thanks Buzzie, I thought I fixed my ticker, it was changed in lilypie but the change didn't go through to my signature for some reason. Just had to delete it and do a new one.
Buzzie and fuzzy - childcare must be so hard.. I don't think I could do it!
Belfie - oh no about cutting Annikas finger! This is probably weird but I have never used clippers on Isaac, I still bite his nails. I just do it while he is feeding, but it makes him laugh.. so cute, I think it tickles him. When I've finished he keeps reaching his fingers to my mouth and smiles. So cute.
Do you mind sharing the links to the baby led solids info? I've been doing a bit of that but I have frozen mush I don't want to waste so I'm doing both ways. I spoon feed him but also put pieces of food in front of him to play with. He has too much fun squishing and drawing in it so doesn't actually get any in his mouth yet. This morning was avocado and I think it was too slippery for him to pick up the pieces. Maybe I'm giving him the wrong foods (just veg and fruit so far).
Bec - you may have already seen some of this, but firstly the BLS section on BB, secondly google Gill Rapley & "baby led solids", wikipedia have some info, as well as babycenter dot com. There's some other things I stumbled across but to be honest I'm not sure if I'm supposed to link them here. I've just bought Gill Rapley's book cos I wanted something to give me some confidence, but you could try the library for it too. I guess other than lots of links, I can also tell you about my experience. I was keen to do this with Xander but he was such a snuffly gagger with a hypersensitive vomit reflex (boy we got some projectile vomits) and he started becoming very hesitant about trying foods, and increasingly distressed when he did vomit. We ended up seeing a speech path with him & going right back to basics (purees & such) at 10 months old.
Annika is a whole different story though. I'm offering her "chip-shaped" finger foods and she loves them . Because we're medicating her every day with losec I think she has quite an aversion to us "putting" stuff in her. When she's in control of what goes in her mouth she is SO much happier, to the extent that even if I have to give her nurofen, i let her put the syringe in her mouth (and I just depress it to shoot it in!). So foods we've tried so far - cooked carrot, zucchini, pumpkin, potato ("stick-shaped), corn spears, pear & avocado (both hard to pick up), baby mum mums (says 12 mths but she's fine with them - the speech path put X on them younger than 1 year too), pasta, banana (if you can afford it arrrgh!), watermelon (fave), broccoli... I'm also giving her some spoon food (yoghurt & some farex) but she puts the spoon in her mouth herself. I was actually amazed at how coordinated she was... I generally have 3 spoons on the go, and use a heinz unbelievabowl which rocks, first suction bowl I've found that works. It does get messy but I feel she's very happy with it. At the start it takes time for them to work out how to pick the food up, and sometimes I help put it in her hand, but no more than that. She also seems happier when she has at least 2 things to choose from - isn't that oddly interesting? I'm starting to try give her more of our meals when we cook them. She loves roast carrot, zucchini, pumpkin which was just what I'd cooked anyway. Other faves are definitely watermelon & corn spears. So that's my BLS rant, hope the rest of you don't mind... I was just keen to share what I've found with two very different bubbas! Also I agree that definitely some foods are harder for them to pick up (pear & avocado definitely!). I tried rolling them in dry farex cos I read that can help, but still not much joy with them. I think I had a sense from what you'd written about Isaac that maybe he would be more interested if he's in control, I'm not quite sure why I had that feel (might be projecting) but I guess that's why I was keen to share. I think doing some meals with spoons and others without is great. I usually do 1-2 fully baby led and 1 with her using the spoon (and I help). Ok i'll stop ranting now, hope I don't sound too soap-boxy!
thanks Belfie, that's really helpful. I had actually started a thread in the BLS section asking how do I do it, but was still unsure. Is it too early for bread? I haven't given Isaac anything with 'ingredients' before, but the MCHN we see said that he is old enough for anything I eat. Anyway, I gave him two fingers of toast with avocado on last night with his dinner and he loved it. He didn't eat a lot but he was very interested in it, holding it, putting it in his mouth and chewing. Mum usually comes over at his dinner time and feeds him for me, and I told her about BLS.. I don't think she gets it. She keeps saying but how will he get enough food? Anyway she spoon fed him some mushed carrot while he was playing with the toast, he ate it but was much more interested in feeding himself. I have run out of bananas (he loves them) so I'll have to give him avocado for breakfast today.. sooo messy!! I'll have to get one of those bowls you mentioned.
