Babies Born ~ July 1st-15th 2009 #2

I had a whole post written up, then went to post and it lost it. So I'll do my best to remember what I wrote...

Cate - That's exactly how I feel, it's one thing after another. I tried rolling Isaac on his side this morning and he screamed. lol. I guess he didn't like it.
Hadn't thought of freezing them, I'll give that a shot next time. I've already given some of them back to him so not much point now.

Jetta - :rofl: Lucky you said something I was just trying to work out how to fit Isaac in a freezer bag as I read your post. (I'm joking of course.)
No offence taken. I had thought about that myself. The boy was about 5, so alot older. Still could have caught something though. I don't think he was chewing the toys given that he was 5 but you never know, I wasn't there :lol:
I loved reading the births that went exactly as planned. It helped me to believe in myself and reasured me that I could have the birth I wanted. I did mine for me mostly anyway, and loved recounting it all and found that I actually enjoyed the experience despite being in so much pain at the time. lol. Wierd I know.

SS - :hugs: Maybe you could find some articles about how CC affects babies and give them to your DH to read? Why does he think like that anyway? Was that how he was raised? I don't understand how people can just let their babies CIO, it breaks my heart to hear Isaac cry. Not that I'm judging people that do do it, just saying I never could.
You've really had it rough lately :hug: As Cate said your doing a wonderful job, hopefully things get better soon.

Sloane - Our babies were born on the same day :partysmiley:
I'm not sure whether the air con helped or not. I think he went to sleep a bit quicker, probably because we were walking around. He didn't sleep for as long though, I don't think, probably because of the noise.

Miss E - You could try staying in the room but not looking at her. Starting of right next to her then gradually moving further away each/ each couple of sleep time/s until your out the door. IYKWIM? It was an idea I heard or read somewhere ages ago. Dunno if it works or not.

Miss E, Sloane - Great stories. I just love reading the birth stories.

Liviam - Welcome Can't wait to hear more about you and your family.

Naomi - big :hug:'s

AFM - [vent] Isaac had just gone to sleep after 20 or so mins of crying and squirming then DF who had been doing the housework said I'm gonna do the vacuuming. I asked him to wait until Isaac woke up and he said that I can do it then because he was on a roll and didn't want to stop. I asked why he couldn't just wait and do it when Isaac's awake and he got all stroppy with me and is now walking around the house all huffy at me while he does other stuff. *sigh* 3 times today he's cracked the poo's with me for no reason. Apparently it's too much to ask that we have just one day when one of us isn't grumpy or upset about something. [/vent]

Had a fairly decent sized breakdown in the parents room at the shops yesterday. Just so over the living arrangements, having no money, feeding and sleep problems with Isaac, etc. Probably not the best time or place for it :lol: but I felt much better after getting everything out
We got home at about 4pm and I was exhausted so I layed down in bed with Isaac for a feed and a nanna nap. I only got woken up when DF came in to go to bed at about 10:30 :o So I gave Isaac a quick top up feed, changed his nappy and put his pj's on. He slept through all of this, so I put him to bed and went back to bed myself. He woke up at 2 and 4 am, had a feed and went back to sleep both times. Then didn't wake until 7am. Must have been nackered. I'm thinking he didn't sleep very well at the shops.

He's been sleeping fairly well today, I think he's getting overtired and that's why he's not feeding and settling properly. I'm trying to notice the very first tired signs and put him to bed as soon as I do. I'm also going to try the feed, play, sleep routine instead of waiting until he seems hungry because he's usually getting tired by this point too. It worked well for the first sleep this morning, second sleep I was in the shower when he was getting tired and DF doesn't really know what to look for until he's overtired, so didn't put him to bed. Then third sleep I was writing up (and loosing) my post on BB and didn't realise he was getting tired :redface: (oops, bad mummy). So next playtime I'm going to be much more attentive.

Jetta- nope we haven't started food yet, will do that after Christmas I think. I don't think she is waking up because she is hungry though, she doesn't seem any hungrier than normal. i think she's just going through a crappy sleep period! She was better last night although she didn't go to sleep properly until about 8. Slept until 3am when I was trying to roll her off her tummy as she was right down the end of the cot lying sideways and looked a bit stuck..plus i don't really want her sleeping on her tummy just yet.
No birth story is boring! I think it's amazing how everyone's story is so different, not one birth is the same!

Welcome Liviam! Good to see you around, have been wondering how you are going. I think all the mums with more than kid are amazing, I am so tired and flat out all the time with just one! I guess you just learn to cope though, but you do a great job.

Miss E- I hope Ash's sleeping gets better...Hayley has gone back to short day sleeps again too. She was having two to three one hour sleeps a day, sometimes she would have a 2 - 2 1/2 hr sleep which was great (for me!). but now she is back to 3-4 sleeps a day. Once she wakes up I cant get her to go back to sleep as she just lies there giggling and smiling at me. Lol. i do that with getting her to sleep too, I can't stay in the room with her as she just looks at me and doesn't even look like going to sleep.

Naomi- sounds a bit crazy at your place at the moment, I hope both your boys settle down for you soon! Do you have any family or friends close by that could mind either one of the boys, or both of them just for a couple of hours so you can take a break?
Your poor DP too, that's not much notice, especially right before Christmas. Very bad timing!

Heather- I can't believe some random kid would start playing with Isaac's toys! Some people sure are weird..I never knew about freezing toys either, although I don't think I could fit any in our freezer, we only have the fridge freezer which is not very big and usually stuffed to the brim!
That's so annoying with the vacuuming, although I would love it if my DF picked up the vacuum cleaner occasionally...he has trouble picking his clothes up off the floor... I do hate it when his phone goes off though, of course it's always just when I've put Hayley to bed and he has the most annoying ringtone- it's a police siren, which is really loud so wakes her up every time. If the ringing doesn't wake her up it's him talking on it (because you know when you are on a mobile you have to talk 5 times as loud...).
Yay for your big afternoon nap though, you must have felt refreshed after that! Poor little mite must have been tired!

AFM we went to visit Santa today!! He had a real beard too. Hayley was great, did a few huge smiles and started chatting away to Santa! She was so cute. We can pick the photos up on Saturday so I can't wait for that.
Our moving plans have been moved forward, we are now going over tomorrow to sign the lease and pick up the keys, and we'll start moving stuff on Friday and hopefully by the end of the weekend we'll be all done. Not looking forward to the cleaning, packing and unpacking I don't mind and actually enjoy most of it. I just don't know how I'm going to get the cleaning done with Hayley.
Will post some photos of the house on Facebook, i can't believe how nice it is, it's on a huge block with fenced front and back yards so tons of space, and it's only $250 a week! Which will be cheaper than where we are now as it's going up to $270/week. A house like that in Wagga we would probably be paying close to $400/week for it. I think we would be stupid not to move!

Have been reading & not posting :redface:

Storm, good luck with the move this weekend :) it will be so good to be moved & settled in for Christmas.

Heather what a big sleep! you must have both needed it! It's good to get it all out sometimes I dont think it mattes too much if you're in the mothers room... you know most of them have 'been there' too

Naomi what a bummer about your DH's work :( hopefully something else even better will come up....

MissE good luck with the spaced soothing, hope that starts working soon - and with a minimum of fuss ;)

Hi Liviam & welcome :hello: good to have you with us!

Jetta that's awesome that Sam is self-settling so well! We haven't got our tree up yet, I have to work out where to put it first! hopefully this weekend.

