Storm, hope the move is going well for you. I agree, probably better to move now htan in a few months! she will be into everything soon, lol.
Cate, glad you had a good nights sleep! Hopefully you will get a few more yep afternoons are definitely harder here, harder to get her to sleep & shorter naps too.
MissE that's awesome Ash is sitting up! Arlea doesn't have the balance for it yet, she topples over, reminds me of theose babushka dolls, lol. Yay for sleeping through the night
MamaPan how exciting planning a move back to Melbourne! Hope those night feeds start to settle down for you soon, hopefully solids will help.
Jetta sounds like you had a nice day with your DH & Sam, they are so much fun now aren't they! I always thought 4-6 months was just the cutest stage. WRT cutting a feed I guess it depends on how much he is having at each feed, if he is having big feeds you might be able to drop one? I guess he will let you know if it's not enough.
Heva big hugs to you that sounds very difficult I think most people would be having a hard time with that. I hope you can sort something out soon & get some of your own space one way or another
AFM I seem to be over my sore throat, I was worried Arlea was coming down with it as we have had a very unsettled week, but I have decided she is healthy, she's not acting sick at all, just very unsettled with her sleep - which makes her overtired & cranky
Did someone mention a 4mth sleep regression? Because that seems exctly like what this is... and I am sooo tired... so hoping for a better night tonight
I'm on my phone so i wont do a proper post, just wondering where everyone is? It's been almost 2 days without a post. I'm having withdrawl symptoms.
hope everyone is well and just busy.
Lol Heather. Here is some (somewhat boring) news for you...
We are almost moved in, just have a few odds and ends back in Wagga. The house is a mess..there are boxes and crap everywhere! Hope to get it sorted out a little today, I dont think we're going back to Wagga until tomorrow. Hayley is starting to get grumpy and unsettled, I don't blame her really when everything is changing around her. If we can stay at home today hopefully she will be better tomorrow, as she was getting to the stage where she just wanted to be held all the time. By this time next week we should have the house all cleaned up and no more trips back and forth. It's about 100ks away, so an hour or so drive, I'm glad it isn;t further!
i've been reading but haven't had time to reply for a few days!
ss_storm - glad to hear the move is nearly finished! 100kms is a long way to me!
liviam - hi & welcome! i think we were in the same ttc thread at one stage - seems a very long time ago now
jasp - hope arlea didn't end up catching your sore throat & glad to hear you're feeling better
miss e - hope you're feeling better
mamapan - great news about the move. i'd love to meet up with all the melb mums & bubs as well
heva - that sounds like a tough situation. i hope things improve for you soon
afm - corey has been really unsettled during the nights - similar situation to mamapan with corey waking for feeds anything from each hour to prob 2.5hrs at the most. he's also decided that bedtime is more like 9 than 7. he does his first sleep or two in his cot & then i co-sleep with him in the spare bed. i really don't want to but it's the only way i get enough sleep to function the next day! i think he might be teething - there is drool everywhere & his hands are in his mouth nearly all day!
Last edited by sloane; December 6th, 2009 at 08:34 AM.
Just wanted to pop in quickly and say hello. Ash's naps have gotten a lot better in the last few days. One day we had two 2 hour naps, yesterday we had three 1.5hour naps. This is great, but it seems to have created a another problem. Because he is sleeping so much longer he has gone from feeding roughly every 3 hours to every 4 hours during the day. This means that he is now having 5 feeds a day instead of 6. The issue is that I don't think this is enough because he is now waking up at about 4.30am desperately wanting a feed. He used to do this all the time and I would just feed him and be able to put him straight back to bed. But now I don't think he is used to having a night feed so isn't going back to sleep. This morning we ended up bringing him into our bed at 5.00am after no luck of getting him back to sleep. He still wasn't happy so we ended up getting up until he got tired at 6.15am. Put him back to bed and then we also went back to bed and got to sleep till 8am. So now I think I have to find some way to squeeze in an extra feed during the day, because I don't want to make a habit of starting the day at 4.30am every day. I guess I might try feeding him before I put him down and see if that helps, but when I have done it before he falls asleep while feeding but the minute we finish he is energised... Oh what to do, just when everything starts working really well a new problem pops up!