Oh my MIL doesn't get it either. The first time she saw Annika eating corn spears and she freaked out that she was choking and started thumping her on the back. I had to ask her to stop. I wish I'd explained a bit more that she was much MORE likely to choke if MIL kept thumping her! Regarding them eating enough, well I have found I see the food come through in her #2's... if you just tell your mum how you saw this & that in his poos maybe that will help her settle down? A few times I thought Annika had eaten barely anythning, but her poos said otherwise! As for bread, I just did that today. Toast with avocado after reading your post tehehe. I've been meaning to do it for a while. She liked it but didn't eat heaps. I still battle against my own hesitancy with doing BLS. I also plan to give her peanut butter (smooth) and egg in the next few days, because our paed was showing his neighbour (a mutual friend) lots of research showing that egg allergies are less with early introduction and obviously with X's allergies, we want to minimise the risk for Annika. Man it does my head in tho! Re giving stuff with ingredients, well I figure pretty much anything goes now, and I'm slowly trying to be braver in what I offer her. Oh and that bowl is usually for sale at Safeway (but not Coles). I've been meaning to go post in the BSL chatter too, to get some more ideas.
Belfie - didn't sound soap boxy at all! I am doing a bit of both, BLS and spoon. H loves bread, esp pita bread and I am going to give her some egg yoke in a couple of days. She already had some peanut butter when DH gave her some. Will try avocado and toast today! We had a a set back with it all here, as for 10 days or so I was just BF'ing H ( after her virus) until everything settled down and then only gradually re introducing bland foods. I was probably too cautious, and I also have to get over my fears of H choking.
About the corn spears.... do you do them fresh?
Poor X with his hyper sensitive gag reflex. You must have worn a fair bit of vomit in your time.
Interestingly I have only ever nicked Hannah's fingers when using clippers and never with scissors, whereas Buzzie says clippers are better. Guess different people do things differently. H usually is pretty good about holding still for me while I trim her nails.
Bec - that is so cute about Isaac - his food and nails.
A while ago someone mentioned that their bubs liked to suck their face? Hannah has just started doing that - leaning in and planting one on my cheek, and roaring with laughter. So cute.
She totally amazed us the other day. She turns the pages in her books when we read to her, but Dh asked her "Where's wombat?" And she pointed to wombat on the page in her book... not just once - on every page. And she's done it since and with other books. What a spin out. Who knew that she knew so much already? Still no crawling - lucky me!
This will be quick, Isaac has just gone to sleep and I have heaps to do.
Belfie - no you didn't sound soapboxy at all. Love the advice, I'm doing more BLS now, and its so much more fun. Isaac is really enjoying it.
Dory - wow Hannah Bear sounds like she's a very intelligent bub! Well done to page turning too. Isaac just tries to grab the books all the time but he does enjoy looking at the pictures and listening to all my silly voices. That was me about the face sucking, it's so funny! I've been thinking about egg too, and peanut butter. Is now ok to do that?
Isaac is really good at standing now while holding onto something, and he has even pulled himself up from sitting to standing by himself too, I'm just amazed how fast this is all going. His day sleeps are still short (half hour) although yesterday one of his naps was an hour and the day before that 2 hours. Not really sure how to keep him asleep so that he is happy in his awake time. It's hard with short naps, sometimes I can resettle him but most of the time he just becomes more and more awake.
Just very quickly... its good to hear how other people are trying solids. I've been trying to incorporate a mixture of both. Today I gave George toast with avocado for breakfast and he loved it, made a mess, but had lots of fun!
I feel like he is such a big boy now... he's been crawling for a while now, and is trying to pull himself up, but his little legs are struggling. He is almost 12kgs, and has been on 2 bottles per day for a few weeks.
Sleep is still great, sleeps 13 hours at night and approximately 5 hours in the day - down to just 2 sleeps. No teeth as yet!
Bec - I saw the pics of Isaac standing, I couldnt believe it, what a star!! Excellent news about his dad, it took a while, but its fantastic to hear that he is taking some interest now.
Isn't amazing how much our little ones are growing and how quickly? Remember the early days when you would put them down anywhere and they would fall asleep? Now I put him down and he could end up anywhere! Lol They really are a joy!
Connie - WOW George does sound like a grown up boy! Toast and avocado.. ill have some of that. Awesome sleeping too. Cant believe I still get up twice at night - at least.
Dory - thats pretty impressive pointing at a wombat! I will have to try and teach Chloe. She turns the pages but thats it at this point. hannah is such a clever little thing!
Bec - can I order some seatbelt covers please? The pink + zebra ones? I will transfer cash straight away if you have them. THANKS
Chloe is going well. She is crawling and pulls herself up to standing and then 'walks' around things to where she wants to be. A bit wobbly so a few falls and tears. She has learnt to wave hello and goodbye which is so so cute and has taken to saying 'Gah' over and over. I think it is because we say 'good girl' to her a lot -haha. She has a rash on her cheeks so I am trying to figure out what food it would be. Have cut out the yoghurt to start with. I was giving her a little bit of the natural stuff for dessert. Hopefully that will help as I am not sure what else it would be... do you think maybe the baby cereal/porridge??
Oh yeh - still waking twice every night here *sigh*
Added later: Any advice on buying a baby helmet? We are going to Rottnest in July (she will be 10 months old roughly) and will be riding everywhere..
Fuzzy - OMG she's crawling and pulling herself to standing!?!? Wow that's impressive
Bec - same re Isaac, I can't believe he's standing!
Annika is such a sedentary little boofer, she can't even roll back to front yet (only does front to back) and can't stand that well anymore either (she stood better a few months ago).
Connie - wow, he is a big boy - 12kg is very impressive! That sleep is lovely too.
Dory - the corn spears were from a can, I haven't tried fresh ones yet. That's so cute about the wombat, she's a clever little mite! As for vomit, ah we just stand back & watch now (except when it lands on carpet - that's my least fave - anything else can be washed).
Buzzie - I've got both the plastic/baby safe clippers & the normal metal baby ones but I just couldn't seem to get the hang of the plastic ones... lol but maybe I should try them again! I use just normal metal baby clippers but I was doing it in a room with poor light... so my mistake. I haven't dared go near them since, but I really need to!
Speaking of vomit... we had our 12th wedding anniversary the other day, had a lovely day, out for lunch, shopping, cooked a beautiful prawn stirfry for dinner (kids had some of the veg & we ate the rest)... only I got food poisoning Vomited all night then runs. Gaaah. I swear I'm a magnet to gastro/food poisoning, so frustrating! Plus my annoying MIL... my DH rang to ask her for some help that morning (we'd both been up from 2.30am till after 5am) and she said she could come after 2ish (and she's all like oh-so-gracious I can help you guys out). Well she rings at 2ish and asks me do I REALLY need her cos she's got lots to do (wants to write up her committee meeting minutes... her VOLUNTARY committee). Hmm so I'm a soft touch and said no it's fine. But DH really needed to do some work and I was so wrecked. First I didn't care but then later we were both annoyed about it. What do you guys reckon? Is that lame or what?
Foodwise I've taken to givign the kids yoghurt for morning tea, and it's so funny, X is such a messy eater. But he starts telling off Annika for being too messy - it was hilarious... when he's sitting there with a big yoghurt goatee & dribbles all down his bib! Oh and we're good for peanuts yaaaaah! Next to tick off is egg... just gotta wait till X isn't here! Oh and we're getting lots of da da da DA DADDA dadda. Then X repeats it. Tehehe it's fascinating seeing her be so interested in everything he does... and he adores her, just has to give her cuddles ALL the time. The other day at daycare he asked if I could leave her there with him! tehe.
Belfie - that is pi$$ poor by your MIL, I know exactly how you feel... I wish people would decline rather than cancelling last minute.
fuzzy - is there any chance the rash on her cheeks is teething? I thought the baby cereal was meant to be 1 of the safest foods, so I wouldn't think it was that.
Just as I said G isnt pulling himself up yet - he pulled himself up today. I go to get him after a nap now and he is up on his knees with his arms hanging over the edge of the cradle. We have had him in a cradle from day 1 - we have planned to get a cot when we move into the new house. Well, since the house has been delayed by 6 months, he is still in the cradle, and now it is officially unsafe for his day sleeps, because he stands up in. I think the interim solution is the portacot we used when we went interstate. Grrrr stupid house!
Fuzzy and Bec - sounds like Chloe and Isaac are physical little bubs - Pearl is like Annika - not much interest in moving at all just sitting and (very occassional) rolling which is great (it's always much harder when they start moving around.
Belfie - grrr to you MIL - that would really annoy me and I would probably say the same thing and tell her it was alright and get annoyed later. It is particularly vexing when your own family is miles away and you know they would not let you down like that. Thanks for all the BLS info - I have been vaugly giving P bits and pieces for a while now (a chicken bone or piece of pear) and I should probably look into doing something more formal so I will have a look at the links you suggested. How much losec is A on?
Fuzzy - if it makes you feel any better we have started having some really bad nights here again - last night I lost count of the times I was up!
Dory - what a smartypants HB is! I think she was the one who was looking at daddy early too?
Connie - 6MONTHS!!! makes my pipe dream of being in our new house (which hasn't even started) seem ridiculous! 12kg! what a healthy boy!
Soo tired today - just had a little nap while P was asleep but think it made me feel worse. Have started my census job and it seems pretty easy to do from home so far so that is good. Went and saw another dr the other day (she was excellant) and told me not to worry too much about feeding P solids yet also said to stear clear of grains with her intolerance issues (so no bread and avo here!) The dr is still bf her 3year old so was totally on the same wave length. She told me to see the paed about P's flat head (and sticky outy ear) and losec dose. I rang to ask about our paed appt and they hadn't even put us on the list!!! I have to fax the referral to them! WE went there (110kms away) almost a month ago and we havn't been on the waiting list the whole time - how annoying!
Connie - wow 12 kgs! And go George with the crawling and pulling himself up! That's no good about your house being delayed by 6 months.
Fuzzy - I have the pink/zebra strap covers here (pretty sure, if I don't I'll make some for you), I should still have your address to send them to. And wow Chloe is such an active little bub! Two night wakes here still too, you're not alone! No advice on helmets sorry. Have fun at Rottnest, I remember riding around that island, very nice
Belfie - A similar thing happened to me not long ago (cancelling at the last minute).. it is so annoying and inconsiderate, especially when you really need help. Did you try peanut butter with Annika? I bought some today so I'm thinking of giving some to Isaac. What do you look for to tell if they are allergic? Also thinking of trying egg. How do babies eat egg? Do you boil it, scramble it or a different way?
Chuckie - your dr sounds great! Bummer about not being on the waiting list though.
As for me, having a bad week here. My XH had a baby with his new girlfriend, I am happy for him as it's what he always wanted and I thought I wouldn't be bothered as we are still friends but I'm finding I keep thinking how easy she is going to have it.. she has him to help (which I know he will, he'll do a lot and look after her as best he can, he's just that kind of guy), she also has a 10 year old daughter who will help her too. I have never met her but finding myself resenting her a little and feeling jealousy for the first time in a long time. Is that wrong? Maybe I should just stop thinking about it.
Having second thoughts about going to Tanzania, might delay it.
Isaac had a horror day today, I don't know why. He didn't sleep during the day and he cried a lot which I didn't cope with very well. Tomorrow is a new day.
I think I'm getting petty in my old age. My MIL just rang (finally) to see how I was and offer to pop around to help tomorrow (she's actually babysitting Sat night as we're going to a 40th b'day - see, old ).... and so I told DH to say no I was fine, didn't need any help. Now I'm thinking that was really stupid of me. I should always say yes when she offers. I just get sick of doing the big grovelly thank-you dance that she wants. But honestly I'm feeling fine again and relatively on top of things. It's amazing the difference it makes having DH well again and not having to look after him too. And as for actually getting a night off... OMG... don't get me started on that. It's a miracle, and I've made a deal of saying how we've RSVP'ed, and are expected etc. Hopefully it doesn't go pearshaped at the last minute, especially since Annika still doesn't feed from a cup or bottle (they're considered strictly novelty - for 10-30mls only!). Thanks for the understanding about MIL, it helped to make me feel like I'm not going nutty, she really is truly annoying. Speaking of Annika, my 365 pic today is of her having peanut butter (smooth) toast... teheh she's such a little fatty boomba and she was eating it SO ferociously, cracked me up!
Connie - that's awesome about G pulling himself up today - too funny about the timing tho! Bummer re it stuffing up the bedding arrangements though. Maybe if you ask around would someone have an old cot you could borrow? I reckon it's so annoying when you have your first bub, often you don't know many folks with baby equipment... but then once you have a second, you seem to know HEAPS of folks with all this spare stuff lying around but now you don't need it cos you already bought it for the first bub! Seemed to happen to us anyway lol.
Chuckie - phew, I'm relieved to hear I have got the only sedentary little chubba! So saying, Annika doesn't even sit all that well, she flops around like crazy and I still have to put lots of cushions around her. Does Pearl sit entirely independently? Losec-wise, Annika is on 5mg (half a tablet per day). My paed reckoned that was the therapeutic dose whether she was 3kg or 10kg. I thought I read in the reflux thread that Pearl was on 10mg, is that right? That's so annoying about not being on the waiting list! I hope you can get in sooner, do they have a cancellation list? Bummer re the grains too. Do you need to avoid anything else, or is it just those? And how did they work out that she had an intolerance? (sorry you might have already said - vague-brain here!).
Bec - I'm sorry to hear you're having second thoughts about Tanzania & mixed thoughts re XH.... it's sounds so understandable though. I really think I could post every day to say I think you are doing an amazing job doing it on your own, and I can't think of many people I know who would tackle it with such positivity, bravery AND start a little business on the side too! You really are superwoman! But you are also allowed to feel a little jealous of someone else having things a bit easier. I've spent 4 months being jealous of girls with DH's who are well & able to help... and while you're superwoman, you're human too! Looking after bubbas is wonderful, rewarding, challenging and relentless. And everyone has down days/hours/months etc! I know I have days where I feel more than a little gaga... and funnily enough I was talking to a friend of mine who's bub is the same age (her first) and she's suddenly feeling very flat, a bit PND-ish. I reckon it tends to hit just about now. It's like we psych ourselves up for pregnancy, birth, newborn hell... and then when the bub is about 6-7 months (just coming into winter for us - not great timing) i think it sinks in that this is it. That it's not just a short-term challenge, that our life HAS changed, and it isn't changing back. I think it's not uncommon to feel a bit trapped or disillusioned (and then the guilt that goes with feeling like that - "if I was a better mother I wouldn't feel like this", "look at everyone else, they all love this life, but I'd just like a break sometimes"). I think I felt it a lot my first winter with Xander. I loved him to bits but I felt my life was just GONE (it didn't help that DH had done his back and my car was crashed into and took 5 weeks to be repaired)... I felt horribly house-bound and trapped in my life. And I think it's really important to talk about this kinda stuff and let ourselves be human. And lets face it, it is a HUGE adjustment with your first baby... and for example, me before having Xander... well I had a sweet old time poncing around the CBD in a suit, "lunching", getting my hair done, going to the gym... it was pretty sweet. But this time around with Annika, it's not changed my life nearly as much and I have found it much easier. I think there really is such a huge first time adjustment. Now I realise I've probably digressed a little from my original point, because in your case, the mixed feelings about XH are even more complicating! And while I could say "yeah, don't think about it".. ah easier said than done isn't it! So explore it here, or with friends - whatever works for you. I guess I just want to make the point that it's natural to have mixed feelings... oh and a big hug for you Ms Superwoman .
AFM I'm feeling so much better. I went shopping this morning with Annika and she slept in the stroller. I think it was the first time in months that I've just sauntered round the shops, no rush, no hurry... did some "browsing" cos I didn't want to wake her. Didn't have anything urgent to do at home (X was at daycare), it was really nice. Plus she's been pretty feral with teeth (I found it really hard to cope with on Tuesday) and today she seemed a bit better, man it was a relief. I'm thinking of getting her an amber teething necklace. Anyone else using one? opinions? I haven't tried one before.
Belfie - I have visions of Annika scoffing peanut paste on toast hehe. I think I would have done the same thing as you have with your MIL. She should have been more reliable in the first instance and as she wasnt, well its hard to hope she would be for the next time. Does that sound bad? Didnt mean it to - just that I would be skeptical too. ahhhh browsing the shops...have not done that for ages. Must have been nice! CHloe has a teething necklace. I got it online somewhere...cost $15. Cant say it has worked as she has no teeth haha - or maybe its worked a treat!
Connie - I guess she could be teething. She doesnt have any yet.. It seems to be a little better today since I stopped giving her yogurt though. I will wait a few weeks and try a small amount again. What a good strong boy George! When will your new place be ready for moving into?