AFM I have a cold or tonsillitis or something & :pray: she doesn't get it, sore throats are horrible for babies when they can't tell you what's wrong but so far so good ...
Arlea is great, she had her 4 mth needles on Friday & was fine, no huge weight gain but I have given up watching her gains, she LOOKS very healthy & normal to me & is obviously thriving. She has started getting up on all fours :o sometimes on her hands & knees & other times on her hands & toes like she's doing a pushup! and getting to where she wants to go. So we might have to baby-proof everything a bit earlier than we thought.. she is mobile now & it won't be long before she is into everything!

I'm going to go & read everyone's birth stories... I have been thinking about doing mine but wondered if I had left it too late...maybe I'll have another go

:grouphug: hope everyone & their babies are well

wow jasp! arlea really wants to get moving... NOW!! Hayley can squiggle backwards a metre or so, she could probably go further but by that time is sick of being on her tummy, or gets frustrated she cant reach her toys anymore! she also waves her arms and legs like crazy and balances on her tummy like she is trying to go forwards.

jasp - love the photo of Arlea in your sig - she really does look like she wants to get into everything! Hope you start feeling better soon.

Liviam - welcome, looking forward to getting to know you.

ss-storm - I can't imagine trying to move house with a baby! So pleased for you - sounds like a great place. I'll be thinking of you this weekend.

Heva - what happens in the mothers' room, stays in the mothers' room I reckon! Just like in this forum - you're talking with people who understand!

doesn't it sound like we're all having a bit of a rough patch at the moment? I suppose with babies all hitting similar developmental stages, plus the time of the year...

I'm wondering whether we've just come through a wonder week (felt more like a wonder month...) - Zac has been rolling onto his tummy like a crazy thing today. He went from tummy to back a month or so ago, but only repeated it a few times, but in the last few days has been building up until today it was like he had a magnet on his tummy! The only thing is, he appears to have forgotten how to roll onto his back now :doh:

Actually had a reasonable night's sleep last night - probably a combination of factors: he went down a bit later than usual after a late afternoon nap (does anybody else find the afternoon naps the hardest?), I managed to get quite a bit of formula into him during the day, and I put him in a Grobag that my SIL lent me. He only woke once, at about 3.30, so :pray: we can have another night like that!

Anyhow, I'd better go - got plenty of ironing, dishes, blah blah to do :hide:

So tired this afternoon, will definitely be an early night! Lucky there are leftovers from last night for dinner, don't think I have the energy to even think about cooking.
We did one load today, DF had a trailer on the back of the 4wd and I took a bit of stuff in our other car, but not much fits in once there is a pram in the boot and a car seat in the middle!
DF wants to do 2 loads a day but I don't think I can, it's too tiring and Hayley is quite cranky this afternoon although she won't go to sleep, so I don't think it's fair on her either to try and push it.

Cate- as hard as it is going to be, I reckon it's easier moving now while she is fairly happy to play by herself and roll around on the floor looking at things, rather than when she is crawling or walking and getting into everything. Can just imagine everything I'm packing coming back out of the box as fast as I put it in there! Must remember to take her rocker with me tomorrow, she is quite heavy now (or my arms are just weak!) that I can't carry her for too long.

Liviam your William shares a birthday with Ash. It's quite funny, he's also discovered his doodle recently. Loves to play with it, mind you he doesn't get any nappy free time so it's really only in the bath or at nappy change time (which can be messy when there's a poo!).

Naomi I hope today has been a little better for you :hug:

Heva sorry to hear you had a bit of a rough day, hope today has been better. I'm also finding if I miss Ash's initial tired signs he's quickly getting over tired these days and becoming a nightmare to settle. If I get him at the right time though he goes down really easily.

Storm, good luck for the move. I think you're right, doing it now while you can pop her down and stay in the one place will be much easier than if you had of left it a couple of months. I really want to take Ash for Santa photos, we went to the shopping centre on Saturday but the line was a mile long. I keep meaning to pop in during the week when hopefully it will be shorter.

Jasp, how exciting, sounds like she's not far off crawling now. Ash is also starting to get up on all fours, but can't put his head up at the same time iykwim. We were over at a friends place the other day and she has one of those shag rugs. It was great, he was able to get some really good traction on it and was making real moves. At home he doesn't get nearly as far.

lovelycate glad to hear you got a good nights sleep, hopefully its the start of a new pattern. Ash was the same with his rolling, he did the tummy to back a couple of times and then pretty much forgot how to. About a month later he started doing back to tummy, but it took him a week or two to work out how to get back to his back again.

AFM all is going really well. We have had a few naps of late where it has been horribly hard getting him to settle (hence my debrief yesterday). It's all about the timing though I think, if I get him down at the right time he self settles really easily. But if I miss that little window then it becomes a battle that lasts 45 minutes or so. I think it probably has a lot to do with him no longer being wrapped. Mind you his night sleeps have been going great, he's slept through every night for the last couple of weeks which has been fantastic. Like a lot of the others he's discovered his feet in the last week or so and has just managed to get them in his mouth. He's started sitting up really well too. I put my breastfeeding pillow around him incase he falls, but he can now sit up unassisted for a good five minutes or so.

Anyway, better run, hope everyone is well x

hi everyone
so sorry i have been pretty MIA - my computer has been broken so i have been lurking on my I touch but find it too hard and time consuming to write too much - laptop is fixed now so you can expect me back in full force!
I wont do all the personals now - too much to catch up on... but I will try to stay on top of things.
A lot has been happening with us... mainly that we have decided to move back to melbourne early next year - sooo exciting! so those of you in melb we will have to meet up some time. in the meantime i have a lot to do to get things arranged! we will be back in feb/mar ready for me to go bak to work in mar/april.
Jacob is doing well - though he is quite far behind lots of your bubbas in the physical things. he still isnt rolling... he goes onto his side but that's it! we have noticed his arms are quite stiff so we are referred to a physio who may help with that. the nurse said not to worry unless he isnt rlling at 6 months and he is super alert/babbles heaps etc so i am not too worried! we started solids this morning - a little bellamys and some pear - he had about 1 tsp...
the nurse thinks i should up his calorie intake during the day so i am ofering more feeds and she also wants me to move to 2 solids a day soonish - this is bc he is waking veery 90 mins to 2 hrs and feeding thru the night - this is KILLING me! i hope this helps - he is apretty good self settler so i dont get why he is so bad at night.
so that's us in a nutshell!
SS - yay for the house - how long is one trip down there? i think 1 a day is sufficient! would it work to just send DF - he woudl get more room for stuff and Hayley wouldnt get so tired. they are getting heavy now arent they - my little man is about 7.3kg! are things ok with DF now?
Miss E - the shag rug shuffle sounds gorgeous! J is also moving aroudn alot when he is on the floor... and in his cot!
Liviam - nice to see you in here.

Mamapan - good to see you back! I am amazed at how far some babies are along as well! Sam is only just rolling from back to side and onto tummy, a few weeks ago was doing tummy to back but doesn't do that now. Hope the solids mean that you start getting more sleep during the night.

Miss E - sounds like things are improving which is great. Sam is a bit the same with naps and can be really hard to settle if I miss the window but sounds like Ash is really coming along - that is amazing that he is looking at getting up on all fours. I know what you mean with the traction. I have a sheeps skin on the floor under his play gym and if he has no pants on it gives him fairly good grip but we are just starting rolling now!! I am giving Sam some practice at sitting up too but he does fall. HOpe Ash is enjoying the jumperoo! Sam is learning that there are things around him so is trying to turn around. We call it his master tower, as it looks like he could press buttons to end the world!!

