealous. but because I was so small upfront I was regularly called nasty things or told I wasn't really a girl etc. I think these kind of things ruin peoples self esteem in the long term because you'll jst start feeling good about yourself and something will happen to remind you of those times.
rory - I'm glad flynns leg is all good :)
Simone I'm glad you arrived safely.
Body Image I think I was on the other end of most, I was not really fat but I was bigger then most of the popular girls, I was good at sport and average at school work. I did get teased by boys especially and this has stuck with me since then. When I turned 18 I lost my baby fat as my mum said and I felt good and sexy for a while, then at 20 I met DP and fell pg 5 mths later and after gaining over 20kg in that pg that I never really lost, I have once again struggled with my self esteem about the way I look. I would love to lose about 10-15kgs but I know this will take time. But it's hard to get those feelings and the sayings from school out of your head.
As for Cody, he had his morning feed this morning at about 8am he had about half then started chucking up phlem (sp!) and was crying, so I hope he's not getting sick.
Housework calling better go and do some before the boy wakes up.
hugs xoxo
I just need to get this out
I feel let down by people lately. My friend Sam is going to Melbourne on Ryans naming day because her OH arranged it without considering they had already accepted something else. I know it’s not Sam’s fault they’re gong to Melbourne but she was my only friend that was going to be there. I don't have many friends (because of the reasons stated above) As I said to Matt the other night when he commented about me being on the PC so much, I said honestly to him, but all my friends are in there!!
My folks aren’t coming down to Canberra to visit soon (this weekend or next) like they said they would. And even though things are crap in my relations with them I feel really disappointed. I used to be able to talk to them on the phone and stuff and get along with them just fine but since having Ryan things have just gone to hell. They are constantly judging everything. For example I told my mum last night that Ryan would be on solids by xmas and I got a lecture on how I was on solids by 4 months and it "hasn't killed you". Also when I mentioned job interviews I got the "you can't put ryan in full-time care" lecture. Yet my sister going back to PT work is fine because it's only PT. (She has no aspirations to send her baby to Private school or to own a house or any of the things that Matt and I feel are important). So yeah.....
Grumble grumble whinge whinge, that's me.:boohoo:
Candy, on some level there are some mothers who will see anything you do that's different with your child as a criticism of what they did with you. its not helpful to anyone for them to be like this, but as long as you can use it do gain an insight into their behaviour it can help you deal with it better. i know you still feel like crap :(
itook the cutest photo of oscar last night wearing his mouse hat...i posted it on the yahoo site...
thanks IK. Your boy is such a spunk :) Mum's rather pretty too ;)
Thanks, Candy :blush:
Bath, where are you? haven't read from you since your email - come back, let me know you're ok and not beating yourself up again!
Boobs - I think I'm shrinking (don't worry, ain't NO perkiness there!), cos I'm in a DD that I bought the other week (and it was a firm fit) and I'm not busting out of it...I think my profile is smaller, too - go Oscar! Suck them off me so I can ride my pony without causing self-injury!
Gonna go soon (to a ... urgh... shopping centre) to get a going away present for friends. Oscar is so uncool today, but really cosy - cute pants with some sort of duck face on the feet (with felt yellow beak) and a yellow knitted jumper, a real country bumpkin look! Oh, well, he's not entering any beauty contests any time soon, although my mum was out shopping one day and I was in white woollens and she entered me on a whim...I came third...which must have irked the mums who had gone all out to get the first two places! But, no, no competitions for Oscar...
LOL (((hugs))) IK... here I am, no not beating myself up... just back from the usual Friday trip into the city (Melbourne Central) ... and last night after DH got home we showered Niall and then I just crashed! Wade hadn't slept all day and I was exhausted... he's sleeping now though! so is Niall...