Chuckie - I hope you gave her an earful! That is unacceptable and really frustrating Grrrrrr.
Bec - Awesome re: seatbelt covers. I will transfer cash now. Its totally normal to feel jealous but then would you really want to trade positions? Thats how I try and look at things. Sometimes I think "I wish we had a life like that.." but you always assume people are happier and have things easier than they actually do. I honestly think you are doing such an amazing job. You have Isaac all to yourself and you have started a small business (which is going great guns) and you are talking travelling too! I bet I dont even know the half of it . It makes me happy to think there are mums out there like you.
Dory - hows things going?
AFUs - well I am now working 2.5 days per week which, surprisingly, feels great (on top of being president of the largest netball club in perth - not so great *sigh*). Chloe is saying 'gah' and 'dah' and LOVES watching birds. Last night she woke only once for the first time in her short little life. 2am then 7am! I cannot believe it. Hoping she does the same tonight FX. Got my appt with the endo tomorrow to get my thyroid checked again but I feel completely normal so I hope he is going to give me the a-ok. I start playing netball this Saturday too which will be a bit of a shock to the body - eep!
thanks Belfie and fuzzy. Can't write much as I am cuddling Isaac but just want to say thanks. Belfie what you said makes so much sense and describes very well how I am feeling lately.
sounds like all our bubs are making similar sounds, so cute. Isaac is doing the da da dadadada da and gah gaga's. I'm telling myself he is bilingual and is saying sister in swahili (dada) but he doesn't have one of those either so my theory makes no sense haha. I think its just the easiest sound to make.
Got really spoiled this morning. Pearl has been busy shopping online she got quite a few things for me that you can't buy in Streaky and DH put together a 40 minute DVD of all of the vids of Pearl - I am going to have to start planning Father's Day already to keep up with the high standard!
I hope you are all having a great day - especially those of us celebrating our first mother's day!
Just crashing your thread. I know some of you from my pre-ttc and ttc days! Alannah was due the beginning of October but came three weeks early but I stuck with the same group of girls as we had formed a great friendship. Buuuuut, Alannah is a bit older than all of them (aside from little Noah who is about 2 weeks younger) and sometimes find it hard to relate to stuff....not sure if that makes sense.
Anyways, I decided I might pop in here from time to time...if that is okay with all?!
Alannah was born by -section on the 19th Sept, 3 week early. She has two older brothers (one who was born the 14th Sept 2006! - gonna be a busy and exxy week that week every year!!). She has not learnt to crawl yet or even commando crawl but does roll all over the floor. Rather funny sometimes. Last week she started clapping which is so cute and then on the weekend was sitting on the floor and suddenly said 'hi' as clear as day! DH and I looked at each other and looked back at her with a big 'Hiiiiiii'!!! Prefer she said "mum' instead though. :-D
Well, best go and get the kitchen organised before dinner.
Vomited all night then runs. Gaaah. I swear I'm a magnet to gastro/food poisoning, so frustrating! Plus my annoying MIL... my DH rang to ask her for some help that morning (we'd both been up from 2.30am till after 5am) and she said she could come after 2ish (and she's all like oh-so-gracious I can help you guys out). Well she rings at 2ish and asks me do I REALLY need her cos she's got lots to do (wants to write up her committee meeting minutes... her VOLUNTARY committee). Hmm so I'm a soft touch and said no it's fine. But DH really needed to do some work and I was so wrecked. First I didn't care but then later we were both annoyed about it. What do you guys reckon? Is that lame or what?
).... and so I told DH to say no I was fine, didn't need any help. Now I'm thinking that was really stupid of me. I should always say yes when she offers. I just get sick of doing the big grovelly thank-you dance that she wants. But honestly I'm feeling fine again and relatively on top of things. It's amazing the difference it makes having DH well again and not having to look after him too. And as for actually getting a night off... OMG... don't get me started on that. It's a miracle, and I've made a deal of saying how we've RSVP'ed, and are expected etc. Hopefully it doesn't go pearshaped at the last minute, especially since Annika still doesn't feed from a cup or bottle (they're considered strictly novelty - for 10-30mls only!). Thanks for the understanding about MIL, it helped to make me feel like I'm not going nutty, she really is truly annoying. Speaking of Annika, 
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