SS Storm- so know what you are going through, as only did a month ago myself! It will be great once its over, just make sure you don't overdo it and look after yourself!

lovelycate - glad sleep went well, lets hope it keeps up!!

Jasp - hope you feel better, I cant' believe how far ahead Arlea is!! That is amazing! Baby proofing is going to be a lot of work!

Heva5 - hope you are okay. I agree that what happens in the parents room stays in the parent room. Glad you got it all out too. Hope things start getting better soon.

Naomi54 - hope everything works out with the job, I can't imagine how stressful that is. I often feel like I don't know what Sam wants and it always makes me feel like I am a bad mother. Who at 4 months doesn't know what their child wants. But sometimes it is hard. I have spoken to many mothers who say you never work out what they want all the time. Some of their cries do sound similar. You aren't alone!

Welcome Liviam! I look forward to hearing about you and your bub!

Okay, long post as so many people had written!! I cant' believe how far along some bubs are! Sam is just rolling more now from back to side and then onto front and weeks ago was rolling from stomach to back but hasn't done that for ages. He is laughing and loves pressing buttons and pushing things which is great watching him. My husband worked from home today so we had a great day watching him playing and listening to all his noises! Anyway, am wondering if Sam can cut back to 5 feeds. He has a 4pm and then 6pm feed which are close together as the 4pm feed is more of a top up from around 1pm. I guess I have to try and if he wakes up in the night then I guess he hasn't had enough. Amazing that around this time last year I found out I was pregnant! Can't believe that it has been a year!!

SS - I'm totally grateful that he did a big clean up. He does most of the cleaning and leaves pretty much all the baby stuff to me. If someone else in the house did something to help with the h/w that'd be great but if Jesse or I don't do it nothing gets done. For example the carpets hadn't been vacuumed for a few months :o because neither of us had time to do it. It's just wrong. Theres 5 adults living in this house and were the only ones who do any housework Granted the others go to work but still we are busy and get tired too :(
it just annoyed me that he refused to wait until Isaac was awake. It's not like we were going anywhere or had anything we needed to do.
I agree it would be alot harder if she was crawling. We're going to have to move early in the year, not looking forward to that. Moving house is stressful enough without having a baby rolling around the place.
Can't wait to see the pics, the house sounds lovely.

Jasp - As long as she's happy and looks healthy then no need to worry IMO. OMG! I can't believe she's getting up on all fours already.

Cate - I definately find the arvo sleeps harder. Actually everything about the afternon is harder. I dunno if that's cause I'm more tired or if Isaac's harder to settle.

MammaPan - Isaac seems way behind the others too. He's only just managing to roll on to his side and gets stuck because his arm is in the way. He still doesn't tollerate tummy time for too long either. I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever get there. lol.

Jetta - Has it been that long?! :o I can't believe it either. I was just saying to someone the other day, it feels like only yesterday that I had Isaac, but it feels like he's been here forever.

AFM - I'm getting a little worried that Isaac seems to be falling further and further behind your little ones. He has stopped saying speech sounds like he was a couple of months ago, now he just makes noises, IYKWIM? It seems like a backwards step.
He still doesn't tolerate tummy time very well and gets really tired and cranky after just a few mins.
It's probably fine but it just doesn't seem like he's getting anywhere. :S I'll have a talk to the doctor about it at his 6 month check up. He'll probably just say it's normal like every other concern I raise with him but still.

I'm getting really sick of the IL's not respecting my rights as a parent. I told FIL I did't want Isaac put in the bean bag and he did it anyway when I wasn't there. It's no so much that specific thing that is angering me. More the fact that both MIL and FIL are quite happy to totally ignore anything I say and do what they want anyway. FFS I'm his mother, if I say don't do something then DONT DO IT! It's not that hard to comprehend. It's not like he needed to be in the bean bag.
They had thier turn to be parents, now P off and let me do my job. If I can't trust them to respect my wishes when I'm in the house, then how can I ever trust them alone with him? I bet when it comes to them wanting to babysit him I'll be the unreasonable one not trusting them to look after him.

I hate feeling like a prisoner in my own house. I can't wait until we have a space of our own. MIL is talking about the next house having a granny flat or seperate area for us. I really want our own kitchen (The communal one is just disgusting all the time, food gets left out no-one cleans up after themself, flies and roaches everywhere, etc. How am I supposed to prepare food for Isaac in that environment?), bathroom (even though we have our own everyone uses it anyway because it's the only downstairs bathroom), living room (because I can't just put Isaac on the floor and expect him to stay there more than a minute someone always has to come pick him up or play with him. I want him to learn to play on his own a bit too otherwise he'll always need entertaining and nothing will ever get done) and two bedrooms. At the moment I feel like If I want things to go my way I have to pretty much lock myself and Isaac in the bedroom. Although even that wouldn't stop MIL. She's quite happy just walk into our bedroom and talk to or play with Isaac when I'm trying to get him to go to sleep. Helpful.
Doubt we will get our own space, she said the same thing last time we were house hunting, but I can dream, right?
I know I should be grateful, we pay the least rent and all the amenities are provided for us, but I can help but feel trapped and DF doesn't know any different so he doesn't really care.
sigh another whingy post. sorry. until next time xoIt's not unreasonable to aske for some respect as a parent ad a person is it...?

Heather, just quickly- I read somewhere the other day that some baby's do go a bit quiet around the 5-7 month mark, maybe he is just having a quiet time and not actually regressing? He'll probably start chatting away like mad again soon! I notice Hayley has some quiet moments too, some days she won't "talk" much at all and others she'll hardly shut up (especially when she gets on her raspberry blowing or gurgling streaks!). I'm so sorry your PIL are such a pain in the bum! Maybe that's why he isn't rollling yet (not that it means there is anything wrong with him, he might be a more 'emotional' person rather than 'physical' iykwim), as he never really gets a chance to wriggle on the floor as your MIL is always picking him up? I hope you find somewhere to move to, as hard as the move might be with a baby it will definitely be worth it! :hug:

Mama Pan it's good to hear from you and exciting that you will be moving to Melbourne. I'd love to catch up with all you Melbourne ladies IRL.

Jetta it's so funny to look back and think that a year ago we were in early pregnancy, at the time things seemed to take for ages, but now when I look back it all seems to have gone really quickly. I can't believe that Ash will be 5 months on Sunday!

:hug: for you Heva. It sounds like things are really difficult for you at the moment. I hope I'm not overstepping the mark, but by the sounds of things it really isn't a very good environment for Isaac or you to be in. Is there anyway you can talk to your DF and see about getting a place of your own? I wouldn't worry too much about Isaac's development, by the sounds of things he is very healthy happy little boy. Ash also has days where he isn't vocal at all and rarely makes those agoo type noises, now when he does talk it is just making noise. I think it is all about them experimenting and learning how to use their voice.

AFM I woke up at 3am this morning with a horrible tummy upset. I spent about 45 minutes in the bathroom, then went back to bed. About 15 minutes after I finally got back to sleep Ash woke up. I'm feeling a lot better today, but still a little queasy. Just hoping it's something I ate (probably the smoked salmon bagel I had yesterday) rather than a bug, I would hate for Ash to get sick.

Storm, hope the move is going well for you. I agree, probably better to move now htan in a few months! she will be into everything soon, lol.

Cate, glad you had a good nights sleep! Hopefully you will get a few more :crossfingers: yep afternoons are definitely harder here, harder to get her to sleep & shorter naps too.