Miss E - it really does seem that as soon as you feel like you've got the hang of it, they throw you a curve ball! We've had a similar problem lately - unfortunately not because Zac's sleeping longer/more during the day, but because I've been trying to get him to take his feeds during the day rather than feeding 3 hourly around the clock - now that I'm trying to get more mls into him, he's stretching longer between feeds, so it's really hard to get five feeds in during the day! Do you do a dream feed at all? Maybe Ash would then sleep the rest of the night? (fingers crossed!)
Sarah - groan! I hear ya on the co-sleeping - it may not be quality sleep, but at least it's sleep! Also the drool - sometimes Zac reminds me of those dogs that always seem to have big strings of saliva hanging from their mouths
ss_storm - you will be so relieved once you are all finished with the old place. 100kms each way isn't a trip you want to be doing that often!
jasp - no good to hear about the sleep regression, although 'been there, done that', so hopefully she will come through it fairly quickly for you! Lack of sleep is such a killer...
heva - I don't envy you at all, and I'm really impressed that you manage so well. I was thinking that one positive of your inlaws always picking Isaac up is that he should feel very happy and loved and secure. As for his development, I think we all know that each baby is going to do things at their own pace, but I know it does give you a bit of a worry when you feel like your baby isn't doing what others are doing. I used to worry about Zac and his tummy time because he just hated it, and I was seeing friends' 7 week old babies holding their heads up, but suddenly it just clicked for him and it wasn't a problem anymore. My friend's baby just refused to be on her tummy until around 6 months, and one day she suddenly loved it!
Jetta - good to hear from you!
mamapan - I am amazed that you're still capable of coherent thought! fwiw I've recently started Zac on solids (he's 5 months now) and have also been increasing his formula intake during the day as he had gone back to feeding 3-hourly around the clock. He loves the baby rice, but I can't say whether it's made any difference at all to his sleeping. I do find I have to be careful with the timing of it so that it doesn't impact his appetite for milk. As for increasing his mls during the day, that's been a bit of a challenge, but seems to be paying off. He's now only waking once most nights for a feed. I think their little bellies are used to having so much at a time, so when we try to put more into them it takes a while for them to adapt to having more food less often iykwim. Good luck - I hope you start getting some more sleep soon!
AFM - Zac has been rolling (back to front) like a maniac. He's generally quite happy once he's on his front, but he is straining to reach things, and his little legs are thrashing away. He tends to get quite frustrated and starts screaming after a while, but as soon as I flip him on to his back he rolls over again
I realised that I had been getting a bit complacent lately so found something else to beat myself up about - I still rock him to sleep for all his naps, and now I feed him to sleep for his night sleep. Am I creating a problem for myself further down the track? Am I making it impossible for anybody but me to put him to sleep at night? What is it that makes us look at what we're doing 'wrong' instead of congratulating ourselves on what we're doing right???
anyhow, a giggle for those of you with boys - I give Zac nappy off time before he has his bath, and I usually put him on some towels on the floor while I do some computer work. Today he suddenly went all silent and I turned around to see that he had peed all over himself - including his face! He was looking a bit confused as to why he was suddenly so wet
Been reading but not posting as can't seem to find the time... (not going to attempt to catch up properly with personals - will be going to bed shortly)
Schools been busy - just love the end of year and report writing and Blake's not been settled. He's been having a serious attempt at teething - still attempting not getting there yet. Had the sleep regression to 2 hourly average for a couple of nights there last week (he hasn't done that since the hospital) and was starting to get a little hard to concentrate during the day. Yesterday spent the whole day on me either feeding or sleeping - wouldn't go down in his cot - as soon as he went down the crying would start. Wasn't a well boy yesterday - lots of pooping, snotty nose, temperatures and loads of drool, seemed to change after managing a 2 hour sleep (1 on me, 1 in the portacot) and a quick feed and then another 1.5 hour sleep he seemed to settle down again and be more like his usual self and we had his more usual 5-6 hour sleep over night - thank goodness - apparently he stirred about 10:30 after going down at 9 and I didn't hear him at all (I was that tired), thankfully Tim heard him and settled him quickly - wasn't looking for a feed (within 10min) and he was down again until 3ish.
hi all
well we are still waking every 90-120 mins overnight, it is killingme! i will keep trying to get more feeds into him and see how we go.. lets just say 'this too shall pass' is my current mantra...
so sorry i dont have any advice for those of you who are having sleep probs as i am in the thick of it myself LOL! i do find J will self settle a lot of the time esp in the day (when he does 40 min catnaps) so i guess that is a plus.
