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Horrid night here too. Poor bubba in pain from gas I think. Normally up at 230-3 and 530-6 but last night was 2 and then 445 after not going to her till 10. I put him in bed with me at 445 and is still asleep even after bring put in car and out again to take DH to work.
So the search for new formula starts again today and I think some coloxyl drops too. Just don't know what I should be looking for in them :(
Kylz - is he constipated? Have you tried the brauers (sp?) colic stuff? I used that with one of mine, just can't remember which one. How long are you giving each formula to settle in? Cos its good to give each formula a week (so basically finish the tin) cos it can upset bubs tummy if switching too much.
God I hate typing on my phone, I need more Internet time so I can actually get on my laptop to type.
Hey Mel
The whole Tin is GONE. I didnt try the brauers stuff cause he is burping fine now. Does it help with constipation too? His poo is like pebbles and he is straining and crying and his tummy is hard.
Kyla - coloxyl drops will be from the pharmacy, have a chat to the chemist about them, poor J... Have you tried some cool boiled water before a feed... Constipation could be because they are not getting enough water, so they want to feed more (in a BF baby this would cause the milk to get watery as a response) to increase the water content, but as formula doesn't change consistency it's not helping him (hope that doesn't sound judgmental in Ff vs BF cos it's not meant to at all)...
Also re the feeding/hungry noise, miss A makes the ehh soaked with the neh sound, and moiths/roots for a feed but I'm pretty sure this is cos she wants to suck as she is uncomfortable so I try to deal with the upper wind first, then she doesn't want to have a feed cos she didn't really need it
Dont know if that's helpful at all...
Bbl when I'm on the computer to post properly :)
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Haha snap SJ, I was just about to come in and suggest water to Kylz! I know my ff fed bubs were having water by a month old.
Kylz - you could try the water at the 2 hour mark - might be thirsty instead of hungry? :dunno:
I will give that a go. How much do I give him?
I was told to give warm water for his poos but that isnt doing anything :(
Bad night here as well, but this was because of BF issues which i put in another post in the BF section. Have been in tears all morning because of the BF issues. Need to pull myself together as we have a doctor appointment and they will probably bring out the PND test if I'm crying...I know it's not PND but the professionals always err on the side of caution based on my previous experience.
On the good side no real grizzly time yesterday afternoon...yay.
Jenna - I found a nipple shield useful for getting DS attached but we still have feeding issues.
Kitty - :hug: hopefully it will all be fine.
Mildez - no magical cure just some advice which was really frustrating and leaves me wondering where to from here, i put it in a post in the BF section.
Brown sugar in water is supposed to help with constipation.:
With the water, I just put maybe 40mls at a time in a bottle of cooled boiled water and if they drank it, they drank it. Aricyn hated it the first time, probably cos it wasn't milk lol
Lisa - I'm sorry you are having bfeeding issues :hug: the girls give great advice on the bfing part of the forum though. I have no advice cos this is the first time I've been successful! Failed miserably the first and third time, and didn't try at all second time (apart from some expressing!). It's so hard when something that is portrayed as being so natural is so bloody difficult!
I'm with you there!!!:
I'm with u there too.:
Ditto!!! I love how they say 'babies come out knowing how to bf' Ummmm bull sh*t they do!
I went to a different weigh in clinic today and I am soooo glad I went there. The other two clinic's I went to the ladies were LC and they made me feel so bad by feeding EBM rather than BF. They made me feel really inadequate and a bit of a failure. The lady at todays clinic was a midwife and she was so nice and reassuring. She didn't make me feel horrible about feeding EBM and FF. i told her how my expressing was so time consuming and that i was struggling keeping up with it and she was all for me going solely formula. She told me how great of a job i had done to go this far while i am on my own at home. Like someone else has said, she said that formula is made purely to feed baby. So yeah, i feel a bit better after today. Now to just convince DH and get him on board and than to deal with his family. It really s***s me, why should it concern anyone else what or how you feed YOUR baby. I can just see it now, I am going to cop so much from the inlaws. Not looking forward to it. I'm not looking forward to trying to convince DH also.
I can't see their reason to dislike ebm - is it because it's from a bottle? It's still breastmilk... Bbl when the vampire has unlatched and has let me put away groceries...