MissE that's awesome Ash is sitting up! Arlea doesn't have the balance for it yet, she topples over, reminds me of theose babushka dolls, lol. Yay for sleeping through the night :)

MamaPan how exciting planning a move back to Melbourne! Hope those night feeds start to settle down for you soon, hopefully solids will help.

Jetta sounds like you had a nice day with your DH & Sam, they are so much fun now aren't they! I always thought 4-6 months was just the cutest stage. WRT cutting a feed I guess it depends on how much he is having at each feed, if he is having big feeds you might be able to drop one? I guess he will let you know if it's not enough.

Heva big hugs to you :hug: that sounds very difficult I think most people would be having a hard time with that. I hope you can sort something out soon & get some of your own space one way or another :hug:

AFM I seem to be over my sore throat, I was worried Arlea was coming down with it as we have had a very unsettled week, but I have decided she is healthy, she's not acting sick at all, just very unsettled with her sleep - which makes her overtired & cranky :doh:
Did someone mention a 4mth sleep regression? Because that seems exctly like what this is... and I am sooo tired... so hoping for a better night tonight :pray:

Hope everyone else is well ....

I'm on my phone so i wont do a proper post, just wondering where everyone is? It's been almost 2 days without a post. I'm having withdrawl symptoms. :lol:
hope everyone is well and just busy. :)

Lol Heather. Here is some (somewhat boring) news for you...

We are almost moved in, just have a few odds and ends back in Wagga. The house is a mess..there are boxes and crap everywhere! Hope to get it sorted out a little today, I dont think we're going back to Wagga until tomorrow. Hayley is starting to get grumpy and unsettled, I don't blame her really when everything is changing around her. If we can stay at home today hopefully she will be better tomorrow, as she was getting to the stage where she just wanted to be held all the time. By this time next week we should have the house all cleaned up and no more trips back and forth. It's about 100ks away, so an hour or so drive, I'm glad it isn;t further!

i've been reading but haven't had time to reply for a few days!

ss_storm - glad to hear the move is nearly finished! 100kms is a long way to me!

liviam - hi & welcome! i think we were in the same ttc thread at one stage - seems a very long time ago now :)

jasp - hope arlea didn't end up catching your sore throat & glad to hear you're feeling better :hug:

miss e - hope you're feeling better :)

mamapan - great news about the move. i'd love to meet up with all the melb mums & bubs as well

heva - that sounds like a tough situation. :hug: i hope things improve for you soon

afm - corey has been really unsettled during the nights - similar situation to mamapan with corey waking for feeds anything from each hour to prob 2.5hrs at the most. he's also decided that bedtime is more like 9 than 7. he does his first sleep or two in his cot & then i co-sleep with him in the spare bed. i really don't want to but it's the only way i get enough sleep to function the next day! i think he might be teething - there is drool everywhere & his hands are in his mouth nearly all day!

Hi all,

Just wanted to pop in quickly and say hello. Ash's naps have gotten a lot better in the last few days. One day we had two 2 hour naps, yesterday we had three 1.5hour naps. This is great, but it seems to have created a another problem. Because he is sleeping so much longer he has gone from feeding roughly every 3 hours to every 4 hours during the day. This means that he is now having 5 feeds a day instead of 6. The issue is that I don't think this is enough because he is now waking up at about 4.30am desperately wanting a feed. He used to do this all the time and I would just feed him and be able to put him straight back to bed. But now I don't think he is used to having a night feed so isn't going back to sleep. This morning we ended up bringing him into our bed at 5.00am after no luck of getting him back to sleep. He still wasn't happy so we ended up getting up until he got tired at 6.15am. Put him back to bed and then we also went back to bed and got to sleep till 8am. So now I think I have to find some way to squeeze in an extra feed during the day, because I don't want to make a habit of starting the day at 4.30am every day. I guess I might try feeding him before I put him down and see if that helps, but when I have done it before he falls asleep while feeding but the minute we finish he is energised... Oh what to do, just when everything starts working really well a new problem pops up!

Miss E - it really does seem that as soon as you feel like you've got the hang of it, they throw you a curve ball! We've had a similar problem lately - unfortunately not because Zac's sleeping longer/more during the day, but because I've been trying to get him to take his feeds during the day rather than feeding 3 hourly around the clock - now that I'm trying to get more mls into him, he's stretching longer between feeds, so it's really hard to get five feeds in during the day! :rolleyes: Do you do a dream feed at all? Maybe Ash would then sleep the rest of the night? (fingers crossed!)

Sarah - groan! I hear ya on the co-sleeping - it may not be quality sleep, but at least it's sleep! Also the drool - sometimes Zac reminds me of those dogs that always seem to have big strings of saliva hanging from their mouths :lol:

ss_storm - you will be so relieved once you are all finished with the old place. 100kms each way isn't a trip you want to be doing that often!

jasp - no good to hear about the sleep regression, although 'been there, done that', so hopefully she will come through it fairly quickly for you! Lack of sleep is such a killer...

heva - I don't envy you at all, and I'm really impressed that you manage so well. I was thinking that one positive of your inlaws always picking Isaac up is that he should feel very happy and loved and secure. As for his development, I think we all know that each baby is going to do things at their own pace, but I know it does give you a bit of a worry when you feel like your baby isn't doing what others are doing. I used to worry about Zac and his tummy time because he just hated it, and I was seeing friends' 7 week old babies holding their heads up, but suddenly it just clicked for him and it wasn't a problem anymore. My friend's baby just refused to be on her tummy until around 6 months, and one day she suddenly loved it!

Jetta - good to hear from you!

mamapan - I am amazed that you're still capable of coherent thought! fwiw I've recently started Zac on solids (he's 5 months now) and have also been increasing his formula intake during the day as he had gone back to feeding 3-hourly around the clock. He loves the baby rice, but I can't say whether it's made any difference at all to his sleeping. I do find I have to be careful with the timing of it so that it doesn't impact his appetite for milk. As for increasing his mls during the day, that's been a bit of a challenge, but seems to be paying off. He's now only waking once most nights for a feed. I think their little bellies are used to having so much at a time, so when we try to put more into them it takes a while for them to adapt to having more food less often iykwim. Good luck - I hope you start getting some more sleep soon!

AFM - Zac has been rolling (back to front) like a maniac. He's generally quite happy once he's on his front, but he is straining to reach things, and his little legs are thrashing away. He tends to get quite frustrated and starts screaming after a while, but as soon as I flip him on to his back he rolls over again :D

I realised that I had been getting a bit complacent lately ;) so found something else to beat myself up about - I still rock him to sleep for all his naps, and now I feed him to sleep for his night sleep. Am I creating a problem for myself further down the track? Am I making it impossible for anybody but me to put him to sleep at night? What is it that makes us look at what we're doing 'wrong' instead of congratulating ourselves on what we're doing right???

anyhow, a giggle for those of you with boys - I give Zac nappy off time before he has his bath, and I usually put him on some towels on the floor while I do some computer work. Today he suddenly went all silent and I turned around to see that he had peed all over himself - including his face! He was looking a bit confused as to why he was suddenly so wet :lol:

hi all,

Been reading but not posting as can't seem to find the time... (not going to attempt to catch up properly with personals - will be going to bed shortly)

