Babies Born ~ July 1st-15th 2009 #2

liz - the recovery position sounds good, fred is on her back, she likes to spread her arms out and she almost touches the sides. the mattress is still raised to help with her reflux but with the way she is starting to wriggle I might need to lower it soon. Not good about the dry skin spreading all over. Have you tried moogoo? it worked with fred and one of the babies in my mothers group. Her daughter also had cradle cap everywhere and she tried my moogoo at the begining of the session. Two hours later and it had already improved. she went and bought some the next day and now her DD has none. Hope work is going well and blake lets you get some sleep :)

cate - isn't it lovely when they see us and we get a great big smile? melts my heart

storm - certainly sounds cute when they chatter in bed, I love the raspberries but fred hasn't learnt to do them yet.

Ok, trying to be more regular in here, hope everyone is well

Lol Hayley must be the opposite! Or she has been lately...all this week she has been having some long day sleeps - yesterday she slept for 2 hours in the morning then a couple of little naps, and went to bed at 7. The day before I popped her on our bed at 3 so I could have a sleep too, I woke at 6, she woke at 7 and then was back in bed by 8. The last two nights she has slept right through, but she has woken up tonight and I finished feeding her only a few minutes ago. Just waiting for her to go back to sleep before I go back to bed otherwise I'm up and down, which I hate!

I think it might be the heat though, weather has been funny here lately, cool then hot, cool then rainy then hot...the heat must make her sleepy! She only had 4 bottles yesterday too because she slept for so long!

Hey Ladies,

I survived my week alone!! I ended up getting a bit of help from family here and there, which was great.

Eva has suddenly dropped her cluster feeding in the evenings and is now going to bed around 8pm. Most mornings she wakes between 2 and 4 for a feed, although these feeds are still up to 2 hours long. I much prefer her to wake at 2am so I at least get back to sleep for a few hours before my other kids wake up. It seems if she wakes around 4am then there is not point me going back to sleep. I do drift in and out of sleep but it is not a full sleep, so lately my days have been starting at 4am!!!!

I had really hard time of breastfeeding her a couple of weeks ago so we introduced formula. We only used it 4 time now but it does help when I just don't have the time to cluster feed. At least I know she can take formula without any hassels and I am so glad that I don't have to stress about expressing enough for emergencies.

Eva rolled from her tummy to her back yesterday and boy or boy she is vocal...lol I am making plans to move her into a big cot next week, that should be exciting.

Hugs to all

Cat,

Tried the moogoo (but not doing enough). Child Care commented about it, even rang Tim to check we were aware of it and suggested we see a dr about it. Ended up having to get 2 different steriod creams (one for body and one for face) and use QV cream on it as well. It's looking soo much better and we've only been doing it for 2 days now. Dr said it should be cleared up in a week. (reminds me I need to book a follow up appointment for it)

Blake likes sleeping on his back to spread out. But if he starts in recovery he can roll (in his sleep) onto his back and seems fine with it 99% of the time rather than starting him on his back. Mind you this is only during the daytime - night time he's usually fine to sleep on his back. Go figure.:rolleyes:

Work's going reasonably well. I almost wish I hadn't gone on leave because my library assistant has gotten too big for her britches again !!!wall: She's gone backwards in her attitude to staff and students :rolleyes: I had finally got her being reasonable 99% of the time now it's back to maybe around 15 - 20% of the time - bad mouthing of staff/students and thinks she runs the library. (she really shouldn't be any where near a location where any sort of customer service is required.)

eek - we have been quiet lately...we'd slipped onto the second page! hopefully everyone is just busy with their little ones & that's why we've all been quiet!

bek - yay for eva dropping the cluster feeds! and wtg eva on rolling!

cate - how fast have these 4 months gone? and at the same time, so hard to remember life before!

cat - how is grace going this week? was it a wonder week?

daytime naps here are all over the place - corey has been asleep for just over 2 hours now & he slept for 2 & a quarter hours on sunday morning but yesterday he slept for about an hour in total all day. and some days he'll have around 3 40 minute naps during the day. i guess he's still getting used to 'life on the outside'! i'll be interested to see how he goes for the rest of today - after his big nap on sunday morning he only had another 30 mins later in the day & was very grumpy by the time he went to bed :lol:

we're off to get the 4 mth needles tomorrow & then my mother's group has organised to do a baby/children's first aid course & our first session is tomorrow evening. has anyone else done something similar?

ugh, grace fed every two :o hours last night. I seriously need some sleep. I just reaslised this has been going on for over 3 weeks now and it has coincided with me trying to loose weight and cutting back on all my snacks... I wonder if that has something to do with it, or if I should start introducing solids as she seems hungry all the time. I'm calling ABA today to ask what they think...

Off to a mums group now and then to get lumpy... no rest today for me :(

Hi all..

Sarah - daytime naps are a bit all over herre too. I haven't done a first aid course but was thinking about it just the oher day, funny that! I probably should :think:...

Ryatha, hope you get some sleep soon.

Arlea is rolling so much now I have started calling her 'Flipper' :lol: As soon as she is on her back she rolls to her tummy. After a bit she gets cranky though & then we have to 'rescue' her - she's not quite go the hang of rolling back yet, she's only done it a couple of times. She is doing much better at tummy time now though, yesterday she spent around 20 minutes on her tummy!
and she has decided she wants to sleep on her tummy too, last night I put her to bed on her back - she rolled - I rolled her back - she rolled - I rolled her back again & then came downstairs to express - when I got back up she was asleep - on her tummy :doh: we have the Angelcare monitor though so that makes me feel a bit better & there's not much we can do about it now if she wants to sleep like that.

haven't had her weighed yet, they have been busy every time we have gone over, I will take her to the chemist tomorrow :crossfingers: she has gained a bit morethan last time.