How dare they even thinks it's their business enough to say anything!!!! I would GO OFF at my IL's even they even looked at me sideways!!!
Hope, I think your amazing! Don't let anyone bully you at all, you are predominantly parenting alone TWO babies and doing a fantastic job. how dare anyone tell you what to do or frown upon you... Your body, your babies, your choice. I understand the pro BF sentiment, but it's also about what's best for YOU too.
Xxoo
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hope: you know we all think your awesome FF or BF. Hope you have a nice chat with DH and that he can understand where you are coming from, sounds like you will need his support with his family and really it will be his duty to tell them to back off.
mel: you are so right.
lisa: Don't put too much pressure on yourself about BF it will work out :hug: hope you get the help you need in the BF advice forum.
C is doing good, feeding well still every 3 hours during the day though, is that too much? I always have trouble getting him to stay latched to my right boob though, if he is hungry he latches like a champ but if he is only peckish or wakes up during the night and I give it to him he messes around latches and unlatches then cries at me while im offering it to him cos he is hungry. Haven't booked to see the dr yet, will go on friday I think, im going to get in as much naughty food as I can just in case I get the bad news.
gah why does C know exactly when Im on the computer??? BBL prob
btw did you all see the new guideline, no photos in tickers. fair enough, I just need to remember to get rid of mine whne the child is not screaming at me!!
hope - you have done a fantastic job doing what you have done and with twins....remember it is ur choice, ur body, ur babies no IL's should have a say in what is best as you will be the only one that knows. I had the same thing with mark's mum on the weekend but opposite - i mentioned something to his aunty as we were out to lunch and she was listening that my bb's are a lil big for Jack's mouth and that it hurts to bf if i don't attach him prob and take the time (like when i am half asleep). she was like i would of had him straight on formula etc etc as that is what i did with mark's sister as i had a terrible time with bfding mark!! well i was like nope i want to perservere with bf as much as possible, as i know it will get better as he gets better
hi everyone esle have been reading but been busy and trying to find time to get on computer - mark has a new ps3 game so that is his fav thing to do when he gets home - yay to me!!
hahaha is that whats wrong with her lol
Thankyou so much everyone. You are all awesome and so supportive. To be honest, I am quite terrified about the whole thing, lol. I convince myself that yep, this is it, I'm giving up on the EBM but than I get the guilts up and tell myself to keep persevering. I don't want to disappoint anyone, including myself. I hate that I can't BF (I've tried and tried but just can't get it right) as I had such big expectations that I was going to rock at it. So at least with the EBM, I'm still providing for my boys. I'm just sooo tired and finding it hard to find enough time to express. Plus, I really don't want to deal with any confrontations. What a sook hey! The thing is, DH is ok with me FF through the night but he is always on me about putting the boys back on booby and to eat properly and drink plenty of water etc etc so my supply stays up for "when" I start feeding them again. Aaarrrrgggghhhhh!!! So sorry for keep going on about this and thankyou so much for putting up with me....
scone: Pretty much because it's just from a bottle. I don't understand, it's still the same product, just given in a different way.
WMM: Believe me, I would love to go off but I'd hate to cause any trouble for anyone. They are so opinionated. I have to try to remember that, unfortunately, they are DH family.
SJ: Thanks so much.
Kitty: Your awesome.
Iona: My mum is like that. She can't understand why I keep persevering with the booby juice, she keeps telling me to just use the formula. She's like "you know what I would be doing". Hehehe, I have one side who shuns upon Formula and the other side keeps pushing me to do it.
I just want to give everyone in here a :grouphug: You all rock. Thankyou all so much.
Kitty why don't you do a few bsl's to get an idea of what's going on. Do you still have the machine?
Hi everyone... I've been a bit slack with the persies... I seem to have a booby monster ATM.
Lol probably:
Hope - sending u hugs back u sure need them
Jak - jack was like that last nite feeding every hr from 4:30-7:30 and most the time he would feed for 10mins n then fall asleep
Woohoo jack woke n fed every 3hrs instead of every 2 ova nite - wonder if it will b a constant thing
woot dont know whether it was the new formula or a fluke but jayden went to bed at 830 and didnt wake till 3 had bottle straight back to sleep and i had to wake him at 645 to take jus to work.