Schools been busy - just love the end of year and report writing :rolleyes: and Blake's not been settled. He's been having a serious attempt at teething - still attempting not getting there yet. Had the sleep regression to 2 hourly average for a couple of nights there last week (he hasn't done that since the hospital) and was starting to get a little hard to concentrate during the day. Yesterday spent the whole day on me either feeding or sleeping - wouldn't go down in his cot - as soon as he went down the crying would start. Wasn't a well boy yesterday - lots of pooping, snotty nose, temperatures and loads of drool, seemed to change after managing a 2 hour sleep (1 on me, 1 in the portacot) and a quick feed and then another 1.5 hour sleep he seemed to settle down again and be more like his usual self and we had his more usual 5-6 hour sleep over night - thank goodness - apparently he stirred about 10:30 after going down at 9 and I didn't hear him at all (I was that tired), thankfully Tim heard him and settled him quickly - wasn't looking for a feed (within 10min) and he was down again until 3ish.

hi all
well we are still waking every 90-120 mins overnight, it is killingme! i will keep trying to get more feeds into him and see how we go.. lets just say 'this too shall pass' is my current mantra...
so sorry i dont have any advice for those of you who are having sleep probs as i am in the thick of it myself LOL! i do find J will self settle a lot of the time esp in the day (when he does 40 min catnaps) so i guess that is a plus.
LC - re the rockinga nd feeding to sleep - you do what is best for you...and what works. i always fed DS1 to sleep at night and also rcked him - we only gave this up when he was 18 months and 12 kg... and i was heavily preg... once DS1 was weaned and having bottles before bed (about 12 months) DH was able to put him down just the same as me... and in fact now DH is his preferred option for going to sleep... it all works out so just do what works for you i think.
ok better go... will try to be on later xxx

SS - Hopefully your right re the talking, and he's just focusing on other things. He has been rolling onto his side a fair bit lately, but his arm gets in the way so he stays there a min or two then rolls back. lol.
No news is boring news :lol:

Miss E - not oversteppin the mark at all. :) I totally agree wht you but DF is totally closed to the idea of moving until we have enough money to buy a house :o Which means we'll be stuck with them for the next 20 bloody years if we keep going the way we are. :wall: I keep telling him how much I hate it here and need to get out but he refuses to rent saying it's a waste of money and he wants to save for a house, so far nothing has been saved though...
Hope that your tummy upset was nothing more than suspect food.
Isaac has always been an early waker, between 4 and 6 each day, could it be that Ash has just changed his routine?

Cate - Isaac used to ike tummy time then one day he just hated it and has ever since. He'll occasionally have a day here and there when he'll tollerate it for a little longer. Today he was quite happy there for a whole 5 mins. lol. He even smiled and had a bit of a look around with his head up. I think he's discovered how to prop himself up on his arms in the last couple of days too... maybe we're starting to get somewhere. :pray:
I totally agree with the do what works attitude. I figure if it's not broken dont fix it.
as for peeing on himself I laughed so hard when I read that, Isaac wee's on himself at least 2 times a week lol. not so much when I change him becuase I get his new nappy on before he has a chance, it's more when Jesse does it or when MIL takes it upon herself to change him... I like to think it's karma.

Hi everyone else :hello:

AFM - Everyday one of the IL's seem to do something that makes me so angry! Last week we bought a bottle of milk to take to DF's grandparents place (a whole other story in itself!)and it didn't get used so we brought it home (they don't drink milk). It ended up staying in the moderately warm car for a few hours and we were going to throw it out but FIL insisted we keep it and put it in the fridge because "it'd be fine" and he'd drink it. Fine, whatever, you want to poison yourself that's your perogative (sp?). Well I overheard this morning that he poured some of the suspect milk in with the fresh milk and didn't tell us! So we've been drinking the most probably off milk for 3 days! He ovbiously thought it'd be ok, but we had already said we didn't trust it and want to drink it, and he went behind our backs and made us drink it anyway! grr...

When we were at DF's grandparents place - who I usually love spending time with - Isaac was really unsettled and refused to go to sleep, because it was a new place? or because it was hot? , and they were full of "advice" I got "he's not even crying, he's just making noise" about 50 times as well as "now you've done it, you picked him up when he cried, now he knows he's got his own way" and "you know you need to talk to him and teach him things" and when I didn't then and there, GMIL picked him up and started talking to him and making animal noises at him, which probably wouldn't have really bothered me too much except for all the other stuff they'd said. I finally snapped at the "now you've done it" comment and said that "he is just a baby and he has no concept of manipulation yet". I didn't yell was just very firm. Actually I suprised myself, if it was anyone else I think I would have done my block. Fine, critisize my parenting style I can handle that, to some extent, but do NOT critisize my child!

I think if it was just one person or one issue at a time I'd probably be fine with coping with it but I'm just getting angrier and more stressed and frustrated by the day. Why can't people just leave us alone to parent in the way we know to be best for us? I realise that differnet generations do it differently but I'm so tired of being given "advice" and being undermined if I don't follow it. For goodness sake this is our child not yours, you had your chance at being a parent now let me have mine!

Had to see my mother the other week, visit's with my mum, generally, are a rather stressful experience. We decided that we'd go to the shopping centre where theres air-con and we could part our seperate ways there. It was pretty normal, she talked rubbish and we half listened so we didn't agree to anything we didn't want to by accident. After about 3 hours with her we decided we couldn't take it anymore and we were going home. So we walked to the exit all the while telling her we're going home and we'd see her next time etc, etc, and when it finally came to the point where we say goodbye she says "well I could come back to your house for a while if you like?" If I wanted you to come back with us I would have invited you! I didn't say it but my goodness how I'd like to. What are you supposed to say to that? It doesn't matter what I say to her she always says "i can help with that" or "that's ok I don't mind if you do that while I'm there" :wall: Jesse just told her that his mum was doing some cleaning and didn't want visitors. lol. it was kinda half true She was doing her washing.

In other news ... Isaac's been a bit more active the last couple of days, tolerating tummy time a little bit longer, and he's moving around on the spot. He'll roll onto his side, wriggle around a bit then roll back in a slightly different spot. Did your LO's have trouble with thier arms getting in the way at first? He gets halfway and strains and grunts a little bit then gives up and either stays on his side for a few mins or rolls back onto his back. I think maybe we're finally making some headway, :clap: He also did make a couple of more speech like sounds yesterday, by a couple I'm mean about 2, lol, but it's more than I've heard in a few months.

Does anyone else dislike anyone but thier DP or themselves changing thier LO's nappy? Or am I just wierd? I figure I would't want my grandparents or anyone else looking at and touching my genitals, why would my son? It just seems a bit undignified for him to have just anyone touching his bum. If he'd been left with them ie they're babysitting, that'd be different but not when either DF or I am there, It's just not neccesary IMO. WDYT?

Sorry for the me post. Had to let off some steam.

Oh cool, hello everyone I've just found this thread, I recognized a few of you from the belly buddy thread ;) I hope everyone is well.

I have twin girls born on the 9th July, 3 weeks early weighing in at 4lb13 and 4lb14, I breast fed and formula fed for 3 weeks. Was a lot of hard work so decided to knock the breast feeding on the head and just go with the formula. My two are in cloth nappies part time, saving loads of cash, they were getting through loads of nappies. I was going to Big W and filling a trolley with nappies before every 2 weeks. Now I just buy the odd packet with my grocery shop. They are in a fabulous routine sleeping from 7pm till 7am and having two day time naps, some times at the same time some times not. Life has been pretty full on the past 5 months, I really don't know where the time has gone!