LC - re the rockinga nd feeding to sleep - you do what is best for you...and what works. i always fed DS1 to sleep at night and also rcked him - we only gave this up when he was 18 months and 12 kg... and i was heavily preg... once DS1 was weaned and having bottles before bed (about 12 months) DH was able to put him down just the same as me... and in fact now DH is his preferred option for going to sleep... it all works out so just do what works for you i think.
ok better go... will try to be on later xxx
SS - Hopefully your right re the talking, and he's just focusing on other things. He has been rolling onto his side a fair bit lately, but his arm gets in the way so he stays there a min or two then rolls back. lol.
No news is boring news
Miss E - not oversteppin the mark at all. I totally agree wht you but DF is totally closed to the idea of moving until we have enough money to buy a house Which means we'll be stuck with them for the next 20 bloody years if we keep going the way we are. I keep telling him how much I hate it here and need to get out but he refuses to rent saying it's a waste of money and he wants to save for a house, so far nothing has been saved though...
Hope that your tummy upset was nothing more than suspect food.
Isaac has always been an early waker, between 4 and 6 each day, could it be that Ash has just changed his routine?
Cate - Isaac used to ike tummy time then one day he just hated it and has ever since. He'll occasionally have a day here and there when he'll tollerate it for a little longer. Today he was quite happy there for a whole 5 mins. lol. He even smiled and had a bit of a look around with his head up. I think he's discovered how to prop himself up on his arms in the last couple of days too... maybe we're starting to get somewhere.
I totally agree with the do what works attitude. I figure if it's not broken dont fix it.
as for peeing on himself I laughed so hard when I read that, Isaac wee's on himself at least 2 times a week lol. not so much when I change him becuase I get his new nappy on before he has a chance, it's more when Jesse does it or when MIL takes it upon herself to change him... I like to think it's karma.
Hi everyone else
AFM - Everyday one of the IL's seem to do something that makes me so angry! Last week we bought a bottle of milk to take to DF's grandparents place (a whole other story in itself!)and it didn't get used so we brought it home (they don't drink milk). It ended up staying in the moderately warm car for a few hours and we were going to throw it out but FIL insisted we keep it and put it in the fridge because "it'd be fine" and he'd drink it. Fine, whatever, you want to poison yourself that's your perogative (sp?). Well I overheard this morning that he poured some of the suspect milk in with the fresh milk and didn't tell us! So we've been drinking the most probably off milk for 3 days! He ovbiously thought it'd be ok, but we had already said we didn't trust it and want to drink it, and he went behind our backs and made us drink it anyway! grr...
When we were at DF's grandparents place - who I usually love spending time with - Isaac was really unsettled and refused to go to sleep, because it was a new place? or because it was hot? , and they were full of "advice" I got "he's not even crying, he's just making noise" about 50 times as well as "now you've done it, you picked him up when he cried, now he knows he's got his own way" and "you know you need to talk to him and teach him things" and when I didn't then and there, GMIL picked him up and started talking to him and making animal noises at him, which probably wouldn't have really bothered me too much except for all the other stuff they'd said. I finally snapped at the "now you've done it" comment and said that "he is just a baby and he has no concept of manipulation yet". I didn't yell was just very firm. Actually I suprised myself, if it was anyone else I think I would have done my block. Fine, critisize my parenting style I can handle that, to some extent, but do NOT critisize my child!
I think if it was just one person or one issue at a time I'd probably be fine with coping with it but I'm just getting angrier and more stressed and frustrated by the day. Why can't people just leave us alone to parent in the way we know to be best for us? I realise that differnet generations do it differently but I'm so tired of being given "advice" and being undermined if I don't follow it. For goodness sake this is our child not yours, you had your chance at being a parent now let me have mine!
Had to see my mother the other week, visit's with my mum, generally, are a rather stressful experience. We decided that we'd go to the shopping centre where theres air-con and we could part our seperate ways there. It was pretty normal, she talked rubbish and we half listened so we didn't agree to anything we didn't want to by accident. After about 3 hours with her we decided we couldn't take it anymore and we were going home. So we walked to the exit all the while telling her we're going home and we'd see her next time etc, etc, and when it finally came to the point where we say goodbye she says "well I could come back to your house for a while if you like?" If I wanted you to come back with us I would have invited you! I didn't say it but my goodness how I'd like to. What are you supposed to say to that? It doesn't matter what I say to her she always says "i can help with that" or "that's ok I don't mind if you do that while I'm there" Jesse just told her that his mum was doing some cleaning and didn't want visitors. lol. it was kinda half true She was doing her washing.