Rory: LOL at cavebaby! I think about life from that perspective a lot too... it really helps you sort out your priorites and be grateful for what you have instead of wanting more more more material comforts, as if we don't have enough in our 1st world country.... so many precious little babies just like ours are living like cavebabies right now! Verity's school (Ivanhoe Girls' Grammar) recently conducted this amazing fundraiser for 3rd world orphans... it went like this: everyone in year 11 donated $5. Then they were allowed to enter the cafe where tables were set and lovely cooking smells wafted from the kitchen. The round tables each seated 10 girls. After everyone was seated "waiters" brought out covered plates of food. Only 1 out of the 10 girls at each table got a "proper meal" the rest lifted the cover to find just steamed rice. This illustrated to them the percentage of people in the world that actually DO survive primarily on rice and other plain staples compared to people like us who have a wonderful array of food choices. I'm not sure what happened next... would love to have been a teacher to see what the girls did and thought. It was mentioned in the school newsletter as a successful fundraiser... I think the girls knew what to expect so there were no riots etc LOL Not sure why I told you all about that.... it was held recently and I guess i've been thinking about it a lot.
PreSchool in Victoria: Enrolments for both 3yo and 4yo Preschool classes (council run) are taken after a child turns 2yo. It is advised that you do this asap after their 2nd birthday or risk not being offered a place at your prefered preschool. I knew this was the case for 3yo but didn't know it was the case for 4yo... I assumed also that children at a centre's 3yo class would be given preference if they were continuing on to the 4yo group but this is not so! Wade has been accepted into my prefered 3yo group (because I enroled him 3 days after he turned 2) but I've yet to submit the paperwork for the 4yo group meaning he might miss out! So please keep this in mind for 2008 girls! You've got to enrol them then! There are huge waiting lists for the better centres.
time for a cuppa.... back for more personals soon.
Simone: Good to hear you've arrived safely... and well done dealing with your 3 children on a plane for such a long stint! Did Anneliese cry at takeoff and landing? Apparently it can hurt their ears. I was told to feed Wade during these times when we flew to QLD when he was 6 weeks old (feeding helps equalise the pressure in the inner ear as they breathe through their mouths and suck). Hope you have a wonderful stay! It's quite cold here today... is it better in Perth? Thanks for the tip regarding JetStar.... haven't travelled with them myself and I'd like to fly up to QLD again this summer... so we'll stick with Qantas... the best flying experience in terms of helpful attendants for me has been with Singapore Airlines, they are the best!
Candy: I agree with Rory; go out and buy some pampering bath ingredients... products containing essential oils such as vervain, sandalwood, jasmine and rose are especially good in helping you feel more positive and secure. It's amazing how they can alter a mood really. I'm loooooving vervain at the moment (products from L'Occitane) and I use them after Niall has finished his time with me in the shower or bath because I think they might be a little too strong for him. Vervain has this ability to make me feel so happy and it's lovely in getting rid of that sour milk smell that comes with BFing. Sandalwood makes me feel more secure when I'm going through times of low self esteem... helps when DH is late home and I start fretting irrationally that some girl in the office is trying to sleaze onto him! LOL
All of a sudden I feel inspired to get my vapouriser going.... might try some bergamot... that inspires me to get stuck into the housework! LOL
Hey Candy, good point about our babies being Geminis - I'd never even thought of that, but it would explain a lot! Hey, I can totally understand why you're feeling down - that sucks about your friend and your folks. This motherhood thing can be extremely isolating as it is, without that sort of stuff adding to it.
Bath, what a fantastic idea that was at Verity's school...I'm sure they teach kids all the stats and they go in one ear and out the other, but to explain it so visually would have been very effective, I'm sure.
Body image - well, I have always been an A cup, and my pgs have left me a B cup, so that is something. Bear in mind that I didn't BF past 2 weeks either, but I won't go into all the emotional issues I have with that, or I'll be typing all day...basically I feel like my boobs failed on their one big mission in life, so what's the point of even having them? Anyway, didn't put on too much weight this pg, but I have no muscle tone in my abs, so I still look a good 4/5 months pg, which is the thing that gets me down. I'm going to a wedding a week tomorrow, and I'll be wearing my tubigrip under my dress to try and hold it in a bit!
IK - Lol at the idea of Oscar sucking it off you :) I can't wait to get bck to work because I'm hoping I can maybe afford to agist ONE of my horses in the ACT so I can start riding again!
Bath - Don't you hate those evil thoughts that start to creep in when DH is late home from work? I've written those oils down & I'll pick some up when I go shopping this weekend. The thing at school is a great idea!!! I'd like to see that done but reminding the kids about the kids in australia living on the streets that don't have loving mums & dads that send themto nice schools, that are there because they've been abused etc. I think a lot of schools forget to teach our kids that there are unfortunate people in our own country. We spend so much time focussing on terrible stuff overseas and pretending it oesn't happen here. Like IK mentioned with the aboriginal people!! JMO though.
Jo - Yup blooming little geminis!!! With the isolation thing, you are right. You feel isolated already and then people put in their opinions on EVERYTHING which can make you feel very targeted! I'm sure you'll look great for the wedding. Nothing wrong with wearing a tubigrip. Celebs have nips & tucks all the time GRR.
Me - well I'm doing something I've found I really enjoy.... baking bread. Right now I am baking rolls for the hamburgers I am making for tea tonight. I love the smell of fresh baked bread at Bakers Delight etc so I thought what could be better than that smell filling my house??? Also I have found some yummy friand recipes to make for Ryan's naming day that will be both Gluten and Dairy free YAY!!!
Essential oils: Candy, rose and jasmine are very very expensive ( over $100 a bottle) but if you can buy special blends with them in it it's almost as good. Citrus oils like orange and mandarine are cheap (under $15 per bottle) and aslo lovely mood elevators... vervaine (also called verbena) is also kinda citrusy... although i think it's a flower or a leaf(?) and not too expensive. The most important thing is to buy a good brand... I generally only buy InEssence or SunSpirit (they both have a good websites) oils... they are very reputable and use excellent quality ingredients... make sure you don't buy a synthetic product!!!! they usually have the words "fragrant oil" on the bottle instead of "essential oil". Also you might want to buy or borrow a book about oils and how they affect/alter moods. Let us know what you get!
ETA: InEssence have a special blend called Intimacy with Jasmine, Neroli, Orange, Rose and Sandalwood <--- highly recomended when you are feeling crappy about yourself to the point of it affecting intimacy.
I love citrusy smels. Verbena is the leaf / flower. I had a "lemon verbena" tree at my old house. yummy smelling :)
Well I need to get this of my chest, I've been feeling really upset and moody lately and I don't know what it's all from. I think that it started with my so called friend telling me that Lochie needs chill pills and now I think I've taken that to heart and feel like the worse mother in the world. My two older boys don't listen to me that much and I feel that because I'm yelling or constantly telling them to stop doing something that it is reflecting on me as been a bad mother. I now don't have any friends in QLD, my best friend lives in Sydney and we talk as much as we can, but I'm feeling so isolated at the moment, all I seem to do is walk Kailen to school then come home and that is my life. Don't get me wrong I love been a SAHM but I need adult conversation. I feel that my frustration is coming into the way I am parenting and I just don't want to feel like this anymore, as I'm sitting here typing this I'm bawling my eyes out as it feels like a small weight is been lifted by typing this out. I am also feeling very invisible like no one can see or hear me, besides DH, but he doesn't know how to fix it so I don't know.
Ok I better stop now or I won't be able to compose myself, there's no need to say anything I'm just glad I've got it off my chest now, and will try and deal with it and make the changes I might need.
hugs xoxo
Amanda, i know what its like to feel really lonely, i just moved from Perth to Melb 6 months ago, and havent really been able to get out an make any friends... The only time i go out is food shopping. Move to melb, we can have coffee everyday together!!
DH asks why im on here ALL THE TIME... Its the only place i have friends.
Please dont feel its you who are the prob, why your so lonely... Its other people, they dont see what a beautiful person you are...
sending a couple of BIG HUGS your way sweetie...
ETA my 3yo ignores me... my 2 boys even hit me when they have tantrums. I think ignoring muum is the phase htye go thru, from about 2 yrs old until... adulthood :) fingers crossed that things look up for you...
Oh Amanda! (((Big Hug darl))) I know exactly how you're feeling! There's been times when I've felt the same way, especially the isolated feeling. Things haven't been too bad this time around mainly because of a connectness i get from BB and from being helped by Kelly (Zantey) and from meeting a few BB members and new mums at PlayGroup etc. I hear you regarding the yelling and i have to make a very conscious effort not to do this myself. Along with Nic I've been taking In-Liven which I personally have found to help control my short fuse as it's helped to deal with my sugar cravings and thus mood swings. never hesitate to vent in here darl... it's exactly what it's for! Even if you find yourself "thinking aloud" and going off on tangents like I do it all helps. I know how some things like your friend's comment can stick in your head so when that happens you just come in here and we'll set it straight... give you a better perspective... sometimes i find that when people make silly comments like that it's often because THEY need to take their own advice (like my neurotic mother telling me I should be careful not to get depressed... it's HER who needs that advice, not me!) i also know what you mean about adult conversation: that's my biggest issue ATM and why we all need to amke sure we get out like Nic did the other day and seize every opportunity to socialize with other mums :) You just get as much off your chest as you need to darl!
Thanks girls, I hear you on BB been were I know all my real friends are. You girls have been thru all mine and everyone elses ups and downs, it's great in here.
Simone my 4 yr old and 2 yr old do the hitting thing to my oldest doesn't which is good, I think sometimes that it may be the testostrone floating thru their little bodies.
Bath what is In-Liven, I've never heard of it before and how much is it? Your right about everything as usual which makes me feel better. i think everything has just boiled to a head today and I've had a complete meltdown this afternoon.
Thanks again for all your support.
hugs xoxo
everyone has been quiet chatty in here today!
Had Nixon weighed etc
6020g (up 720g in 3 weeks)
length: 62cm (3cm in 3 weeks
HC: 40.7cm (2cm in 3 weeks)
Amanda/Candy/Simone- My dh rekons i am on here ALL THE TIME too, but i also dont have many friends in Melb since moving from Syd 3yrs ago. I have one gf with a 12 weeks old boy who i saw today, other then her none of the other few friends i have, have children.
Simone- glad ur flight went well. Did u have a seat for Declan because u were holding Anneliese? Dont know where i got this thought from but i thought that for each infant they needed an adult to travel with is that right?
Amanda- i hope you are feeling a little better after venting a bit in here, you are not invisable, although we cannot see you, we hear you and we listen to you, i cannot give much advise on toddlers because i havent been there yet but if ur friend meant what she said about your son i think she is really insensitive. Do u think she could have just been joking?
Body image- yep i have a problem with it. I think my belly still looks 3-4moths pg i hate it.
oh mum sent me a pic of me (about 6 months old) and whoo hoo i can see a resemblance in Nixon!
He has been a grump bum the last few days, become very dummy depandant grrr and just sooky..... could he be teething?? not sure, also just started giving him some wind drops to c if this helps witht he frustration and wriggle when feeding.
Hi ladies
Can't believe another Australian icon has died - this time Peter Brock..what is going on???
Anyway thought I'd share a strange moment - was feeding Aleise this afternoon when I felt something warm run down my leg - so lucky me copped diahroea (sp?) down my leg. Seems it leaked through a full nappy. Sorry if TMI but I just hope that doesn't happen again in a hurry!
Body image: Well I went to the gym again today and paid my $4 to child care ladies - they love Aleise and asked me where I'd been! After seeing my fat photos from the baptism I'm determined to lose 10kg even though I'm lighter now then when I fell pregnant. However am still a D cup and used to be a C so not upset about that! Just remember girls we're all still beautiful to our babies daddys' and that's the main thing!
Candy: Sorry to hear you haven't been feeling happy lately darls - remember you have plenty of friends here. I found a mother's group on another website and I'll email that one to you as they have mother's groups listed on that one. We meet every fortnight and its grown a lot since a month ago! Then again it won't be long until you score a job and will find little time for us I bet! :)
Bath: If you come up this way can we meet up? Unless you're going to the Whitsundays or something (and I'll be jealous! :( if you do!).
Brisbane girls: Would be good if we could meet up - I think Jo and Amanda3 are on the south side so the city might be the go. Amanda - try to keep a positive attitude if you can - remember chocolate (in moderation) is your friend! hehe!
Try to make the effort to meet some new people if you're friends have deserted you or they're too far away. After living in Brisbane for 5 years I don't have many friends here and the ones that I do have don't live close by.
About Tulip (Tanya) she texted me yesterday and said she was pretty busy so I'm sure she'll get online again soon.
Well I"d better go and try to go for a walk with Aleise while the sun is still up - nice and warm today and she's been kicking around in a t-shirt and nappy whilst I have a singlet and shorts on - roll on summer!
Take care all and *huggies* all 'round.
Neeny xoxo
Brocky, oh my god.... i heard a lady mention something to a shop assistant this arvo but didnt quiet hear everything. Then dh rang me and confirmed it was true.
I rang my dad straight away, he's a bit motorsprot fan, even raced once @ Bathurst (HQ's not V8's!) so i have watched him race for as long as i can remember, i just cant believe we have lost two great Australian's within 4 days.
Neeny: meet up? sure :) I'd like to go to Seaworld Nara Resort again this year for a few days (we've been there twice before... it's the most family friendly holiday place we've been to). So depending on how big DHs bonus is this year we could be up there over summer or early next year.
Nic: Oh Nixon is thriving! He might even be bigger then Niall now! Speaking of which I've just this minute uploaded a piccy I took about 10 minutes ago of him in his sleeping bag and pram bassinette.
Oooh I've spent too long on here today! better do something about dinner!
ETA: forgot to add that Wade is going through a phase of hitting me too... is a very very common phase that is best dealt with by distracting them... "oh look! what was that flying past the window???" let's go have a look!!!" by the time you get outside they have usually forgotten about why they were hitting you... this works for 2/3 yos anyhow ;)
Neeny that would be great to have a meet up, we'll just have to organise when and where.
It is a shame about Peter Brock, thats two within a week.
hugs xoxo
what a cute piccy Bath! Oh and love that quilt too on the other photo.
starting my vent:
Ive just been crying with Nixon. he had another episode of refusing me. took one side ok (without nipple sheild) then to the bad side i need the sheild with he would not take, cried and sceamed and cried some more. I had 100ml i had expressed in the fridge so gave that to him but he still wasnt happy (cried through trying to give it to him) so i thought well maybe he aint hungry anymore. Take him off, try to comfort, continued screaming. DH took him off me and he took the rest of the bottle from him? (could this be because he has the bottle with dh each night? )
Now he has just had a bath and he is upset again......
Im a bit upset that the MCHN kept on me about the nipple sheild (even though i told her i only use it half of what i used to) like WTF, i am doing the best i can, I am still breastfeeding him arnt i....i told her i cannot just go out shops etc and feed him easily if i need to, its a constant struggle coming off, on off on over and over again, until i use the sheild. (to which she mentioned prob because thats what i got him used to) i feel like saying to her well u chop your pertruding nipples off and then try and get a baby to latch onto them woman.
i am always trying to avoid feeding him in public if i can, i always have to have the sheild with me for JIC and try to disguise that i am putting it on if i need to.... i guess im just over today because he has been unsettled for most of it. i dont even feel comfortable to talk to girls from mothers group about it (i even hide that i use the sheild when i have to feed him when with them) i prob find it easier admitting it to you guys because i cannot see the looks on your face (not implying u would have a funny look but YKWIM?)
Thanks for listening to my vent...going to watch Basic Instinct 2 (dh pick not mine) great will prob be lost of big fat nipple shots!
Oh no! Nic crying too?!:grouphug: maybe it's the full moon tonight? But you're right Nic... that stupid MCHN should have been more supportive... I guess you've probably tried everything but have you expressed a bit from the bad side until you can kinda form a nipple for his mouth to latch onto? Even my nipples get a bit hard for Niall to latch onto when I'm engorged. Also, apparently there is an excellent ABA group that meets regularly in Heidelberg... I haven't joined because I don't really need any support, although I've considered going to a few meetings (they suggest you go along to a few before you subscribe) and if they are a nice group of ladies i might join just for the social side of things... it might be easier to talk to women in a group like that rather than a Mother's group or Playgroup (I don't talk about anything really personal at those sorts of places either). BFing is such a hormonally regulated thing that it's not surprising you get upset when things get tough... you're doing a fantastic job Nic and deserve to have it acknowledged more than what it is! Now sorry, I had to laugh at that last line of yours: "great will prob be lots of big fat nipple shots!" hehe :hug:
Amanda: Now how are you going darl, all the boys in bed now? I forgot to say that In-liven is a probiotic superfood powder that Kelly Zantey has discovered and has started a thread in BB about. Quite a few of us are now trying it and it's helping us with a variety of health issues.... mine being sugar cravings. Try to find the thread and have a read. If you can't find it then locate a post by Kelly (BellyBelly) and there is a link in her signature.
Watching the footy finals here.... too many injuries :(
Thanks heaps Bath.
hehe well i didnt even get half way through the movie and realised after i had sat there plating my hair that i was not interested in it! (dunno if anyone has seen it but just seemed to be too much like the 1st)
The sad part is i spent $100 a while ago (when i first found out i was pg) on these things called "nipplets" they were like a little suction cup that u used to help draw the nipples out. I used to go to bed every night wearing them (as uncomfortable and as much as it hurt to do so) to try and help them ready for the baby.
I took them to hospital with me and continued using them until one morning (few days after birth) mum rang me, woke me up, as i answered the room phone i knocked something into the bin. then forgot to check until the bin lady game to collect. I said oh can u check my mobile phone is not in the bin, sure enough it was... thank god i was awake when she come in. anyway one hr later i realised the nipplets must have also fallen in the bin, dh went and asked but apparently the rubbish goes straight to these other big bins and picked up already (not like we would have ever found them like a needle in a haystack) i was so dissapointed that A. i spent $100 on them B. i no onger had anything to help withdraw them to help attachment. C. all that effort to try and help and now they were gone, but nurses re-assured me i wouldn't need them.....but if only i still had them....
Nickers I agree with Bath, it's not your fault you are trying the best you can and you have done well the have been bf for this long, good on you. As for my x-friend no she wasn't joking about the chill pills she was quite serious, one of the reasons I now don't talk to her.
Bath I'm feeling better today, when DH came home I had a cry on his shoulder and he said it would be alright. I will try and find that thread thanks for that.
I also remembered this morning that I had a book called Why Boys are different and how to bring out the best in them by Dr Bonnie Macmillan. so I will read this and try and find some comfort and answers in this.
hugs xoxo
Thanks Amanda, (i wouldnt be talking to that so called friend of yours again either) for some reason i was very emotional last night, i kept crying when i went to bed. i feel fine thismorning but Nixon hasnt refused me yet!
Just thought I'd share this with you all today is the 1st annaversary from when Nixon was conceived!! and would you beleive it i just got what i think are my periods for the first time. pretty ironic huh.
I bet all your conceivment dates (if u knew when) are coming up soon too!
Oh, poor loves, all of us! Sounds like there have been bad days all round!:grouphug:
Nickers, you are doing an amazing job to still be feeding. I am constantly amazed by the love that mothers have for their children. You are doing so much for him - you only have to look at his amazing growth stats to see that!!
Amanda, "big hug" to you! I can't imagine what it is like with 4 little ones! I really want 3, and to have them close, so UR a real inspiration for me. It's women like you who let me know it's possible - hard, but possible :)
Candy, mums can be such pains in the A. I read somewhere that mothers say things to their daughters that they wouldn't dare syaing to anyone else. That sucks!!
Neeny, pooing on mum must have been in the air yesterday - Flynn did it do me while I was working from home on the PC. I was sitting there thinking how great it was going and I hear this "drip, drip" on the floor. Out the side of the nappy, down inside of his jeans, over his sock! Yukko!!
Bath, I often think about all the poor babies in the world who aren't as luck as Flynn. I mean, he is loved, kept warn, fed well, has a nice house to live in and isn't in a war-torn country. Tears come to my eyes when I think of all the poor little lambs who aren't so lucky, both in Australia and OS. I see Flynn in the eyes of every sad little World Vision kid....
Body image - Mine is taking a bettering - probably cause I ate KFC for lunch, fish and chips for dinner and white choc cheesecake for dessert on Thursday!!!
ciao bellas
We are going for our first overnight trip tonight, going to stay with FIL in the country and my goodness, there is soooooooooooooooooo much stuff that you need to pack. Gone are the days when we could just throw a few clothes into a backpack and head off, we have clothes for Tori, and spare clothes just in case, bath stuff, portacot &blankets and sheets, play mat etc etc etc, and that is only for one night, cant imagine what it is going to be like when we go away for a week!
I think Tori might be going through a growing spurt, she has started waking up every 4-5 hours in the night for hte last couple of nights for a feed, and I am exhausted- got too used to my long stretches of sleep. Oh well hopefully it is just a phase that she is going through.
Anyway better go, we are going to look at our Pixi Photos today and then we are heading off. I hope everyone is having a better day today!
Ha, ha, Ali!Made me laugh that you 'only' got 4-5 hours at a time last night - Oscar still has only gone 4 and a half at the longest! But I dont' really notice, cos we feed half asleep and he nods off on my chest again, with me patting and kissing him off to nigh nighs again on his warm head. I don't think I'd sleep very well if Oscar slept for more than 4 hours - I'd be waking up hoping he'll feed!
I'll be packing Oscar up for the weekend next weekend, but won't bother with portacot and sheets (even though the house has portacot facilities) cos he'll be in with me. A couple of blankies for the pram and the car ride (hitching with GF in her mum's car cos she has anchor points and will save me going up on my own), a few outfits and a bunch of jumpsuits (if he spews on the outfits he can spend the rest of the weekend in Wondersuits! They pack easier, too!). Can't wait to go camping with him - bath in the esky, can practice this 'elimination communication' caper and save on nappies, no house to tidy so I can spend the whole day playing with the boy!
I bought a lovely half crossover top yesterday from Temt and I think I'll use it as a guide for a pattern for more summer tops and singlets. I was in Lincraft as well, but as I wasn't planning on getting fabric I was like a rabbit in headlights again, not being able to think of what fabric I needed or what colour, so I left before I got a headache thinking about it!
Went out to dinner last night and Oscar was really unsettled as soon as we walked in - for a cosy restaurant it was buzzing with conversations from all corners...and our table (being a bunch of firies) was not quiet! A quick strap on of the HAB, a minute of more crying and he was off in dreamland for the rest of the night. I love my HAB - can't leave home without it!
So deceptive outside - from inside it looks nice and sunny, but step outside and cop an arctic blast! Happy to stay in and look out, thanks!
Nickers - you do what you have to do and if you think other mums are being a bit judgmental its cos they dont' have YOUR baby or YOUR nipples! As I always say, 'bite me'. And you wouldn't get any disapproval at an ABA meeting. You do what you have to do to keep breastfeeding. I don't know what the deal is with persuading you off nipple shields especially if they are working for you. Truly, what is with some maternal nurses who give such bad advice??? It sounds like you might benefit from give the ABA hotline a call, just to chat to one of the counsellors about what's been happening. Like I've said, you don't need to be a subscriber to call them. I recommend joining up though and joining your local group - they are so supportive and full of helpful hints and there is NO judgment allowed! I am so glad I just went to my first meeting without thinking about it too much (you know, thinking about fitting in, what kind of people will be there, will I feel comfortable), there are mothers who mother from different perspectives so you oughtn't feel like anyone is condemning you for what you do. Bugger about the nipplets, too! I didn't realise they cost so much, but I suppose they are an American patent and made there too, I think, so that might explain it.
Gonna try to tidy this house a bit - DP's made a mess by just leaving stuff everywhere and I haven't helped by leaving some laundry unhung by the door!
Oooh, just seen the direction the wind is blowing...that's gotta be a straight southerly, BRRRRRRR!!!
hi gals,
must be something in the air, was feeling a tad down the last few days too... Feel like my body is failing apart, my back really aches from B/F, my shoulder and elbow hurt, my tummy gets these horrible stabbing pains (one of the reasons for my colonoscopy) and my face has such bad ecema (sp?) that it is all red and flaky, I feel so ugly! I can not go back on steroids to fix it as it would hurt B/F... Such a pain..
I have uped my vitamins, hopefully that will help? I know I need to excercise, but the weather has been so crap and the wheel on the pram is broken. We took it to a bcycle repair place today but they told us they could not fix it... ohhhh... sorry for vent... I'm sure it is just a phase.
Nickers - sorry your having such a hard time B/F. It is such a stressful thing I know. My sister used a sheild and B/F both her boys for more than one year (she had almost non-existant nipples). Your beautiful boy is obviously getting enough milk (based on his recent stats), which is the only thing that is important. But I agree with IK, maybe speak to ABA, so you can hear it from an expert... HUGS honey. (PS, it is good to talk about this as I'm sure your not the only one out there)...If you text Tanya tell her we miss her...
That means that there are still a few MIA: Enigma, Donna...
IK - you love your HUB like I love my hammock! Hee hee.. DH and I tried one on the Baby shop and the assistant did not know how to do it and we were all tangled up and DH was like " this is too hard, I will never wear it", so we did not get it. Our house is a tad crazy, we even have 'slip on shoes' to save time so not sure the HAB would work for us... How long can you wear a HUB for anyway?
4-5 hours each night: I wake Ally up for a feed every 4-5 hours as my boobs hurt. If I try to ignore my aching boobs I get less sleep, so it is easier to let her feed then I can go back to sleep in comfort!
Off to the bath.. (first one since I was in labour)..ummm...
Yeah I've just flicked on the heating here too... I think I heard the word "hail" on the weather report last night... doesn't surprise me at all. Just watching the footy on TV again, also just had a bit of a nap on the couch when Wade was napping too... and DH... and Niall...all napping except for Verity who was running around the block I believe! We all went to Little Athletics this morning (this will be every Saturday morning now for the next 6 months)... so we were all a bit tired after that.... except for Verity that is who did a 1500m walking race, a 100m sprint and highjump.
Got some lentils on the boil... not sure what I'm going to make yet, just know that I feel like them... maybe perhaps a curry... Wade loves "spicey" food too especially with papadams. I haven't found Niall to be "funny" about my milk yet, even after eating strong flavours. Apparently it gives the child a preference for strong flavours too when they are on solid food. I made a really garlicy French chicken dish recently and thought it would bother him but it didn't... someone said avoid cabbage... is there anything else? I'm doing the shopping tomorrow and need to plan meals tonight, I've been in a bit of a cooking rut recently though and want to do a few different things and meals I haven't done in a while. With the warmer weather forecast for next week I think I'd like to do some Thai dishes... even a good old Green Chicken Curry would be good. Ooooh cold weather always makes me hungry!
Bugger about those niplets Nic! How's your overall supply? Are you still getting engorged or has it occasionally settled down to the point that you can attach Nixon when they are soft and then feel the let down? It's probably a bit of both like me? I agree with IK, give the ABA hotline a call next time you get upset. They would be so used to women in despair and should be able to make you feel a lot more positve about the huge effort you've put in for your son.... and maybe give you some better advice.
Amanda; yep, I find myself consulting my shelves of parenting books when I reach melt-down... particularly my copy of "How to Behave So that Your Children Will" (or something like that LOL) Honestly some days i really am just as bad as them.
Ok... Wade has just reached the bottle of tabasco sauce that was on the bench and tipped it all over the kitchen floor... I hope he licks his fingers! nah, knowing him he'll probably like it. grrrr.
ETA: Hi CeeCee... posted at the same time... good to see you, have been wondering how you've been getting along.
ETA Again: Oh yeah Nic, Niall was probably conceived on Wade's birthday... we DTD a few days before that day which is when I ovulated.... I thought he was going to be a girl for that reason ie girl sperm live longer so he must have been a very hardy male sperm specimen!