Anyway it's gonna take me some time to get to know everyone so I will try and keep up with everyone's posts, looking forward to chatting with you lovely mummy's:D

I'll try to be brief this time since I typed up an epic for my last post!

mamapan - I really hope the nights start working out for you soon. It will pass, and when you look back on it it will probably seem like a brief time, but when you're in the midst of it it feels like it's going on forever! As for J's "40 min catnaps" - that is all Zac will do most days. Every now and then he surprises me and will do an hour and a half, but in general I have accepted that it will be 45 minutes, and then he's up for two hours.

heva - yep, Zac used to get a bit stuck on his arm too, so Isaac will work it out eventually. Your mum sounds a bit like mine, but thank goodness mine is in NZ so I don't have to deal with her quite as much - although I do have to discourage her from coming for a visit :shakehead: re the nappy changes, I can't say I've thought about it really. I would be happy for Zac's aunties to change him, and like you say, if someone was babysitting, but I've not really been in a situation where there is anyone else around who would actually want to change his nappy!

kezzabird - nice to have you here! :D

lovelycate - totally on the co-sleeping...as you say, any sleep is better than none! does zac take up lots of the bed? i've been sharing a king single with corey & i'm finding he trying to shuffle over to me & i end up with no room! i think i've had more room the few times i've had to share the bed with DP! i also agree with mamapan - still to doing what works for you! there seem to be some very gentle ways out there to break a feeding to sleep habit so that makes me feel confident that should we need to break the habit, we can :)

heva - corey had the thing with his arms as well. and then one day it just all seems to fall into place for them! sounds like isaac is close now!

mamapan - :hug: i hope it improves for you soon.

Hi all,

Just wanted to pop in quickly and have a bit of a whinge, so sorry for lack of personals...

Ash has his first tooth coming through, I can see the little sharp bit pointing out now. So I think that explains his sleeping issues over the last few days. Last night was awful, I was up with him every 45 mins from 2.30am. Each time it took me 15 or 20 minutes to settle him again and then he would be awake 20 or 30 minutes later, so each time I fell back asleep he would wake up again... Today hasn't been much better either, he had a long sleep this morning, but since then will only go down for about 20 minutes. Poor little thing has an awful dribble rash over his face and neck, has nappy rash over his groin and is exhausted (so's his mumma). I bought some bonjella today, because panadol seems to do very little. I've just put it on, so hoping next time I put him down he might sleep a little better. Not looking forward to tonight though, and last time I had a feel I think the tooth next to this one is also coming through...

Sorry about the pity party, hope everyone else is doing well.

Storm, glad to hear the move went well, good luck settling in quickly & I hope you don't have to do too many of those 100k trips!

Sloane & Mamapan :hug: to you both that sounds tough. Hope the sleeping is getting better, how are things going?

Cate :rofl: at the peeing on his face! Boys can be good for a giggle like that, I remember years ago when our boys were little, DH getting a good spray :lol:

Leckert hope your little guy is feeling better?

Heva, I don't worry too much about anyone else changing bums, I figure its a very different thing when they are so little, there is no embarrassment at this age. If there's someone there who wants to do it, good for them :lol: any extra hands are welcome. I think it's like everything though, it's just down to what you are comfortable with.

Kezzabird welcome! Nice to have you with us, looking forward to hearing about your girls.. twins :o I take my hat off to you I am in awe of anyone who can manage more than one baby at a time!

Miss E I guess at least you know why he's been cranky? Hopefully it pops through soon & it's over & done with for him, poor little guy :hug:

AFM ... Arlea has been asleep now for almost an hour and a half .. interesting becasue she never sleeps like this in the afternoon.
I am thinking about trying to establish a bit of a routine now that she is older, she is close to it on her own anyway IYKWIM. The trick will be to get her having 'proper' sleeps instead of these catnaps... occasionally she will do it (like now, lol) but often she wakes too soon & then she's tired again too soon.
Her FDC carer agrees, she's probably ready to do 2 big sleeps a day & maybe a little nap in the afternoon. She recommended a book - Save Our Sleep by Tizzie Hall - a lady she knows used it for 2 weeks & her LO, similar age to ours, is now having 2 daytime naps & sleeping through. Don't know what approach they use, I will try & track it down at the library & see.
She had a rough week last week, was waking screaming the house down... we were on the verge of taking her to the Drs when it all stopped. Didn't take her earlier becasue she didn't seem sick or anything, she was fine once she was awake, it was very very strange. If she was older I would swear she was having night terrors but I don't know about that at this age?
Woah. sorry for the long post :redface:

Hope everyone else & their bubs are doing well :grouphug:

Thanks Jasp. I finished the cleaning today, DF just needs to hose down the front and back verandah and try and get an oil stain off the floor of the carport (or at least make it look "old" as it says on the condition report there is an old stain there....lol). But hopefully I won't have to go back down. The travelling is really starting to bug Hayley and she's starting to not want to go in her car seat! I think we need a long long time at home not going anywhere to get back into our "routine" again. Her sleeping, or rather the getting to sleep, has been awful the last two nights...she didn't go to sleep until nearly 10.30 last night, and that was after what felt like hours of crying (was probably only half an hour/45 mins or so..but it is very draining!). Tonight was a bit the same, although she was asleep by about 9.30. I think she really just needs to wind down...the last week or so has been pretty hectic.
Planning on taking the dog for a nice walk tomorrow and check out the local sights, I think that will do us all good.

Miss E- we resorted to putting some bonjela on her bottom gum last night. I don't know if it was actually her teeth bothering her but we'd tried everything else and she just wouldn't stop crying. She would fall asleep for about 5 seconds then start crying again...I could feel a couple of lumps on her bottom gum so the teeth are definitely below the surface, but they aren't sharp points yet.

Welcome Kezzabird! Can't wait to hear more about your twins! Congrats!! I have a friend from work who had twin girls a couple of months before Hayley was born, she also has two slightly older girls (about 3 and almost 5 I think), I don't know how she does it! I have enough trouble with one. Lol.

Hey ladies thanks for the welcome :-)

Miss E, sounds like you have a rough time with teething, poor you and poor little guy, I remember my son suffered terribly with teething too. It's not a nice thing, knowing that they are in pain and unable to do anything about it, not to mention the sleeping or lack of issue's.

Jasp - I have that book by Tizzie Hall too, my girls have been on her recommended routine since 11 weeks and by 12 weeks they were going from 7am - 7pm and have done ever since with the odd awakening at 5am, but put straight back down in their cots afterwards. I can't recommend it enough, it has certainly saved my sanity, I don't know what I'd have done without it. Both my girls self settle without so much as a whimper, I can determine which is a protest cry and an upset cry. Protest cries are ignored basically, and upset cries get my full attention.

Well someone stole my newborns and replaced them with 5 month olds!! what, when, where? The time just seems to have passed me by and didn't even wave :o I was just wondering how many of you have introduced solids yet? I have let my girls have a little taste every now and then but not every day, just wondered what everyone else has been doing?

Storm, glad to hear the worst of the trips are over! Sounds like a few days at home will be good. Hopefully it wont take long for Hayley to settle back into her routine :)

Kezzabird I am definitely going to track it down now! I was wondering how you manage with your girls (ie if they are in a routine). 7 to 7 - I think I could live with that! :lol: That sounds great.
I know what you mean about the time passing :( I'm a bit sad about how fast she is growing. We haven't started solids yet I am just waiting a bit longer. I started all my others at 4 mths (which was pretty much recommended back then) this time around I would like to try BLS. We kind of did it without realising abck then - giving finger foods etc - now I would like to see what happens when we let her really take the lead. I am watching her to see if she is interested - the kids think she is but they just can't wait to start her lol - I think it's just normal 4 month old stuff - she wants to grab anything & put it in her mouth, I do't necessarily think it's food related, kwim? MIL will be here for Christmas & AR will be 5 mths then... I expet MIL will probably try to feed her :rolleyes: so I'm trying to work out how I will deal with that.