See u lovelie brissie ladies later
Hi to everyone
waaaaaahhhhh not fair!!!!!!:
Ugh I'm bleeding again, how annoying!
You will be there I promise.:
Lol :D
Hope - I can't help not respond to you about the BF/EBM/FF issue. You have done a fabulous job, expressing is hard enough let alone having twins. I know what you mean about people getting funny about EBM. I've had that too, but most people now respect it as I have been doing it for so long and when they hear about how much I've tried with BF. I also had similar comments about the nipple shield...it's not breast feeding (my thought is #$*& off ((sorry ladies)) the baby is on the breast ). I have different people in my family who comment on I should be moving to FF given the troubles and others that think I should persist with the breast. I can't get it right for everyone. I think few understand the EBM method. If you want to continue with EBM it can help to try and make things as efficient as you can with the type of pump, being able to double pump hands free and feed a baby a bottle at the same time...I picked this up from one LC and has made my life so much easier. I completely understand and would respect your decision to move onto FF. I might be there myself soon.
Kitty - I would be doing the naughty foods too. I did before my GDD test because I was convinced that I had it as I had a few symptoms of it.
AFM; seeing the osteo today..yay! On a funny note we had dinner with an in-law and her kids a couple of nights ago. I had DS at the breast and the 4yo said what is DS doing. I replied having a drink. The 4yo said 'well where is his drink bottle then'. As a first time mum was not sure what to say:ROFL:
DS is 6 weeks old today...happy week birthday bubba. I love him so much. Apparently things are supposed to be better after 6 weeks...well we will see.
Lisa - I hope things get better for you soon. Just try to remember that at the end of the day, you are the one that has to be the most happy - not random family members that aren't the parent and aren't going through what you are. Unless they are walking in your shoes, their opinion is probably just as useful as boobs on a bull.
Have fun at the meet up today brissie girls, I'm still hoping to get up there next year!! Have to look into changing real estate agents to get one that will actually sell our place!
We had a crap night here last night, S didn't settle in the early evening she was so restless. Then I fed her around 9.30 on both sides and she fell asleep, then by that time it was around 10.30, so we got into bed and she woke up every 2 hours after that. Then the 16 month old was awake and in our bed, as well as the 4 year old, DH went to put 4 year old back in bed, 16 months old starts crying cos daddy is leaving the room and she's going through some hell separation anxiety at the moment, so her cries wake the baby that I just got to sleep, then the 2.5 year old wakes up for some milk. Urgh. I just want at least 2 hours sleep in a row!!! Need coffee through an iv today I think....
Some days I wish I just had one child! This happens to be one of them...
Sorry you had a crap nite Mel. You could buy one of those beer hats with straws for your coffee :D
Lisa happy 6 weeks to your wee bundle! I'm hoping things get easier at 6 weeks too.
Afm- we had a somewhat better night last night! Infect compared to the previous two!!!
Oooh now that's an idea jak :think:
Jaki & Lisa - I was using the shield, but she screams just as much with that as she does with just the boob, though we had a bit more success yesterday where she spent 2 mins sucking before deciding to start screaming.
Forgot what else I was going to say yet again :(
afm - Elise put on 235g in the past week YAY! hehe, think the extra FF is what did it this week lol, have discovered that she's less unsettled after a FF fist thing in te morning and is more likely to sleep through with a FF last thing at night, which makes for a happy mummy and daddy, just need to get DS over his cold now and convince him start sleeping through again.
Internet went down on monday night, finally got it fixed last night and then had to spend the evening cleaning up the entire house as we had an evaluater come around this morning to see what the house is worth. Now to wait a few days to find out what he thinks it's worth.
Will be back later, feeding time at the zoo once again.
hi ladies.
Mel, i know exactly how you feel, i was contemplating taking fil up on the boys living with him the other day, they are driving me mad, constantly waking both the girls up when i finaly get them to sleep.
i feel realy confident i can take this whole BF thing past 3 months, for the first time EVER i actualy expressed some out!! only problem i had was keeping a seal around the pump, boobs are a bit on the small side. but 50 mls im so proud! pluss ive been forcing myself to eat at least twice a day instead of just dinner.
i had a freak out lastnight, A was feeding and milk started coming out her nose! i was to scared to go to bed incase something was wrong. when i finaly went to bed, she woke wasnt hungry but just lied there fussing for 2 hrs, have to try get her sleeping in her own bed at least half the night.
5.5yo and almost 4yo,free to good home, any takers??
Reading but have very crook son and step daughter here so havnt had a chance to post.
Well we are now up to formula number 8 the karicare lactose free was better than the others bub Ella is still moaning and groaning in her sleep and seems very uncomfortable and restless while sleeping and we have had a few episodes of arching her back and screaming with a couple of feeds so she is still getting pretty bad wind.
The chemist said try Novalac colic formula and Marina infant mixture which is a natural peppermint flavoured mixture that helps lower abdominal discomfort and colic babies so here we go again so far she is burping like a trooper and falling asleep by herself and sleeping a good 4-5 hours now if only we can get the moaning and groaning and uncomfortable sleep under control we will have a very content baby.
Hope- I felt like crap that i couldnt even give Ella one breast feed so she didnt even get the first antibodies (i BF the boys for at least a week) i still feel a little sad about it but it just wasnt ment to be because of her cyst under her tongue.
You should feel proud for what you have acheived.
Have to go the princess is awake.
Hi to everyone
Ferrals do you wrap her for bed? Maybe she is just a noisy restless sleeper?
Jayden is really noisy he grunts and groans and tosses and turns.
I don't wrap him he hates it.
Oh my... was wondering what the as I have not received any notifications..
Just wanted to say thank you for the lovely day Brissy girls. Jak, I missed you!! Lovely to meet you Scone. xx
I really needed today girls, so thank you.. even though I was tired as.. It was so worth the two hours it took to get home. Love yous. xx
Hi to everyone else and sorry, will do personals tomorrow. xx
So girls, tell me, when you all have your meet ups, where about's in BrisVegas do you have them? What side? ;)
brissie girls: sorry I had to bail early guys :) but had so much fun, Im sad i didnt make it to cotton on kids but I saw there is a sale on starting tomorrow??? hehehe. And I get PPL payment tomorrow apparently, ah its meant to be
jaki: I do still have the machine, it was free cos I was in hospital when I got it :) Its one of the times I adore the public health system, but I figured I would just bite the bullet so I booked in to see the dr at 11am tomorrow morning. If I have it I have it and I will just have to deal. Since having GD ive changed my eating habits anyway, its only some times I treat myself but most times I'm quite sensible. Except for the mini wheats after lunch and after dinner thing :) God I love miniwheats. It was great to see you today at the meet up too ;) You fell on the floor once but we managed to get you back up on the table hahahah
ferrals: Chase is loud and grunty too, even when he isn't sleeping :) apparently prem babies are supposed to be louder or something, once he is in a deep sleep though he is silent as can be. too bad the only way to get him there is to hold him to sleep.
sarah: woo of course you can make it past 3 months BFing! You can keep your two kids though LOL I can barely handle my one hahaha
jenna: thats great about Elise's weight gain!! I remember the most C put on in a week was 410g...I was like, you fatty boombattie!!
Lisa: happy 6 weeks!!! LOL about the BFing and kids. My step-neice I think she would be...she is my stepdad's sons' girl...anyway she is only 5 years old and I was BFing tonight and she was like 'what are you doing?' so I had to explain he was having his dinner and that some babies had dinner by getting milk from the boob and some had dinner by a bottle. She stood there for a good 10 mins absolutely captivated by the fact I was feeding the baby from my chest LOL
Ok, how do I get him to sleep without me nursing him? Its getting to be annoying that to get him in bed at night I have to nurse him complete with boob. I've tried just putting him in the bassinet and leaving the room with the lights off and he just screams and screams, he really doesn't self settle. He also doesn't have a dummy, gags on them. Dont know what to do about this, i dont have time to be nursing him to sleep after every feed.
Oh my wat am I doing awake - jack hasn't woken for a feed (been 4hrs since last one woohoo) and here I am awake grrr silly silly girl
It was great seeing all of us brissie girls and jak u were missed in person but loved seeing ur smiling face ;)