In other news ... Isaac's been a bit more active the last couple of days, tolerating tummy time a little bit longer, and he's moving around on the spot. He'll roll onto his side, wriggle around a bit then roll back in a slightly different spot. Did your LO's have trouble with thier arms getting in the way at first? He gets halfway and strains and grunts a little bit then gives up and either stays on his side for a few mins or rolls back onto his back. I think maybe we're finally making some headway, He also did make a couple of more speech like sounds yesterday, by a couple I'm mean about 2, lol, but it's more than I've heard in a few months.
Does anyone else dislike anyone but thier DP or themselves changing thier LO's nappy? Or am I just wierd? I figure I would't want my grandparents or anyone else looking at and touching my genitals, why would my son? It just seems a bit undignified for him to have just anyone touching his bum. If he'd been left with them ie they're babysitting, that'd be different but not when either DF or I am there, It's just not neccesary IMO. WDYT?
Oh cool, hello everyone I've just found this thread, I recognized a few of you from the belly buddy thread I hope everyone is well.
I have twin girls born on the 9th July, 3 weeks early weighing in at 4lb13 and 4lb14, I breast fed and formula fed for 3 weeks. Was a lot of hard work so decided to knock the breast feeding on the head and just go with the formula. My two are in cloth nappies part time, saving loads of cash, they were getting through loads of nappies. I was going to Big W and filling a trolley with nappies before every 2 weeks. Now I just buy the odd packet with my grocery shop. They are in a fabulous routine sleeping from 7pm till 7am and having two day time naps, some times at the same time some times not. Life has been pretty full on the past 5 months, I really don't know where the time has gone!
Anyway it's gonna take me some time to get to know everyone so I will try and keep up with everyone's posts, looking forward to chatting with you lovely mummy's
I'll try to be brief this time since I typed up an epic for my last post!
mamapan - I really hope the nights start working out for you soon. It will pass, and when you look back on it it will probably seem like a brief time, but when you're in the midst of it it feels like it's going on forever! As for J's "40 min catnaps" - that is all Zac will do most days. Every now and then he surprises me and will do an hour and a half, but in general I have accepted that it will be 45 minutes, and then he's up for two hours.
heva - yep, Zac used to get a bit stuck on his arm too, so Isaac will work it out eventually. Your mum sounds a bit like mine, but thank goodness mine is in NZ so I don't have to deal with her quite as much - although I do have to discourage her from coming for a visit re the nappy changes, I can't say I've thought about it really. I would be happy for Zac's aunties to change him, and like you say, if someone was babysitting, but I've not really been in a situation where there is anyone else around who would actually want to change his nappy!
lovelycate - totally on the co-sleeping...as you say, any sleep is better than none! does zac take up lots of the bed? i've been sharing a king single with corey & i'm finding he trying to shuffle over to me & i end up with no room! i think i've had more room the few times i've had to share the bed with DP! i also agree with mamapan - still to doing what works for you! there seem to be some very gentle ways out there to break a feeding to sleep habit so that makes me feel confident that should we need to break the habit, we can
heva - corey had the thing with his arms as well. and then one day it just all seems to fall into place for them! sounds like isaac is close now!
Just wanted to pop in quickly and have a bit of a whinge, so sorry for lack of personals...
Ash has his first tooth coming through, I can see the little sharp bit pointing out now. So I think that explains his sleeping issues over the last few days. Last night was awful, I was up with him every 45 mins from 2.30am. Each time it took me 15 or 20 minutes to settle him again and then he would be awake 20 or 30 minutes later, so each time I fell back asleep he would wake up again... Today hasn't been much better either, he had a long sleep this morning, but since then will only go down for about 20 minutes. Poor little thing has an awful dribble rash over his face and neck, has nappy rash over his groin and is exhausted (so's his mumma). I bought some bonjella today, because panadol seems to do very little. I've just put it on, so hoping next time I put him down he might sleep a little better. Not looking forward to tonight though, and last time I had a feel I think the tooth next to this one is also coming through...
Sorry about the pity party, hope everyone else is doing well.
Storm, glad to hear the move went well, good luck settling in quickly & I hope you don't have to do too many of those 100k trips!