Kezza - Hi, I think you were in my bellybeuddies group too. Not that I really posted much but did lots of reading, glad to hear your girls are well. :) I know what you mean by time going too fast. It makes me a little sad thats Isaac's growing up so quickly, although I love watching him learn.

Cate - because I live with MIL she often does it regardless of what I say, and my mum "offered", by offered I mean insisted, luckily for me I dont have an issue standing up to her. Maybe becasue I have very little respect for her or maybe just cause she's my mum not DF's.

Miss E - How's Ash's teeth going now? I really hope you got a better sleep last night.

Jasp - Let us nkow what method that book uses, I would love to get Isaac on a routime if I could. I'm convinced they have nightmares from birth, different to night terrors I know, Isaac sometimes whimpers in his sleep and occasionally wakes up crying. He laughs in his sleep too, very cute.
Maybe it was a recurring dream?

SS - we had a massive oil spill on our driveway (due to the person at the auto shop selling us the wrong oil filter and it blowing off when we started the car :o)
It was everywhere. We used petrol and something absorbant (dried grass or something to soak up the fuel ) to get it off and it got pretty much all of it. You'd never know it happened.


AFM - We had a horror day yesterday, started off with breakfast, that was the highlight, then DF and me had a huge fight about nothing, I put it down to me being stressed and cranky, also have AF (sorry if TMI) so am pretty hormonal. It really upset Isaac and I dunno if that caused his issues later on or not but he refused to eat, refused to sleep and was generally very tired and grumpy.
He's been increasingly unsettled for a couple of months now though, I think it just made it that little bit worse maybe? IDK. I posted aThread in the hope that someone will have an answer for me :(

Thought I'd pop in and do a less selfish thread today. Sorry to be a bit self indulgent yesterday, I had just about reached the end of my tether. I think those 24 hours have been the hardest we've had so far...

Kezzabird, welcome! Nice to have you with us. Gee you must have your hands full with the twins! One of the ladies in my mothers group has twins and it amazes me how well she does, but she does say that because they are her first that is all she knows so she thinks it has been easier to adapt. She's also had them sleeping 7 till 7 for awhile - maybe it is a twin thing LOL. I know what you mean, I can't believe Ash is 5 months either, this tooth has really made me realise how quickly he is growing up. I'm trying to savour every gummy smile I get at the moment because I know very soon it won't be so gummy.

Heva, I hope today is better for you. It's awful when you have a fight with your partner, I think it makes the dealing with the day so much harder. I'll go have a look at your thread when I'm done here and see if I can help.

Jasp, I'm also going to do the BLS. I've been doing heaps of reading lately and it makes the most sense to me. I think I'll hold off a couple more weeks though, probably at christmas we'll give it a go. Because I've got all the IL's here in Jan I do want to get a start before they arrive, so they don't interfere too much, I'm sure they will think BLS is a load a **** , so I would like to get my confidence up with it before I have to try and justify my parenting approach to them.

Storm I'm so glad the move is over for you now. I'd say it is pretty likely that the disruption is why Hayley has been a little bit difficult. It's a big change for us as adults, but for a little one is must be massive, the world that they have known has changed completely. I wouldn't be suprised if it takes her a little while to get used to her new surroundings and back into a routine.

AFM the teething continues... Yesterday afternoon was hideous, I had 2.5 hours of crying. Of course I finally got him to sleep 2 minutes before DH walked in the door. But he only slept for 20 minutes and then after his bath it all started again. Luckily DH handled it, I had definately run out of steam. Last night was better than the night before. He kept waking up crying in the first part of the night, but around midnight we settled him for the last time and then he slept through till 6.30am which was good. I really needed a good solid block of sleep. This morning has been a little better, but he is definately still in pain. The dribble rash is also a little better, but I am doing everything I can to stop it getting inflamed, last night it was awful (it looked so sore) I made an appt with the GP, but have cancelled it this morning because it has settled down a lot. Just trying to keep it dry and am putting lots of powder on under the chin because that was also really inflamed.

I went to see the MCHN this morning. He's now just over 7.5 kgs (double his birth weight) and is 66cm tall. Still right on the 50th percentile.

Just quickly - MissE I dont know, you might have already tried it but Arlea loves a cold wet facewasher at the moment, she chews it & bites it & cuddles it & sleeps with it. It does sound like Ash's teeth are giving him hell so it might not do much but couldn't hurt to try?
As for BLS being ****, :lol: it's funny how things change... when I started my kids at 4 mths they had toast & fruit, DS2 at this stage loved chewing on a watermelon rind... a lot of stuff was still pureed but they were also feeding themselves KWIM? To me, BLS is a bigger better version of that & makes perfect sense ;) good idea to get the hang of it before the IL's get there so you can tell them to go jump :lol:

Heva I am off to read your thread now :hug: hope today is a better day for you

miss e - poor ash...and poor you! i hope he's doing better? i've read a few people on here say they've found neurofen to be a lot better than panadol for teething :dunno: i'm thinking about trying an amber teething necklace as well. i figure it can't hurt!

heva - i hope today has been a better day :hug: i don't have any answers, but i know that corey has been harder to settle for day sleeps over the past couple of months.

Kezzabird - haven't the 5 months gone so quickly?! we haven't introduced solids yet but corey did have his first rusk today :lol: we're planing to do BLS & will prob start in the next week or so to build up to him actually eating at 6 months. well, that's the plan!

ss_storm - hope hayley has settled more easily for you tonight.

jasp - thank you for the :hug:! last night was a better night so maybe we've turned a corner? or maybe wishful thinking! of course i didn't sleep that well because i was expecting him to wake all the time. i hope arlea hasn't had a repeat of the screaming.

does anyone else get a spin out from seeing the belly buddies thread due 1-15 july 2010? i can't believe that was us last year!

Sloane- I keep nearly clicking on that thread, all I see is the "July 1st-15th" and think oh that's us...then I see the "belly buddies" bit..lol. It does seem weird though, this time last year I was a few months pregnant and telling people! And also praying I didn't get morning sickness too badly when we travelled to Mackay to visit MIL for christmas!

Had another tearful night trying to put her to bed...I know she is tired because she gets grumpy and doesn't want to sit in her rocker, doesn't want to play on the floor, doesn't want to sit on my lap...and is rubbing her eyes and yawning. I think maybe she just isn't quite tired enough though? I tried putting her to bed and she just cried and cried, would go to sleep for about 5 seconds then start crying again. So i got her up and changed her nappy and we played on the floor for 10 mins or so then I let her play with the cord for the light (our new house has funky light switches- they are the ones that you pull on a string coming from the ceiling..I hope that makes sense!), anyway they seem to entertain her for ages, and it should be helping her to improve her fine motor skills too! so after probably half an hour or so I put her back in bed and after a little cry she did go off to sleep, she did wake up crying and I went in and she was on her tummy, she has been sleeping on her side but almost on her tummy (her arm is still underneath her) so I just think she wanted to be rolled back over again!

I just hope she settles down soon, it is so draining when it takes that long to get her to sleep and she is obviously tired but just cries and cries...she even did it in the pram when I took the dog for a walk this morning, usually in the pram she just gradually falls asleep but nope not today! Cried and grizzled then finally fell asleep... She is going to bed a couple of hours later than what she used to, before the whole moving thing started! But still waking up around the same time. I am wondering if starting solids is going to help or not? I can't wait to start her, but then I don't want to start too early.

Miss E- hope Ash's tooth/teeth come through soon, I empathise with the crying! At the moment Hayley loves chewing on my finger, or sucking on my hand or my arm..feels really funny but it must feel good on her gums!