Hope everyone is doing well :hug:

jasp - that sounds hilarious, little monkey rolling around like that!

ryatha - oh you poor thing. interesting coincidence - I can't imagine that cutting down on snacks would make that much of a difference though. I hope ABA can come up with some useful advice.

sarah - that's a good idea re the first aid course. I might bring it up with my mothers' group cos I have been feeling a bit naughty for not having done one yet. The other day Zac had a bit of a cough and splutter and went all red in the face and I got a bit panicky, so should really do something constructive about it.

BekZ - I reckon it's good that Eva was happy to take the formula - it will give you a bit of peace of mind I suppose? My nephew refused to take any bottles and I remember how awful it was for my sister to have to BF through a bout of gastro :(

AFM - Melbourne Cup day today so DH was home from work although he had to work yesterday. It's always nice to have him home, however we seem to end up arguing a bit lately - he wants to have some 'personal time' and while I sympathise with that I can't help feeling a bit resentful as it seems like I get no personal time whatsoever - the times that DH does take Z and I can go and do something it's always something highly exciting like the groceries! I love my bubba and DH to bits, but it's a huge adjustment from being independent to having to constantly consider somebody else kwim?

Even though Z is sleeping fairly well most nights I am feeling soooo tired. I just want one 8-hour stretch of blissful, unbroken sleep :pray: hahaha. So I'm off to bed now - nighty night every one!

Jasp - isn't it funny Hayley is exactly the same!! Has mastered rolling from back to front but can't go from front to back, she has done it a couple of times in the last few days, but mostly just gets stuck and starts whinging after a while. she is starting to spend more time on her tummy though and waving her legs around...I think she will be crawling in no time!

cate - I know what you mean about your DH...we are going through the same thing. Guess I feel a little resentful towards DF because it seems like his life hasnt changed at all, if anything he spends even less time at home... he never takes Hayley, except if I have to duck out quickly while she is asleep. He has never bathed her and I cant remember the last time he changed a nappy or gave her a bottle. he would be lucky to spend 10 mins a day with her...it's like well do you want to be involved in your daughters life or not? We have been having a few arguments lately...and I am so sick of him not doing anything around the house.

we had a play date today at a friend's house, she has twin girls about 6 months old, and another friend was there with her little boy who is exactly a week younger than Hayley. they had a great time, we will definitely have to do it more often.

hi all just a quick hello im doing ok. had the kids godfather and son come visit from broadmeddows lastnight left this afternoon enoch and faith are both spending the night with their dad and charity has got a friend over for her 1st ever sleepover her friend who is 4 has never been away from her dad but is doing very well she just camed to me and said she misses her dad who is a single parent so ive asked if she wanted to call him she said no and went back to the bedroom and has ended up in bed with charity hopfully they will go to sleep soon

Hi All, hope everyone is doing well!

Cate and Storm sorry to hear things aren't going to well, hope you guys can work through the issues :hug:

Jasp, yey for Arlea and her rolling! Ash seems to have very little interest in rolling these days. He went from back to front a couple of times a few weeks back, but now doesn't even try. Mind you he seems to love being on his tummy now (how things change, he hated it for months LOL) so I guess he doesn't see the point. He has started trying to commando crawl though. He doesn't get very far, but is definately putting in a lot of effort, so maybe he will skip the rolling all together...

Ryatha hope calling the ABA helped...

Any improvement with the naps Sarah? Ash is also all over the place, some days he doesn't sleep for any more than 30 mins at a time, then other days he'll have a long 2 hour one as well...

How's the cradle cap going Leckert? Have the steroids made any improvement?

Bekz, glad to hear you survived the week. Have you made the move to the big cot yet? We changed Ash over a week ago and he loves being able to spread out and spin around, he was getting pretty squashed in his bassinet. We've also changed our pram over to the seat, I still have him laying back, but now at least he can see out and he is loving it!

AFM I think my AF is coming back. I'm on the mini pill and have had the odd bit of spotting, but the last couple of days it's been pretty consistent. Still not back to a proper period, but I suspect it might be coming. Ash is sleeping through about half the time so it doesn't really suprise me though... Has anyone else had it come back yet?

I'm taking Ash for his 4 month checkup on Friday and can't wait to see how much he has grown. He seems huge these days so it will be interesting to see. Then we're doing his 4 month needles next week, I'm really not looking forward to it because he was a bit unwell for awhile after the last lot. Oh well hopefully he'll do better this time around...

I caught up with my boss last week and have started doing a little bit of work, mostly from home or only for meetings where I can bring Ash into the office with me. So far, so good, it's nice to use my brain for something other than parenting and also nice to know that work still values me. Anyway, we'll see how it pans out over the next few weeks, but at this stage it looks like it could work quite well.

Anyway, better get a move on, I'm expecting Ash to wake up any minute (but who knows, his sleeps are all over the place) and need to start getting dinner organised. Hope everyone else is doing well x

Hi All!
Okay, was on the net then off again, long story but finally we are back on and hopefully it will stay that way! Things have been majorly hectic for us, after moving 3 weeks ago I have now come down with a cold and hoping not to pass it on to Sam, our dog broke his leg and we are having to go back and forth to the vet and need to watch him almost 24/7, and I have been working 2 days a week and just feel quite consumed by everything! Life is chaotic and I have no idea how any of you cope with more than one child!! Anyway, Sam has his favourite toys now and is starting to laugh more and follows people all around the room, its amazing over the last few weeks how much he has woken up to the world. Enough ranting about me..
Cate and Storm - sorry to hear that things aren't so good. It must be really hard when you are having to do everything all by yourself and don't have a break. I know after settling Sam all day when it comes to the evening sleep you just want to give him to someone else to just have a rest and you feel bad because husband has been at work all day himself. For us though, we run the business together so we are both hectic with work so we know that it isn't going to work unless we both tow the line as we are both under huge amounts of stress with running our business and juggling life as well. I really hope things improve and you can talk and sort things out.

Jasp - yay for the rolling over! Sam is the same as Ash it seems as in he was interested last week but this week hasn't shown much interest. He also is only really interested twisting when on his back but not on his tummy.

Our naps are all over the place as well, sometimes 1 hour, sometimes 40 minutes, sometimes 2 1/2 hours!! We are having trouble as he wakes normally somewhere around 2.30 - 3.30pm and he won't sleep again until he goes down at aroun 6.30pm. By that stage he is so overtired it is hard to put him down, tonight he was awake from 2.30pm and I tried putting him down twice but he just wouldn't do it, got himself so worked up. I gave him a bath at around 5.30pm which he loves so I think that wore him out.

Miss excited - I haven't experienced any spotting yet or anything like that but Sam has been sleeping through again for around 2 weeks from 10pm to 6am so perhaps I should be warned it may happen as well!! I know how you feel about work, I am back working 2 days a week with mother in law looking after Sam. It is great having a bit of stimulation but I do miss him! Bit annoyed as she asked me if I was rocking him and I said just to get him tired then I put him down and for some reason she has been putting him straight in and giving him his dummy for a few minutes. I really don't want him to have his dummy to have to go to sleep so I think I might have to say something, other than that she is really good with him.

Anyway, I will stop babbling on, but I will now be back online so hopefully won't write an essay!! Is anyone still wrapping?? We are as I don't think Sam is ready to give that up yet..
Loved reading some of the christmas present ideas! I thought high chair and the fisher price rainforest jumperoo...
Hope everyone is well!:clap:

Blake's dermatitis (aka cradle cap) seems to be clearing up - just a bit on his face and sides left at the moment. It seemed to start clearing up right from the start. Got the cream Wed last week and CC noticed an improvement on the Thursday after one application ... best go he's waking up again ... having issues trying to poop tonight.

:hello:Hi all,
I thought I should make a bit more of an effort to get in here. I never seem to have the time :(
It's been so quiet here lately, I hope everyone is well. :)

We had our 4 month Check-up yesterday, everything is good. :dance:
The doctor said that Isaac probably is teething because of the symptoms lately and he also thought he could feel a tooth coming through - just. Hopefully it comes through soon and he goes back to being my happy little man. How long does it usually take for a tooth to come through once it's started to cut through the gum?

Aside from his teeth he had all his measurements done - lenght = 60 cms, head circ = 40 cms, and weight 6.8kgs :o What a chubba. :lol:

We had to go get some more clothes for him the other day too, He's growing so fast! He's now in target size 0. It's hard work,not to mention expensive,keeping up with his growing.

He's also starting to tolerate tummy time for a bit longer too now. Some days. lol. Hopefully soon he'll start trying to roll over. I think that might be something to do with his grumpiness as well.

Hope your having a great day, TTYS - Hopefully.
Heather.

Just wanted to pop in quickly and share a milestone with you all - Ash rolled from his back to his stomach this morning :clap: He was so proud of himself and loves being on his tummy now. He's done it twice again this afternoon, but still hasn't tried to roll back the other way... guess he's forgotten how...

Miss E - wtg Ash!!! :clap:

Heva - I think we all know how you feel re not having the time! Don't know about the teething, sorry, hopefully it doesn't take too long to pop thru.

jetta - blimey!

storm - it's difficult, isn't it? it just seems so cliched too. I dunno. I fully appreciate that DH brings home the money, and that he has a hard, stressful job, and that what I do might seem like a bit of walk in the park sometimes, but... And I do NOT want to go down the same path that so many other new parents seem to go down, including some we know personally. harrumph!

AFM - Zac has done a couple of awesome night-time sleeps (I'm terrified that I've jinxed it now), but daytime naps are a real struggle. He gets tired and grizzly, but settling him is difficult more often than not. Today we've had one good sleep, plus one which involved 5-10 mins of yelling before he finally nodded off, and then he woke up crying too. Just waiting to see now if he will self settle into this nap, but it's not sounding promising... I'm a little worried as one ear seems to be a bit more waxy than usual and he has rubbed it a couple of times, although he doesn't seem otherwise worried about it. The little girl next door had an ear infection recently...

hmm. might take him to the Dr tomorrow just in case. Although the in-laws arrive tomorrow too!

hugs all round - I reckon we all need and deserve them right now!

jas - how did arlea's weigh in go?

cate - the first aid course was really good. well, we've only done the first of two sessions, but pretty good so far. if you want the details, let me know & i'd be happy to pass them on. the instructor is an ex-ambo & 000 supervisor & specialises in first aid for babies & children. it's only $45 for a 3 hour session.

miss e - wtg ash on rolling!!:clap:
AF came back almost right on 3 months for me. i have no idea why cos i feed about 9 times a day & am still up 3-4 times overnight :dunno: then it came almost 28 days later - more regular than it ever was before :doh: we changed over to our pram seat as well - so nice to see them sitting up a little, isn't it? it must get so boring for them lying flat!

corey had his 4 mth needles on wed, took them like a little trooper & barely cried. i think i hate them more than him :lol:

oops, corey is just waking up from his nap so better be off! hope everyone else is well :)

Hi Ladies, sorry again for being MIA.
I always try to keep up with what everyone's doing but never seem to get the chance to reply.
AFM - Ollie had his 4month health check today. My nickname of "devil baby" was proved! He weighed 6.66kg! He was also 63cm long. Have to go and see the doc about his hips. No one's ever mentioned anything about them before, so I'll be a bit annoyed if they've all missed something.
Having major issues with his sleep. At this point I'd kill for 30-40mins! We're lucky to get 15-20mins during the day. Joy.
G2g, cranky toddler whinging at me. Hope to keep up better!

Good to hear everyone is going well. Fred had her needles last night as well, a few tears but a bb was offered straight away and that cheered her up. Nothing like a good feed :)

ME - Great to hear about ash, fred did the same thing this morning and she looked so surprised that she was on her tummy! we have her sitting up in her highchair and in the pram and she spends so much time peering around everywhere, it is so cute. She has also just started going for the dogs when they get too close to her, it is very sweet.

LF - hope ollies hips are ok.

Sarah - not fun that AF is back. Mine is still MIA but I would feed about 12-13 times a day... don't know if that makes a difference?

cate - those day sleeps sound awful. Get the ear checked out, I used to have the same problem with lumpy and we found out that she had continuous ear infections and it hurt to lie down :( poor poppet had it for ages.

Heva - its good to have a chubba bubba, they look so adorable with chub. We have skinny one here, she is only just growing out of her 000's and in 00's. she is tiny compared to her sister at this age. she is slowly getting chubbier thighs and has a cute little pot belly.

Liz - I hope the dermatitis has continued to go away.

AFM - we seemed to have about 3 weeks of frequent feeding which is just now starting to slow down :dance: but she is now smiles all the time, laughs and if i say aaahhh to her she repeats it back to me and giggles! I could spend all day doing that with her :) If I ask her where dada is or sisis she looks for DH and lumpy. and then flaps her arms and legs. DH has nicknamed them the flailing windmills of death, cause with his broken thumb, if they hit it, he is in a lot of pain.

ok off to watch stargate atlantis, im addicted, it so sad... :redface: hope everyone else is well

Hi Everyone,

Ryatha - that is so gorgeous!! It is so great with they start responding to things. DH pulls this face and makes a noise at Sam and he starts laughing. I love hearing him laugh, it makes me laugh too!

Lotus Flower - Hope everything is okay with the hips, I too would be very annoyed if they missed something, hopefully everything is fine. Gosh 15-20 mins isn't long at all, I am sure that once Ollie starts doing more active things he will start sleeping more, that's what my mother in law says anyway!

Sloane- glad everything went well with needles, ours are in about 2 weeks!

lovely cate - how did the doc go? Hope there is no ear infection, and way to go on the long night sleeps!

AFM Sam still sleeping from 10pm til 6am which is great, started laughing and did his first roll from stomach to back today! Yay! Got it on video too because he was trying for around 20 minutes and kept getting stuck! He is really loving bath time now too!
I can't believe that we are all up to 4 months! Soon we will all be talking solids!!:clap:

Hi everyone,
I dont have much time as Isaac will wake up any minute no doubt. He's had a horrid routine today for some reason, he's sleeping for 15mins, then wake up, play for 10, feed for 10 or 20 then either fall asleep again or get mega grumpy and fussy. Sigh. I'm totally exhausted. I hope he sleeps well tonight and this is just a one off.:pray:

Hopefully You guys are well, was intending to have a proper read but alas didn't hapen again :shakehead:

Hi everyone

Heva, hope things settle for you soon & that he sleeps well tonight! :crossfingers:

Jetta, what great slep you are getting! Sounds like he is doing great!

Ryatha, lol at the 'flailing windmills of death' - ouch! Glad to hear the feeding is settling.

LF hope the sleep improves soon & you can get some rest :hug:

Sloane glad Corey's needles went ok. Reminds me I have to book Arlea's she is due in about 3 weeks....I know what you mean it's all over so quickly for them but regardless, I hate them too :(

Cate, hope Zac's ears are ok , yay for good nighttime sleeping!

MissE, yay for Ash!! it's amazing how quickly their tummy time improves once they start rolling, Arlea still gets cranky if she's there too long but she can do some very big stretches now on her tummy :)
ETA - just having a look at the photos on FB, he is gorgeous! aren't they growing too quickly ....

AFM we are all good, I did quite bit of work this week, maybe too much as I finished out the week feeling a bit overwhelmed :doh: but have had a very nice relaxing day today.
We snuck Arlea onto the scales at the chemist the other afternoon, she was 6450g YAY so almost exactly 500g in 3 weeks, much better than last time - I knew she was growing !
She is trying to sit up now :rolleyes: it's kind of like - ok, I can roll - next trick! of course she's not quite strong enough or well balanced but she strains to sit forward if we have her leaning back in our arms.
I am looking at exersaucer type things on ebay, we had one for DS2 & he LOVED it, so that will be her Christmas present. She loves using her legs too, so I think it is just what she needs atm ;)

Hope everyone else is well :grouphug:

I know I keep harping on about this teething business but now I'm worried.I am sure he Is teething now, but I'm worried he's getting too many at once. Could it cause him problems if he gets too many teeth too early? I think I can feel a few coming through, one at the front and at least one on the left of his mouth a bit further back. :S

Jasp - Isaac pulls himself up when his sitting on my lap too. I never considered he could be trying to sit up properly.

hey guys,

hope the sleeping improves for the non-sleeping bubs!
hayley has been pretty good lately, although she has decided wake up time is now 6.30am...
A couple of days ago she would only sleep for 1/2 hour at a time during the day and by late afternoon she was getting so grumpy! Yesterday she had a huge sleep in the afternoon, 2.30pm until about 5, then slept right through the night from 7.30 to 6.30 this morning, and had about an hour and a half sleep this morning! So some days she has really good sleeps, other days she is terrible!

I weighed her on our Wii Fit a few days ago (we got the new Wii Fit Plus, where you can weigh babies and pets...although it won't register that we are standing on the board with our dog...maybe he's too heavy.). According to that she is 7kg, but I don't know how accurate it is! going to visit the MCHN in the next couple of weeks, just so I can get her weighed and measured. Also need to book her in for her 4 month needles, she is due about now for them. Last time was bad though..I had tears in my eyes she was crying so hard!
She still hasn't figured out how to roll from tummy to back, did see her do it a couple of times but I dont think she realises that she can actually do it. She is starting to spend a bit more time on her tummy though.

Jasp - isn't Arlea clever! Lol. H is starting to do that too...her neck must be quite strong as she tries to lift her head up when she is lying flat, and if she is sitting slightly up (like on a pillow) then she lifts her head up. She is quite well balanced when sitting, I wouldn't let go of her but she can wobble around by herself for a few seconds!

Jetta- how cool you got it on video! We have tried to get Hayley laughing on video but can never catch it at the right moment!

better go, sorry I know I have missed people! Gotta go find something for dinner...

Heva I wouldn't worry too much, I don't think it will cause any problems if she gets a few teeth at once, I am sure one or two of my kids did but they were a bit older. It might just mean she is a bit grizzlier & has a bit of a tough time with it, but at least it will be over with quicker!

Storm I have tried to get the laughs on video too, it's tricky :p

I think I am gonna cry. I just typed a big post and it got swallowed.

Anyway, I was saying that I hope tht you lovely ladies and your little bubbas are all well. 4 months huh? Too hard to believe. I loved looking through and their cute little squishy faces on the tickers.

Phoebe is great, rolling, crawls backwards and belly flops her way around forwards. Wont stay a baby for me at all - evil little daddies girl! Love her to utter bits. Have her album here because I am just tooooooo proud - Facebook Photo Album (feel free to add me if you wish).

We have been busy preparing stuff for xmas but I should be on more now. I sold my laptop and am stuck sharing the desktop with the kids. Oh the joys, lol. Anyways, I will do a proper catch up on everyone next post. Just on compiling some blogs and stuff for a couple of webbies so taking a mental break, lol!

hi everyone
sory for being so MIA - i cant even remember when i last wrote in here. i have had a quick read and it sounds like everyone is doing well.
I cant believe how much all the bubs are up to and where have the last 4 months gone???
My gorgeous little man is great - he is learning to roll - so far just to his side! i think he is half ecited and half frustrated at this! he is a vocal little thing, gurlges, coos and vocalises all day long - so i think he will be a great talker like his brother! he is drooling heaps atm too...
are any of you experiencing the '4 month sleep regression?' Jacob has never slept through but he generally was having maybe 2-3 feeds overnight - say 7.30, 11.30, 3 and then up around 7. now he seems harder to put down and then is v unsettled from 11ish onwards- has been up every hour to 90 mins the last few nights... i am hoping this is normal and i shouldnt be too concerned that something is up or that his good sleep is changing all together? he is great all day - v happy etc. i thought it could be wind pain as he gets quite upset which isnt like him, but it seems to be a pattern... he sleeps a few times in the day for around 40-60 mins a time. i feed on demand.
he is growing beautofully- he is 6.8kg now so i know he is doing well overall...
oh sory i have to go he just woke up... will come bacj and post more (less selfishly) soon!

Took Hayley to the nurse today to get her weighed and measured, just for interests sake! She is now 7.5kg (but that was with clothes/nappy on, so I'd say between 7 & 7.5kg), 63cm long and 43cm head circ. So she is going really well, little chubba bubba!
She's asleep in her bassinette atm, although she almost doesnt fit in there anymore it's just too hot in her cot in our room, even with a fan going. we are going to move house once our lease runs out in december, this house is just too warm for a little baby in summer. Took her a while to settle in there, although she wasnt upset just chatting and giggling away...left her there and she eventually went to sleep!

MamaPan- Hayley has regressed a bit in her day sleeps, night time she is fine although she wouldnt go to sleep until nearly 9 last night, kept crying and waking up when she was almost asleep..but she has been sleeping through until 6.30/7am so I can't really complain! Some nights she still wakes up at 2 or 3 for a feed, and if she doesn't wake for a feed she still stirs during the night so I have to get up and resettle her to sleep even though she isn't awake iykwim.
Her day sleeps the last couple of days have been awful..once she is asleep she is fine, but starts screaming/crying as soon as i go to put her in her cot...i dont know if I'm putting her down when she isn't tired enough, or if she's overtired..dunno but it has been taking 10-20mins to get her to go to sleep.

i think she has a couple of teeth coming through, noticed two little lumps on her bottom gum last night, they aren't at the front though, they are out to the side of her mouth and the lumps are poking out of her gum, not coming up through the top of her gum?!? dont know if that is normal, or if they are just shifting around in there and not actually coming through... got some bonjela and a little baby toothbrush (aren't they so cute and tiny!) today just in case.

She is booked in for her 4 month needles tomorrow afternoon...I'm going to cry! Lol. Not looking forward to it.. do you think i should give her panadol before? mum said she used to give us panadol before we had our needles, and apparently the reaction is supposed to be worse than the first needles they get (she had no reaction). Dont know..i dont want her to be in pain, but I dont want to be giving her medicine unnecessarily..

i dont seem to be able to read any posts here - anyone else?

Hey everyone,
Mamapan - the thread seems fine to me :S Isaac's regressed for his day sleeps as well. It's strange cause he sleeps through the night and wont settle during the day. He'll sleep for 20 or 30 mins max and wakes up still tired and he won't settle at all during the day without his dummy :(
I think I read somewhere that the swelling can be out the side of the gum rather than the top, so it may be very normal, not sure how accurate that info was though. lol

ss-storm - It must be so hard getting a bubba to sleep in the heat, I'm having enough trouble with the day sleeps as it is and our place is normally a pretty good temp.

Inertia - Sounds like Phoebe is doing great, Isaac hasn't figured out he can move I don't think and he doesn't seem to care he can't get around, he's quite happy to lie around(alot like his daddy really :lol:), although not on his belly. I had a look at your pics, she's gorgeous.

Jasp - Your probably right I've read and seen a few horror stories about crowded mouths. Note to self: stop googling stuff :wall:

AFM - sleeping has been a little better today, had a couple of longer sleeps. I'm wondering if maybe he's becoming more aware of his surroundings and the sunlight is keeping him awake, we only have some dodgy vertical blinds over our windows. I've also started keeping a diary of everything that happens during his day, to see if I can identify a reason. So far all I've discovered is he has basically no routine at all. He used to, I'm sure of it. :s
Anyone know how I can get him out of the habbit of needing his dummy to got to sleep during the day? If I dont give it to him he just screams and wont go to sleep. :(

Hope I didn't miss anyone, and you all had a lovely day :)

Hey all,

re panadol for vax ... read somewhere (recently - maybe Adelaide Advertiser?) not to give panadol for the sake of it as it doesn't help or something (will have to go see if I can find an online version - was a report about a medical study - i'll get back to it)

we had our first rolls today! Front to back - Ds has to lift head up really far and then almost fall over to do it. Missed the first 2 cause I was at work but he did it on demand when I got home. DH saw the first ones:doh:

best go see if DS wants a feed as my finger is getting chewed off (might be a nappy change though.

Mamapan - our sleeps at night are okay, once he is down. We are having real trouble on some nights putting him down. At present wakes at 6am, goes down about 7.30am and usually sleeps for a good 2 hours, up around 10am for another feed, then down around 11.30am or 12pm or thereabouts and then gets up again somwhere between 12.30 and 2pm depending on the day. Another feed then he usually only naps for around 1/2 hour at this stage, this is a hard time to get him to sleep and usually takes the longest to settle. Then he gets up around 3-4pm and then won't settle again at all. By around 5.30pm he is quite whingy so bath time then a feed at 6pm and then try to settle off to sleep by 6.30pm. Sometimes he is a breeze to put down, othertimes it takes up to an hour to settle him. Once he is settled though, I feed and nappy change at 10pm and then he sleeps through to 6am. Sounds like he is happy like you said, so I wouldn't worry, I would worry if it affected him during the day as well and he was grumpy or upset etc

Congrats Leckert on the roll! Glad you got to see one! It is tough being back at work isn't it? How are you coping? I am back two days a week and I miss Sam so much. He is with his nana which is great but still.

Heva5 - i know the sunlight annoys Sam in the afternoon sleep, his room is very very light but I do think it is good for them to get use to sleeping in a light room as well.

Ss Storm- sounds like Hayley is going great guns! We had to get air con installed in Sams room as his room gets sun all day long. His room the other day was already up to 27 degrees so air con on although he has some dry skin patches so the air con isn't helping. Good luck with the needles! We need to go next week...I didn't have any worries with Sam last time but everyone says these ones are worse!

I wouldn't give panadol unless necessary. I don't like the idea of giving them things that they may not need, but definately if Sam was very upset then I would

AFM Sam is going well, the dog needs picking up all the time even to go to the toilet so between Sam and the dog, like is pretty busy. Sam is rolling a few times a day now and does enjoy being on his tummy a lot more. Loves sticking everything in his mouth too. Is anyone still wrapping?? I am wondering when to stop??

Hi everyone, just a quick one from me before I get motivated & do some work :lol:

Inertia, good to hear from you, I was wondering how you were :) Your Phoebe is gorgeous! loved checking out the photos on FB..I think your privacy settings might be a bit high though to add you? There is a group on there that MissE started BB bellybuddies due July 1st to 15th, a few of us are there :-)

- speaking of which , Jetta I found you on there :) Glad to hear Sam is going well. We stopped wrapping a couple of weeks ago, around when she started rolling, I am glad we did as she has decided she wants to tummy sleep. The first few days she was startling a bit but she goes fine without it now - it was a great sleep cue in the early days but I think she just recognises bedtime now IYKWIM?

Leckert yay for rolling! :clap: it is hard when you are working, I am always worried I might miss something, only back in the office 4 hours atm but it will be 2 days next year... what a clever girl to repeat on demand when you got home!

Mamapan, sleep is ok here but she is having shorter day sleeps...not quite 4 months yet though so we will see. Could it be a wonder week for J? I can't remember when they are due... AR had one at around 3 months, very unsettled at night for 3 or 4 nights & then fine again. Her feeds at night are a bit more frequent, 3-4 hours but she settles well after. Sh eis becoming quite chatty too :) so cute isn't it!

Heather - the dummy thing - I have no idea :lol: sorry, my first two had dummies until they were about 2.5, DS2 had none at all but he had my boob - TBH I'd prefer the dummy, lol. If it's not really a problem for you I wouldn't worry too much, but if you really want him off it maybe try some other settling techniques, patting etc?
WRT teeth, I wanted to add too - when DD1 was about 9 or 10 we were convinced she was going to need braces , her teeth were horribly crowded & crooked, but her jaw grew to accomodate them & it's all good now. So don't worry too much if it's a bit crowded when he's young ;)

Storm re panadol for vax - I always did it with my younger ones but I have heard these days you don't need to. With the younger kids it was the GP who advised me to do it - but they are always studying something & advice always changes. I think I gave it to her last time, the problem is you can never tell really whether it helps or not... I wouldn't think it could hurt just for vax? Then again if you want to wait & see how she is, she might not need it?... good luck...it's just as bad for us I'm sure.

AFm little miss has a cold :( her big brother gave it to her, so frustrating I am always telling him not to kiss her , not to get too close to her face etc but he never listens until he IS sick & of course by then it's too late, all the germs have been passed already.
Anyway it's nothing too bad, just a snuffly nose, hopefully it will be over soon.
I have my younger sister coming to stay for a couple of days next week with her LO who is 5 weeks old, it will be nice for her to get out & lovely for us to spend some time with the babies together!
I'm freaking out at how close Christmas is, I haven't done anything yet....

Hi Mummies and Bubbies

I haven't been in for a while either and now there is too much to catch up on but from what I have read everyone's bubs seem to be going really well.

Mamapan - Amelia has been waking up more than usual overnight and I put it down to her immunisations (we had it on Thursday). She also starts screaming crying like she is in pain or got a huge fright the last couple of days at odd times. Was a bit of a worry but she seems ok now. She was waking up almost every hour overnight for 2-3 nights but we are back to around 3 now.

Well, like I said we had immunisations last Thursday and she cried a little but otherwise was fine (no temp). She weighed in at 6.8kg and 63cm long so going along nicely.

Amelia wants to put everything in her mouth and chew on anything she can get her hands on so we might have teeth on their way. She gets cranky when she is chewing on a toy sometimes.

Ryatha - did you try solids yet? The nurse last week said there has been a change in the thinking of solids and can now start from 4 months to see how they go.

ss_storm - we are off to Wagga this weekend to visit Nan and some friends (first time they will meet Amelia) but it is soooo hot there at the moment. Can you please do a rain dance to cool things down before we get there :)

Lol Tinsel i will try but no guarantees! It's meant to get to 38 today, and much the same for the rest of the week. Have already turned the air con on for the day..have started putting Hayley in her bassinette (which is in the lounge room where the air con is) for day sleeps as our room is just way too hot...hurry up December so we can find a new house to move into!

Man has she been grumpy today...just put her down for another sleep (about her 3rd one today!), tried to give her a bottle but every time I sat down she started screaming again. I think eventually she just crashed out, I was standing up rocking her and her head was up, I think she was watching the tv, then her head just flopped onto my shoulder. Lol. Peace and quiet finally..who knows for how long! Hopefully she'll have a decent sleep and wake up nice and happy again..only to go and get jabbed..lol life is tough!

Hi all,

Have to make it quick cos I think Ash is going to wake up any minute now... We had his 4 month shots last night and it was awful. He started crying the minute they tried to give him the oral one and then just got more and more hysterical. Probably didn't help that the were holding his head while they tried to force him to have the oral. In hindsight I wish I had of intervened, no wonder he got so worked up! I got DH to hold him while they did it, cruel I know, but I don't want him thinking I would inflict that on him (poor DH). Next time I think I'm going to take him to my GP. Today he's got a mild fever and is very grizzly, but hopefully it will pass. I have given him some panadol this morning, but will see how the rest of the day goes. I was told that there is no point giving them the panadol before hand because the reaction won't occur for at least six hours afterwards. I've also found last time and this time that the fever doesn't set in till the next day.

We also had his 4 month check up last week. He's spot on for the 50th percentile in height (63cm), weight (6.7kg) and head circumference (can't remember now).

Jetta, just this week I've stopped wrapping Ash. I tried weaning for a couple of days and then yesterday just decided to get rid of it all together for day sleeps. His first two naps were okay, but I find it takes much longer for him to settle as he wriggles around and rolls over again and again. I'm trying to perservere, but will see how he goes. Now that he is rolling he does roll on to his tummy in bed so I really would like not to have to use them anymore. Mind you, before when he woke up I rocked him back to sleep and noticed that when I put him down in his cot he still had his startle reflex, but I rocked the cot each time and he fell back asleep and has been for 25 mins so maybe it isn't a problem. Anyway we will see how we go, not sure if I'm confident enough to try a night sleep at the moment. The last couple of nights he has woken up crying at around 1pm (he never wakes before 4am) so I'm reluctant to do anything that might affect his night sleep anymore.

Sorry for the lack of personals ladies, but better run before he wakes again. Hope everyone is well x

cant remember who it was but re panadol - I've found personally that if I take panadol too often then I start to become resistant to it, ie have to take 2 tabs instead of one cause it stops working. I dunno if that happens to anyone else but something to consider?

leckart - Hooray for first rolls :D how exciting.

Jetta - I stopped wrapping when Isaac was about 1 month I think, but that was because when he was wrapped within about a minute he always managed to at least get his arms out, if not unwrap himself altogether. lol.

Jasp - Sorry to hear about your LO's cold. :( Hope she feels better soon. OMG Christmas, tell it to come back later I can't afford it yet. The only reason I dont want him to have a dummy is.. ok two reasons.. He can't put it back in on his own yet so I dont want him to become dependant on it for night time sleeps and wont settle without it. If it falls out he has to cry for me to put it back in, which at 3am is not favourable. The other thing is I dont want him to have it in his mouth all the time because I dont want it to inhibit his language developement. ... wow sounding a little paranoid. lol.

ss-storm - thats what isaac does when he's really tired, he only lets me stand and hold him upright, any other position and he chucks a big tanty. I put his dummy in, pat him, rock him a bit, get him sleepy, then lie him down, rock him some more then take his dummy out and try and feed him again. It's worked so far.

MissE - the only time Isaac's had any needles was when he was in the hospy and got the heel ***** test. He was so upset and I felt soo bad that I let them do it to him, thinking I should be protecting him from it rather than holding him down so they can get enough blood. I must have been awful. We're not immunising (thank goodness. I don't think I could handle it) so I totally sympathise with you.

AFM - we have a little toy frog that hangs from Isaac's bouncer and plays music when you squeeze its head. Today he discovered that if he pulls on the tag or its leg he can make the music play ALL BY HIMSELF!! :D He was doing it over and over agian for about an hour lol. He is so clever I'm so proud of him. :loveshower: I didn't even know it did that lol
He also is starting to show he recognises simple words like "up" - he knows were going to pick him up and gets ready to hold up his head, "ta" - he lets go of whatever he's holding, usually my hair :lol:, and he's starting to try and say mumum and dadad - no sounds yet but he's watching our mouths and trying to copy the movements. :D
His sleepings been alot better today too. *breathes sigh of relief* thank goodness.

Anyway, after writing my novel :lol:, I'm off to have my lunch. Hope everyones having as good a day as us so far.

xoxo

ss_storm - much the same here today. I was having a mini meltdown this morning because Amelia just would go to sleep even though she was so exhausted. She kept rubbing her head over and over and friends tell me now that maybe she was hot and uncomfortable. It is hot here today and I have the fan on in her room but maybe she was too hot. She has been asleep for the last 2 hours thank goodness and I keep checking on her but thankfully she seems ok. The problem when she is that unsettled is that half the day is gone and now I don't want to disturb her so grocery shopping will have to wait until later.

Heva - isn't it amazing when our little ones do something all by themselves. I love having the proud mummy moments. Sounds like you have a clever little man there. We didn't really want to introduce the dummy this time but our motto is "whatever works" and as Amelia wanted to suck all the time, we gave her the dummy to soothe when her hand didn't work for her. DD1 still has the dummy but only for sleeping and we didn't have any trouble really with her waking up for it to be put back in when she was a baby. Usually once she was asleep she would spit it out and all was fine. My bug bear is seeing toddlers talking with a dummy in their mouth. I really want to wean her off it as she will be 2 next month.

Miss excited - that is awful that the immunisations didn't go so well for Ash. I think that's the last rotovirus now so he shouldn't be traumatised next time. It is always sad when I see my little ones cry when the needles go in. I shed a few tears myself when I had to take DD1 in and I was pg with DD2 (very emotional I was). It gets harder to hold them when they are toddlers especially when they know what is going to happen.

I better go check on little miss and do some more housework.

Its a hard one with the dummy. We use it occasionally, sometimes in the afternoon when Sam is a lot harder to settle and I always have one in the pram or when I am out in case of an outburst!! I have a friend who just refused to use one and I don't know how she coped!! There are certainly days when it really just settles them and comforts them and you have had enough of crying and screaming!

Tinsel - it is hard with the heat, Sam's room gets sun all day long and we had to install air con becuase the room is already hitting temps around 27 degrees. I don't think he likes the heat at all and is certainly harder to settle when it is hot. The problem with the air con, is he has dry patches on his face and the air con is not helping. I can't get rid of them even though I am putting sorbolene cream on several times a day, but at least his room is a comfortable temperature - wait til we get the bill!!

Heva - sounds like Isaac is coming along great guns! Amazing that he is starting to pick up on words. Sam has a lot to say and copy him sometimes and then have conversations other times, it will be so great when he starts communicating with words.

Miss excited - that is what I was worrie about, the rolling thing. Sam isn't rolling all the time yet but getting there and I thought if he rolls over when wrapped he won't have his arms to help lift his head up. He is self settling for his morning sleep at the moment and like you he is sleeping from 10 til 6am and I SOOOO don't want to disturb that!! The morning sleep I get so much done but I do have to do it some time so perhaps if he is self settling that sleep i could try one arm or something. It is hard when you are just starting to feel like you are getting a rythem with them and now you have to throw something in the mix that might change everything! I hope both you and Ash are feeling better after the needles. We have to have ours next week and I guess now that they are far more aware it is going to be tough. Don't worry I will be making hubby hold Sam too!!
Jasp - hope the cold gets better soon!

Off to take the second child( the dog) to the vet to get his cast changed again. Had my personal training session yesterday and got absolutely flogged so I am very tired today!!

wow - after a quiet week last week, it's really taken off in here!

I don't think I've got time to do personals, sorry...

Zac had been sleeping really well at night, but has started waking again. It's not too bad if he wakes around 3am or 4am and then sleeps until 6am, but yesterday it was 1am and then 4am - and didn't go back to sleep until 7am - and this morning it was 3am and then 4.45am, not back to sleep until 7am... and his day sleeps have gone to hell - he's awake for up to 3 hours, but in the last couple of days he goes to sleep and then wakes up screaming, looking absolutely terrified! The afternoons seem particularly bad. Yesterday I managed to get two short sleeps out of him by just letting him lie on my lap. I guess the heat's not helping, although we have air con in his room. Then he went down fine last night...

This morning he woke up screaming again so I rocked him back to sleep and have left him in the big bed, where he seems quite happy. I don't think he's sick - he seems otherwise fine and very happy, but it's like he's having nightmares, poor thing.

And he seems to be super hungry again - wants feeding again before 3 hours is up.

so confusing!! And I feel so bad for him when he gets sad and upset :-(

Sorry about the pity party... better go while he's still asleep and try to get some stuff done. Hope everyone is doing better than we are right now!