Sloane & Mamapan to you both that sounds tough. Hope the sleeping is getting better, how are things going?
Cate at the peeing on his face! Boys can be good for a giggle like that, I remember years ago when our boys were little, DH getting a good spray
Leckert hope your little guy is feeling better?
Heva, I don't worry too much about anyone else changing bums, I figure its a very different thing when they are so little, there is no embarrassment at this age. If there's someone there who wants to do it, good for them any extra hands are welcome. I think it's like everything though, it's just down to what you are comfortable with.
Kezzabird welcome! Nice to have you with us, looking forward to hearing about your girls.. twins I take my hat off to you I am in awe of anyone who can manage more than one baby at a time!
Miss E I guess at least you know why he's been cranky? Hopefully it pops through soon & it's over & done with for him, poor little guy
AFM ... Arlea has been asleep now for almost an hour and a half .. interesting becasue she never sleeps like this in the afternoon.
I am thinking about trying to establish a bit of a routine now that she is older, she is close to it on her own anyway IYKWIM. The trick will be to get her having 'proper' sleeps instead of these catnaps... occasionally she will do it (like now, lol) but often she wakes too soon & then she's tired again too soon.
Her FDC carer agrees, she's probably ready to do 2 big sleeps a day & maybe a little nap in the afternoon. She recommended a book - Save Our Sleep by Tizzie Hall - a lady she knows used it for 2 weeks & her LO, similar age to ours, is now having 2 daytime naps & sleeping through. Don't know what approach they use, I will try & track it down at the library & see.
She had a rough week last week, was waking screaming the house down... we were on the verge of taking her to the Drs when it all stopped. Didn't take her earlier becasue she didn't seem sick or anything, she was fine once she was awake, it was very very strange. If she was older I would swear she was having night terrors but I don't know about that at this age?
Woah. sorry for the long post
Thanks Jasp. I finished the cleaning today, DF just needs to hose down the front and back verandah and try and get an oil stain off the floor of the carport (or at least make it look "old" as it says on the condition report there is an old stain there....lol). But hopefully I won't have to go back down. The travelling is really starting to bug Hayley and she's starting to not want to go in her car seat! I think we need a long long time at home not going anywhere to get back into our "routine" again. Her sleeping, or rather the getting to sleep, has been awful the last two nights...she didn't go to sleep until nearly 10.30 last night, and that was after what felt like hours of crying (was probably only half an hour/45 mins or so..but it is very draining!). Tonight was a bit the same, although she was asleep by about 9.30. I think she really just needs to wind down...the last week or so has been pretty hectic.
Planning on taking the dog for a nice walk tomorrow and check out the local sights, I think that will do us all good.
Miss E- we resorted to putting some bonjela on her bottom gum last night. I don't know if it was actually her teeth bothering her but we'd tried everything else and she just wouldn't stop crying. She would fall asleep for about 5 seconds then start crying again...I could feel a couple of lumps on her bottom gum so the teeth are definitely below the surface, but they aren't sharp points yet.
Welcome Kezzabird! Can't wait to hear more about your twins! Congrats!! I have a friend from work who had twin girls a couple of months before Hayley was born, she also has two slightly older girls (about 3 and almost 5 I think), I don't know how she does it! I have enough trouble with one. Lol.
Miss E, sounds like you have a rough time with teething, poor you and poor little guy, I remember my son suffered terribly with teething too. It's not a nice thing, knowing that they are in pain and unable to do anything about it, not to mention the sleeping or lack of issue's.
Jasp - I have that book by Tizzie Hall too, my girls have been on her recommended routine since 11 weeks and by 12 weeks they were going from 7am - 7pm and have done ever since with the odd awakening at 5am, but put straight back down in their cots afterwards. I can't recommend it enough, it has certainly saved my sanity, I don't know what I'd have done without it. Both my girls self settle without so much as a whimper, I can determine which is a protest cry and an upset cry. Protest cries are ignored basically, and upset cries get my full attention.
Well someone stole my newborns and replaced them with 5 month olds!! what, when, where? The time just seems to have passed me by and didn't even wave I was just wondering how many of you have introduced solids yet? I have let my girls have a little taste every now and then but not every day, just wondered what everyone else has been doing?
Storm, glad to hear the worst of the trips are over! Sounds like a few days at home will be good. Hopefully it wont take long for Hayley to settle back into her routine
Kezzabird I am definitely going to track it down now! I was wondering how you manage with your girls (ie if they are in a routine). 7 to 7 - I think I could live with that! That sounds great.
I know what you mean about the time passing I'm a bit sad about how fast she is growing. We haven't started solids yet I am just waiting a bit longer. I started all my others at 4 mths (which was pretty much recommended back then) this time around I would like to try BLS. We kind of did it without realising abck then - giving finger foods etc - now I would like to see what happens when we let her really take the lead. I am watching her to see if she is interested - the kids think she is but they just can't wait to start her lol - I think it's just normal 4 month old stuff - she wants to grab anything & put it in her mouth, I do't necessarily think it's food related, kwim? MIL will be here for Christmas & AR will be 5 mths then... I expet MIL will probably try to feed her so I'm trying to work out how I will deal with that.
Kezza - Hi, I think you were in my bellybeuddies group too. Not that I really posted much but did lots of reading, glad to hear your girls are well. I know what you mean by time going too fast. It makes me a little sad thats Isaac's growing up so quickly, although I love watching him learn.
Cate - because I live with MIL she often does it regardless of what I say, and my mum "offered", by offered I mean insisted, luckily for me I dont have an issue standing up to her. Maybe becasue I have very little respect for her or maybe just cause she's my mum not DF's.
Miss E - How's Ash's teeth going now? I really hope you got a better sleep last night.
Jasp - Let us nkow what method that book uses, I would love to get Isaac on a routime if I could. I'm convinced they have nightmares from birth, different to night terrors I know, Isaac sometimes whimpers in his sleep and occasionally wakes up crying. He laughs in his sleep too, very cute.
Maybe it was a recurring dream?
SS - we had a massive oil spill on our driveway (due to the person at the auto shop selling us the wrong oil filter and it blowing off when we started the car )
It was everywhere. We used petrol and something absorbant (dried grass or something to soak up the fuel ) to get it off and it got pretty much all of it. You'd never know it happened.
AFM - We had a horror day yesterday, started off with breakfast, that was the highlight, then DF and me had a huge fight about nothing, I put it down to me being stressed and cranky, also have AF (sorry if TMI) so am pretty hormonal. It really upset Isaac and I dunno if that caused his issues later on or not but he refused to eat, refused to sleep and was generally very tired and grumpy.
He's been increasingly unsettled for a couple of months now though, I think it just made it that little bit worse maybe? IDK. I posted aThread in the hope that someone will have an answer for me
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yep afternoons are definitely harder here, harder to get her to sleep & shorter naps too.
that sounds very difficult I think most people would be having a hard time with that. I hope you can sort something out soon & get some of your own space one way or another
Do you do a dream feed at all? Maybe Ash would then sleep the rest of the night? (fingers crossed!)
so found something else to beat myself up about - I still rock him to sleep for all his naps, and now I feed him to sleep for his night sleep. Am I creating a problem for myself further down the track? Am I making it impossible for anybody but me to put him to sleep at night? What is it that makes us look at what we're doing 'wrong' instead of congratulating ourselves on what we're doing right???
Which means we'll be stuck with them for the next 20 bloody years if we keep going the way we are.
I keep telling him how much I hate it here and need to get out but he refuses to rent saying it's a waste of money and he wants to save for a house, so far nothing has been saved though...
He also did make a couple of more speech like sounds yesterday, by a couple I'm mean about 2, lol, but it's more than I've heard in a few months.
re the nappy changes, I can't say I've thought about it really. I would be happy for Zac's aunties to change him, and like you say, if someone was babysitting, but I've not really been in a situation where there is anyone else around who would actually want to change his nappy!
at the peeing on his face! Boys can be good for a giggle like that, I remember years ago when our boys were little, DH getting a good spray
I'm a bit sad about how fast she is growing. We haven't started solids yet I am just waiting a bit longer. I started all my others at 4 mths (which was pretty much recommended back then) this time around I would like to try BLS. We kind of did it without realising abck then - giving finger foods etc - now I would like to see what happens when we let her really take the lead. I am watching her to see if she is interested - the kids think she is but they just can't wait to start her lol - I think it's just normal 4 month old stuff - she wants to grab anything & put it in her mouth, I do't necessarily think it's food related, kwim? MIL will be here for Christmas & AR will be 5 mths then... I expet MIL will probably try to feed her
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