Jasp how is Arlea going, is she on the move yet? Hayley was so funny the other day, she was in her cot trying to go to sleep (at least she was happy and not crying! Lol) and each time I went in there she was facing a different way! she loves bouncing at the moment too, she pushes her legs off anything she makes contact with, particularly the sides of her cot, and she can rock herself in her rocker if she pushes her feet off the end of it! Thinking about getting her a jolly jumper or something similar as she loves to bounce so much.

Well better get myself to bed, it seems everytime I plan on getting to bed early I'm up until 11!

Geez I can talk (or type!) can't I! Lol... I think I almost write a novel every time I post in this thread!

hi all,

just wanted to let you all know, we finally got a monitor today, so there is quite a high chance i'll be able to get on more during the day now........kid permitting though lol
got a 3k back pay from centrelink from underestimating ricks pay for the last couple of yrs, so soooo much stress has disapeared which is great, actually did half a xmas shop tonight and didnt feel guilty about the money i spent!!

sorry for no personals....its 10.30 here and DS1 is still wide awake and Rick just got comfy on the lounge and looks like he trying to sleep....FFS feels like im a single mother to 2 alot these days, plus being his slave with "extras"........having a full on night with DS1 and Rick has not stepped up to plate ONCE to help out!! FFS
better go otherwise my day is going to be hell 2morrow, although my mum comes over so atleast thats something!!
Goodnight all......

it's gone a bit quiet here again! Our computer's been playing up so I haven't been able to get on for a while myself.

I hope everyone is well and coping with the ramp up to Christmas. Christmas shopping with a baby is a whole new world of joy isn't it? :lol:

jasp - I think there's been quiet a bit of discussion about Tizzie Hall's methods elsewhere on bellybelly, so I would be interested in what you think. As with everything I think it comes down to what works for you, and you will know if it's an approach that you feel comfortable with or not.

Miss E - I hope the teething has settled down a bit. Sounds horrendous!

ss_storm - isn't it frustrating when you can see that they're tired, and you think "just close your eyes and go to sleep!" - seems like such a straighforward solution, but they resist it ...

naomi - I hope things have improved over the last few days for you.

AFM - have thought that Z was starting teething a few times recently as he is chewing on everything and has quite rosy cheeks at times (plus the drool), but can't feel anything coming through.

He has really discovered his voice and has taken to some quite high-pitched squealing. Also blowing some very messy raspberries, especially at old ladies who stop to admire him in the shops :lol:

Daytime sleeps are still challenging, ho hum. Better go, he's yodelling away in his cot (he should be asleep!).

Hi all,

Hope everyone is doing well, it certainly is quiet in here of late, I suppose everyone is busy trying to get ready for christmas.

Cate, hope Zac is doing okay, this teething business is so much harder than I thought it would be, our saga is continuing... Don't you just love their little noises though,they are so sweet.

Naomi, sounds like a nice bonus, especially at this time of year!

Jasp, I gave the facewasher a go, but he doesn't seem to like anything cold in his mouth, except for a carrot, that seems to work a treat.

AFM Ash is still teething, we now have two little teeth sticking through, but things certainly haven't gotten much better. I would've thought that once they had cut they wouldn't hurt as much, but it appears not. I have been using the Brauer Teething Relief drops which work quite well and I don't feel bad giving them to him because they are all natural and homeopathic, but he is still waking at night in pain. It's such a shock to the system because he's always been such a good sleeper. The other night we were up for two hours trying to settle him. He'd fell asleep in my arms 4 times, but each time I put him down in his cot he would start screaming. In the end I gave him some panadol and he finally went back to sleep. Then last night he woke up at 1.30am and I was able to settle him back to sleep with a cuddle. The he was up again at 3.15am so I gave him some panadol and a feed and he managed to sleep through till 7am. Just hoping that we get a decent break in between the next lot cos it's really starting to take its toll on me now, it's been nearly two weeks! Oh well fingers crossed tonight is better for us... Gee how I would love him to sleep through, guess I was really taking it forgranted till now.

it has been quiet, but i can't believe how fast time is flying at the moment! i thought it'd only been a day or so since i posted but it's 6 days!

miss e - that sounds like it's been a tough couple of weeks :hug: have you thought about one of those teething necklaces? i wouldn't normally go for that sort of thing, but so many people seem to have success with them that i'm seriously considering one for corey.

lovelycate - those high pitched squeals are funny but so hard on the ears at the same time! sounds like he's charming the old ladies though :lol:

ss_storm - how are you going? i've been meaning to reply to your other threads but i keep running out of time. are you still thinking about solids? i only decided that corey was really ready when he grabbed a piece of bread out of my hand on sunday and put it straight in his mouth & starting sucking & knawing on it! we're doing BLS so i'm not going to def give him something every day cos i'm still very conscious of the 6 month guideline but i just feel like he's really shown that he's ready, if that makes sense?

afm, corey has a tooth through & it looks like another isn't far off :) he's also been tryong some food & seems pretty impressed with the diff tastes!

hope everyone else & their bubs are well :)

have been meaning to post for a week or so but every time I go to post something else distracts me, or I can't be bothered finding the thread..lol.

Thanks for the wet washer suggestion Jasp- have found Hayley loves sucking/chewing on one. Has been great the last day or so, it's been very warm outside and have been taking the dog down to the river for a swim of an afternoon, I give Hayley a cold wet washer to suck on to keep her a little cooler. How's Arlea going in her moving attempts? Hayley's really giving it a shot but doesn't move far! Lol. She does like squeaking her feet on the wooden floors though!

Cate- their vocal sounds are so cute at this stage aren't they! Today all H wanted to do was blow raspberries and "sing" while i was trying to give her a bottle...I did laugh but it was a bit frustrating! She loves yelling too..I am so glad we don't have neighbours here! Well we do, but one side is an auto-electrician and the other is a solicitors office, so the auto guy would be making enough noise in his workshop not to hear us, and the solicitors are only there during business hours.

Miss E- hope Ash gives you some relief from his teething soon. It's a bit sad though, no more gummy smiles! I better take some more photos of H before her teeth appear (not that we don't already have hundreds of photos..lol).

Sloane- how's corey going with his teething business, hope he isn't giving you too much grief. Glad he is liking his tastes of 'real' food!

AFM- I forgot to mention earlier that Hayley is now in her own room :crying: Our bedroom in our new house is too small to fit her cot, so is now in her own bedroom. I think it's been tougher on me than on her, but she has settled in pretty well. She doesn't wake up chatty anymore though, or at least not at night. A couple of times she has been fairly hysterical before i finally wake up..that was the first few nights she was in her own room. i think my internal baby monitor has now increased it's sensitivity so I now hear her pretty much as soon as she wakes.
And after another argument with DF (man do they ever end :wall: ) she had her first taste of solids today...thanks to MIL saying last night that she started her kids on solids at like 2 months and DF's aunty is giving her son weetbix (he is younger than Hayley)...DF was then desperate to start her on solids right now :rolleyes: Told him today that if he wanted to start solids now he could feed her...in the end I ended up feeding her :rolleyes:

She only had one or two teaspoons of rice cereal and pulled some funny faces...she didn't spit it out though, so we'll see how we go. DF wants me to give her tinned baby food but no way am I doing that, will make my own baby food with a mix of BLS once she is 6 months. oh and would someone please tell him that i am not giving her baby custard or anything else sweet to start her off :wall: just because that's what your mum did does not make it *right* :rolleyes: