always a sympathetic ear here Amy (and if i was local, a shoulder and an offer to help!)
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always a sympathetic ear here Amy (and if i was local, a shoulder and an offer to help!)
Very sweet. Thanks mate. :hug:
anytime hun
hope he pulls his head out soon to help you out
That's great Krystie!!! I rememeber a fertility nurse gave us a little talk about hyperstimulation syndrome and if I recall correctly she said that about 100mls per egg is normally released by the ovary or egg or somewhere?? not quite sure, but the upshot was that it can leave you very bloated and it can also dehydrate you and leave your blood pressure a bit low which may be the reason you were feeling nauseous as that is a common sign of low bp. I am sure that BG knopws all the details very well and could teach us all about it but my advice is just go real slow and if you feel wrong just give your clinic a call and talk thru your symptoms. They will know what is ok and what needs follow up. Can you believe it tho? you new little one is currently being held by someone in a little petrie dish deciding what bits of you and what bits of DH it is going to take on:) How exciting!!!!!!!
Love you all
Bella
yup - that all sounds about right Bella
definitely keep up the fluids K - and if you can, weigh yourself and measure your stomach - if the bloating gets worse, weigh yourself again. if you have overstimulated, you will put on a lot of weight quickly and it can be dangerous (the bad bad cases are rare - i've mildly hyperstimulated every time, but never to the point of gaining excessive weight or getting really unwell). it's normal to feel rather bloated - if it doesn't go down, if it gets worse, or you're at all concerned, call your clinic. if you have any other side effects (vomitting continues or you have any breathing or light headedness issues) call your clinic. the egg number you got is about what they aim for, so the risk of side effects is low - but it's still there. take care of yourself
BG
Well my computer is all fixed (had some issues posting on here today but cleared cookies and seems to be working now) - so happy felt like my arm was missing not having the net or just having it really slow.
Naomi - Hope your second day back at work went ok, I still don't know what is happening with work but if I do go back will be quite weird leaving CJ for the day - I hope I get that sort of reaction from her that you got from Bailey - I have seen her do that for DH if she hasn't seen him for a couple of days (with his shifts sometimes can happen).
Is actually a bit annoying at the moment as his work are not even giving him a week in advance notice of his shifts, when he worked in faults always got three weeks ahead but is a real pain when like this week doesn't know till the Monday what hours will be working the following week.
K - Hope you are feeling less bloated and all goes well
BG - Hope you are also feeling better soon and Emerald too
Amy - Great news on the TT front with Natty - I know you were finding it pretty frustrating a while back - my mum reckons is all linked to their ability to talk which fits with Natty becoming such a chatterbox too.
Bella - Are you in a Mothers Group or similar, a friend from my mothers group is worried about her sister who is up in QLD (Mango Hill - is that really a suburb or have I just heard wrong) as says no Mothers Groups are organised in QLD by the council like they are down here? How did you go about getting into one if you are? I have said to get on to BellyBelly and look around in the different sections.
Cathy - Yes I think Raindrops did go back to the UK after not being over here very long at all, she was a friend on FB but seems to have disappeared off there as well.
Jacinta - Hope you are feeling a bit better. CJ isn't really saying anything either and like BG said in other thread don't think is anything to be concerned about at this age.
Nicole - Great stats from A, and must be great to have some dates now.
Nicky - Loved the invite DH saw on my FB too and was impressed.
Bridg - I have to admit like Nicky I didn't know what a backseat buddy was either!
Does everyone else have mobile bubs? CJ will push backwards and spin round on her stomach but no sign of going forward of getting onto her knees at all yet. I know really is probably just her laid back personality but I really want her to crawl just so I know she can and isn't an issue with her hips. The hospital said hips wouldn't affect her crawling and if she is late to crawl is her personality but you know how these things nag at you! At MG she just lays there and all the others are crawling all over even those a fair bit younger (she is also the baldest in MG (might be in this group too?) but am not fussed on that and know I was a real baldy). On weekend DH took away all her toys and had her on the floor reaching for a grape that was just out of reach for about 20 mins she didn't even get frustrated she did get her bum quite high in the air though but if bum is high head is down.
Bridg - I heard Shep was hit bad by the storms, glad you guys didn't get too affected, this weather is frigin crazy aint it? I should ring my bro and see how they fared! I am hoping they head over for Baileys Bday so I must give them a call and a pep talk :) Can't wait to check out the back seat buddy!
Krystie - Sounds like a great EPU mate. Great advice given by Bella and BG. I recall that I felt a bit 'crampy' after my EPU, I used a wheat heat bag which seemed to work a treat. At Repromed here in Adelaide they write the number of eggs collected on your hand while you are still under the GA so when you wake up you can see right away, seems crazy but I'm glad they did as that was the first thing I thought of when I woke. Bella is right, just think that your baby may already be on its journey (and starting its life in a petrie dish just like Aaron, Emerald and Bailey did in one way or another)
Nicky - the weather confuses me sometimes as to what to put Bailey in :o Mostly we've had warm weather so its shorts and Tshirts, but we've been in trackie daks a few days lately with low 20s. I struggle at night too with what to put Bailey in, its warmer when he goes to bed but then cools off so sometimes I take the thicker sleeping bag off and put the lightweight one on, I think I worry he'll be cold and tend to over heat him sometimes - Arrgghhh!! It was much easier in the middle of winter when they were little and you could just bundle them up against the cold, I DEFINATELY want another winter baby :D LOL @ these netball uniform - who designs these things? Not a really confidence outfit unless you are a stick figure, but I bet you will look great anyway - wooohooo with the fake tan! If you are as bad at me in applying it you'll have orange palms in no time LMAO
Vic - that spaghetti sucking vid on FB had me in stiches, I love the hilarious sucking action, CJ rocks with her eating, what a little legend! Re her crawling, some babies go straight to walking you know, do you know at what point you and DH reached these milestones, that MIGHT be an indication? I dont think Bailey would be crawling forwards even without his brace, although he is crawling backwards, it really is more of a push backwards (and our smooth tiles help him do it). What department is Ryan working for now? I should look him up in our directory now that I am back LOL! I thought they HAD to give 10 days notice of shifts, I know in our department we have to!
Bella - Yay re 2011 TTC, I am really happy for you babe. I have learnt that as woman we are genetically engineered to be Mums and god help anyone that gets in our way of motherhood or creating another baby - even a DH or an exam hehehehehe!! I wish you baby dust for baby #2 when the time is right for you to start trying
Nic - I would love you to send me the egg present for Bailey, if you PM me or FB message me with your details I can either send you some $$ or deposit it directly into your bank. Thanks Babe, I have soon learnt even after just 2 days that time is so precious for me that even things like shopping are hard to find time for. When Sean goes back to work I think we will use the Coles Online for our grocery shopping, even if its a bit more expensive I think the convenience will pay for itself (and stop us from buying impulse lines while we are instore!!) Glad to hear you have some dates sorted for Aarons appts, at least you know a timeline of when you will have your next updates etc. Hang in there babe....... :hug:
Cathy - Yeah I think Raindrops did go back to the UK, I did have her on facebook, but not sure if I deleted her in cull I had a few months ago? I think she may have deleted me before that cos I dont recall being on in any updates from her for aaaagggggeeesss. How cute that Cara says Ro-ro! It's funny while I was pregnant I was dead against videoing Baileys birth, but now I would LOVE to watch it from the other end so to speak. Although watching it might take away the 'romanticism' of my memory of it - you know what I mean, you remember what you want to remember and block out the rest LOL
J - It sure is getting scary that we have 1st birthdays upon us! Time sure does fly by, at work today I was feeling like I'd never left (and yet SOOOO much has happened since I did). Glad you are feeling a bit better, hope it stays that way for you!
Amy - I remember reading a post from you a week or so ago about how after going back to work you are making the most of quality time with your girls. I totally get it now, rather than being bogged down in the never-ending nappy changes, feeds, meals, naps blah blah blah - all of a sudden its an absolute delight again (when you dont have to do it all day long hahahaha). It certainly makes you appreciate the time with them doesn't it, even if it is at the change table PMSL. I am so sorry to hear that you are having a tough time babe. You are such a great Mum and it breaks my heart to hear that you feel your kids are an inconvenience to everyone else. I'd be proud to look after them ANY time - damn the frigin distance DOH! Your post is NOT selfish in anyway, you are always here to give the rest of us a pick up when we are low and struggling so I know personally I want to be able to return the favour. I wish I could come and offer some practical help, but in leui of that I wanted to send you some MASSIVE :hug: and let you know I am thinking of you and understand. Sometimes our DHs need a bit of a slap upside the head re priorities, so if you need me to administer one gimme a call LOL
BG - Are you feeling any better mate? And have you been to the Dr? If not I am demanding that you do - no ifs, buts or maybes! Look after yourself and take it easy. I reckon I was in the door by the time you posted, and yes I got some awesome cuddles again. I think Sean and Bailz had a tough day. Sean said Bailey was looking around and saying Mumma Mumma a lot and was grizzly so I think it wore Sean out by the end of the day trying to keep him happy. I think though that Bailey is just over tired, he missed his afternoon nap yesterday because the IL were here, woke at 330 this morning and really only snoozed after that, and only slept a total of 2 hours today. I am trying not to tread on Sean's toes too much (and failing miserably as I cant help myself) but I explained to him the whole sleep promotes sleep thing and this has to be his number one priority. Hopefully they'll both get used to the changes in the next few days as both tonight and last night Bailey has gone to be early as he is just buggered (which sucks for me as I want to play LOL). I am glad though that DH FINALLY understands what it is like to get nothing done all day and how draining these little ones can be (not that I want it to be at the expense of Baileys happiness but it was bound to happen at some point)
Well day 2 was easier, I still cried when I left home and had a few tear up moments but again got stuck into work to distract myself to make the day fly by. Fortunately there is plenty for me to do atm so its easy to find some distraction. Thursday is my RDO so we are off to Mothers Group in the morning after our morning nap and my Mum is popping around for a visit in the arvo and I am gonna make sure Bailey has some decent sleeps and try to get that back on track. Oh and how exciting - we are off to buy a new vacuum - crazy I know but I cant wait LOL (I am turning into a demented housewifey, work will soon knock that back out of me!!)
Enjoy the rest of your weeks Mummy's, will try to keep posting some 'quickies' so as not to get too far behind :)
Must away, there is a pile of junk mail awaiting me (yes Amy, I AM a junkie LOL)
Nay x
WB Vic! missed you! glad the puter is up and runnign again!
Nay - glad day two wasnt' as hard as day one - i think friday might test you a bit again after having tomorrow home - but with luck, sean will see how important sleep is for Bailz. thankfully (i think) with C having so much time off lately he's seen the difference and knows E needs sleep (and can actually make the call as to when. will be interesting to see how he goes with getting her to nap though!
haven't been to the doctors - just taking it easy on my own. the local GP is a twit, and not here often - to get into any other doctor i have to get into town - which is hard cos i have to work around mum. i'm not sick now, just flat. last night i thought maybe i was sick sick - but now i'm just tired and flat. i'll get over it! i think bad nights with E and this teething gig isn't helping at all. C and I both have headaches tonight. ive' given him a massage and am going to give him another soon. i hate seeing him like this - has to be bad for him to succumb to pain killers. apparently the boss of the place he's working said it's very common for people to get headaches from working in that environment. GREAT. so it's hard labour, dirty work - and they all get headaches. poor buggers. crap pay too lol
Hmmmm, all I am hearing are ifs, buts and maybes! LOL, jk babe, hope you and C perk up a bit and the headaches go away so you feel better:
hun, if you knew how much i hate asking anyone to run around after me (and how much i've had to do it lately) you'd understand! if E was unwell, i'd ask mum in a heartbeat - i think i'm just run down and it got the better of me. if i don't perk up soon, i'll get myself checked i promise!
Great news Krystie, like everyone else has said take it easy over the next few days and keep your water intake up!!
I was never given a GA for my EPU I was wide awake for them so I was counting the eggs as they plucked them out of me...heheh
LOL Naomi...our petrie dish babies are sure growing up fast!!
I had someone ask me a while ago if I would ever tell Aaron that is was made via IVF, I said that he was made via LOVE and am proud of our journey to get our little man.
Some people must still be living in the dark ages :wall:
I have been doing our Wollies on-line since I was 31 weeks PG and think it's great...save you time and money!! Even buy our pet food on-line as well.
The time we have with these little ones is sooo precious who wants to be shopping for pasta and toilet paper.
Vic, welcome back and glad to hear your computer is all better now!!
I am still using Safe mode and I HATE IT!!
Nearly arranged an IPhone today on DH plan which is up...still may do that ;) Hate to think when they take this computer away I will have no life line....
Hi girls!
Krystie - great news on the EPU! It all sounds very exciting! I hope you are feeling better soon. All the very very very best.
Naomi - Sounds like you have been going pretty well with work. That's great! I'm glad it's been a pretty smooth transition for you. Have a great day off today.
My muscles are currently screaming at me. They are not happy. Today will be a no cleaning day in my house. I will only be getting up when the kids need something. I cannot believe the amount of running we had to do... ws alright for most of the others. Skinny minis. lol. I got through it still alive which was great. I will be dropping dress sizes before I know it though. It's insane!
Hope everyone is well. Same old here. Lachie throwing tantrums like eh does every few hours, Allira getting into everything that she's not supposed to... haha
Ah crud... Have to go deal with the boy........
2 year olds are great fun.
Will pop back later to chat to everyone. xxoo
BG - Thanks for all your support and helpful advice! I ended up taking a couple of panadol late yesterday afternoon because it was hurting enough that I couldn't walk standing fully straight. It's still tender today, but much better than yesterday :) Oh, and I've been a good girl and am weighing myself daily like you suggested.
I'll have to pop over to the melb meetup thread again. I remember seeing it and I think I said I would go, so I better check the details. Transfer should be on Monday, so this weekend should be fine.
My parents life in Cranbourne, which I don't think is exactly "on the way", but is it sort of toward the right direction? I'm not sure exactly where you are so I'm not sure...
I hope you and E are both feeling better soon. Gosh illnesses that hang on for ages are sooooo annoying! Sometimes I would prefer to be really sick for a few days, than to be moderately sick for ages.
Amy - Nat's talking must be so cute. I can't wait for Kyson to start talking. He may have said his first word this morning but I'm not sure. After our nap he woke up, climbed on me to look at the other side of the bed where DH sleeps at night and was saying "dada dada". Could have been coincidence so I'll see if he does it again.
I love finding out Kyson's weight. My last nurse visit was at 8 months, and the next isn't until 12 months. I take him into my work once a month though and pop him on our "cat" scales, lol. They are the exact same brand and model that my nurse's office has, hehe. Hopefully Phoebe will start to be more content to play on the floor by herself soon. Since Kyson has been walking he's better at playing by himself. He still wants me to be pretty close by though.
I hope the cc situation isn't driving you too batty :(
Bella - Hmmm, I reckon you are problely right about the bp thing. It was fine at the hospital before I left, but it wasn't until I stood up when I got out of the car that I felt the need to run to the bathroom. Maybe my bp was lowish, and standing up just pushed me over the edge. Luckily I've felt fine ever since. I spoke to my nurse this morning and she thoguht everything sounded pretty normal. I also asked her if there is something in the procedure that might irritate my diaphram as I'm having referred pain in my shoulder (only knew what it was because I had it so bad after my gall bladder was removed. My "shoulder" hurt more than the surgical site!). She said it can be caused by the positioning of my body during the procedure, or from gas being left in there. I'm betting on the gas, because that's what caused it last time. It's not too bad though, just enough for me to notice and wonder about.
Vic - Having no computer and internet makes you feel even more naked than when you acidentally leave your mobile phone at home for the day, lol. Glad the computer is back up and running for you.
With regards to CJ's mobility, don't stress to much hun. Just remember, she's not going to be 14 and not walking. She's just going to do it all in her own time. My niece didn't walk until just before her 2nd birthday, but she 4 now and definitely a pro at walking, hehe. Also, you never know, CJ might decide to go straight to walking and bypass crawling all together!
Nay - How cute that they write the number of eggs on patients hands! I was told before the EPU that I would get a form with the number on it, and then the nurse said that they will tell me in recovery too, but that I'll probably not remember them telling me. Well, in recovery I remember two different nurses coming over to tell me how many eggs, but I have no idea if they told me more times before that, lol.
I hope you are thoroughly enjoying your rdo today! I'm sure Bailey and Sean will get themselves into a routine soon enough. Sean probably just didn't realise how important those naps were to Bailey. After a few cranky days he'd probably work it out pretty quickly, hehe.
Nicky - I had to go and buy Kyson a couple of pairs of pants recently. One day I went to put a pair of shorts on him and realised that I was trying to put on a pair of his pants that had just gotten way too small! LOL! At least all the shops have now got their winter stock in so it's not too hard to find warmer clothes. I'm getting lucky because my best friend is going to send a bunch of her sons old clothes down for me. I'm pretty sure Kyson won't fit into them for a while yet though. Oh, and I saw Allira's walking video. Isn't the baby steps so adorable?!
Nicole - I wish I could have been awake during the EPU. I get rather nervous about anaesthetics (not sure why, you'd think a surgical vet nurse would be fine with them...) but they don't give you a choice here.
Want to guess what part of the IVF journey I'm actually finding the hardest emotionally at the moment? I'm having a hard time knowing how I feel about my future baby being "nurtured" so far away from me right now. I mean, yesterday was the longest I've even ever been away from Kyson (3ish hours for the procedure, then 2 1/2 in the afternoon when DH took him for a visit with my PIL), so to be away from my "baby" for 5 days is really messing with me emotionally. I had a bit of a cry last night. I didn't let DH know how upset I was about it though, because I thought it might seem silly. I did mention what you said Bella, about our little one already starting it's life, and he seemed to get a bit excited about that :)
I was really glad he got a bit excited because I was getting worried that he just didn't want this baby at all. I knew that he would have been happy to stop after Kyson, but I don't want him to be just doing it for me. Although he's not overjoyed at the moment, he's admitted that once it's all "real" that he knows he'll get excited about having another baby. In fact, yesterday while I was having the EPU, he took Kyson to Chaddy and was looking at baby clothes. Apparently he nearly bought a little dress. He stopped when he realised it was $150!!! LOL!
I just spoke to my nurse. Of our 10 eggs, 7 have fertilised :) The nurse said that this is a good result. Hopefully things will look really good on Saturday when they are due to do the PGD. Fingers crossed!
And in Kyson news: :D
Kyson just cut his second tooth today! He now has two eensy weensy pearly whites in the bottom middle of his mouth. How quickly once they cut the gum do they shoot up so that they look like proper teeth. So far they are still just sitting at the gum line.
Also, he's walking up a storm now. He walks everywhere! He even just goes back and forth from the couch to the window and back to practise. It's so cute. He accidetally ran to me yesterday. I think he leaned forward a bit too much and had to pump those little legs to stop from falling on his face ;)
Ok, time to pick up the DSS's!
yay on the fert rate K - that's great news! anything over 50% fertilisation is considered very good!
with Kysons teeth, they will come up to be little "teeth" pretty quickly - hopefully his top teeth come through quickly now as well. E's got two of the top ones, two on the brink. driving us all insane!
cranbourne is kinda on the way - but depends on which way you want to come! if you come down the freeway, it's way off the path. if you head out to this side of melbourne and continue along the monash out towards warragul - we're further out than that. if you want to go via cranbourne though, you can come down the south gippy highway, and get here via korrumburra/leongatha. takes a bit longer, but is a prettier drive!
ooh, DH home and E trying to get out to him through the window - better run! bbl
k - ur parents live near mine lol they live in hallam
ok well went to the doc today gotta go for my first bloods 2moro not needles again grr and he cant give me anything for this flu take panadol keep up ur fluids and rest same with jamie i swear doctors hate pregnant women how can they not make abs safe for preg anyways just me beeing a sooky and he told me to get folic acid suppliments and next week when i go back he'll probably make me go on iron aswell coz red meat has made me feel like spewing in recent times sorry that was about my preg not about jamie
hes really getting the hang of standing and he fits in some size 1's hes growing up too fast for my liking and today he gave himself a shiner below his eye he face planted into this nice old laptop DH got for him to play with coz he always tries to play with my one lol
I can't keep up with you ladies.....chatterboxes hehe
Cara is clapping!! Well sort of...it's a very soft clap so far. Give her time hehe
She points ALL the time at everything! She points to the car, outside, her siblings. And today she was pointing at a flower on a pillowcase, so I said to her "flower"... It's a cute way for them to learn things I reckon hehe
Cara sounds like she is saying "titi" (I call it "tittie") I say to her a lot "Is it tittie time?" LMAO
I've been staying up way too late..midnight already...shesh. Will try and write more tomorrow.
I was removed from Raindrops facebook friends too...unless I culled her too?????
Naomi: Yay for a good first week! Enjoy the cuddles when you get home!
Nicole: Getting my 3rd online shop on saturday from Coles. My car has problems...it's missing. It is not good to drive, think it is going to stall all the time at the lights. So glad I can shop online til I can get it fixed.
Vic: I am sure my other kids were closer to 10mths til they crawled, and I always thought they were a bit slow to learn. But they got there in their own time. Cara is actually the quickest I think. She was sitting up well at 6mths too (when the others ..it was 7mths).
You know how you know your (almost 4 yr old) is growing up? She says "Mummy I like your show" (two and a half men!) LOL
More tomorrow...
Hey mummas, just to let you all know that I will be MIA for a week as laptop is going to get fixed today... What am I going to do without my BB and FB fix :wall: :wall:
Will text Bridg and Naomi with Aaron's results for his test next week ( hope that is ok ladies ;) )
So I hope you all have a GREAT weekend and will try and log on at my parents place next week.
We got good news, and then bad news today. This morning we found out that all 7 of the eggs that fertilised were looking good and all 7 would be biopsied. That was the good news. This afternoon we got the results of the biopsy. They were able to get results for 5 of the 7. All 5 had chromosome problems :( Of the other 2, one of them they weren't able to get any results for (limitation of the test), and the other one was apparently smaller than the others and had a fragmented nucleus. They said we could still transfer the one they couldn't get results for, but with 5 out of 5 that were tested having chromosomal problems we aren't willing to risk it :( Rather devastated. Everything was going so well and I was sure that it was all going to work out perfectly this cycle. I never imagined that chromosomal problems would be the problem. I mean, I'm healthy and young, I thought that the embies would be healthy...
I guess we just start back at the beginning again and start a new stim cycle...
oh hun - i'm so sorry! this is the crappiest part of IVF/PGD. i wish i could say something profound but it's pointless trying now. if you need to talk, i'm online a fair bit (out tonight, but home the rest of the weekend), or you have my number
i'm so very sorry Krystie. this is just crap.
Big big big hugs Krystie. I cannot imagine how you are feeling right now.
xxoo
Big big big hugs Krystie. I cannot imagine how you are feeling right now.
xxoo
:hug: krystie i can even begin to imagine how crap u feel xoxoxox
Thanks for the hugs girls, I've definitely needed them. I just can't believe that all 5 out of 5 embies that got results had chromosome problems. One of them only had one X chromosome, and no other sex chromosome. The lovely lady said if I wanted to talk to her again I can call and speak to her on Monday. I think I might call and ask what the problems were with the other embies. I just feel like I need to know.
I can't help but think that if we had been trying naturally that this sort of rate of abnormality may have resulted in 5+ months of BFN's or even miscarriages! While I'm really upset, a part of me feels like at least we haven't "wasted" time. I'm also refusing to think of the costs as "wasted money"...
Kyson got a bazillion hugs this afternoon. Well, a bazillion more than the bazillion he already gets. I told him that although he's going to have a wait a little bit longer to be a big brother, he'll get to have another Christmas all to himself.
I guess this also gives me a bit more time to try to get his sleeping habits under control. DH has mentioned "sleep school" again, and once again I've shot the idea down. DH is only suggesting that we need to do something because he's worried about how I'll cope with the numerous wakeups each night when I'm pregnant. Kyson has gone from 3-3.5 hour feeds, to 2 hourly feeds. I wake each morning with empty breasts! But if I don't feed him he just screams. I don't know what to do. I know that he doesn't need feeding 2 hourly at night (gosh, he goes probably 4 hours during the day), but I don't like to hear him screaming, and I feel sorry for DH if Kyson wakes him because he has to go to work in the mornings. It just seems easier to feed him and put him back to bed. But what would be even easier would be if he learnt to just sleep longer!
Dear Krystie- have you got the "no cry sleep solution"? I bought it and need to read it again but the mum who wrote it teaches a technique to wean them off of sucking to sleep. It sounds to me like Kyson just really wants the comfort of boobies to sleep with. It helped us with some stuff but I really need to go back and read it again cos we r still having some issues, but it did reduce our night time wakes by half so that was good.
I hesitate to speak to the issue of IVF and how you must be feeling.As I have never had either a mis or been thru IVF but I really do want to help. I don't know if it will or not tho. I am sorry for you darling that things haven't gone perfect as we all hoped for you. I think that you put your finger right on the button when you mentioned all of the BFN and miscarriages you might have suffered. In my work I have held the hands of so many women who have miscarrriaged that I have lost count. And those where only the ones who knew about it. They estimate that at least 1 in 4 pregnancies end in miscarriage and they think it is so much more. Life is such a miracle and we all know that looking at our perfect bundles. I think that it is much harder these days to cope with the loss of pregnancies than it was for our mothers as we know about them so much more. My sister tested for pregnancy 8 days post ovulation and came up positive. She still grieved when her period came on time..... Who knows whether that might have been the boy amongst her 4 girls. Anyway I guess I am trying to say don't over analyse whether there is something wrong with you or your eggs too much just yet. I doubt that I could resist calling up to find out what was wrong either, just dont lose your trust in your body. You ARE young and you ARE healthy, you just know there was a problem this time that is all. Most women take 6-12 months to conceive normally. Don't let technologies advanced knowledge corrupt how you view your body. You are perfect and you body knows how to conceive. It will make the most BEAUTIFUL baby when it is good and ready to darling. You can hurry it all you want but it knows it's job and it will do it really well for you very soon. All my best thoughts for the perfect little egg that is just waiting it's turn. Love you Krystie.
Bella
So sorry, Krystie. Thinking of you, mate. xx
Krystie - was laying in bed last night thinking about you and thought of some other stuff that i know of PGD. when your embryo's are put through PGD, they look at all chromosomes. not just the one that carries the anomaly you carry. as you mentioned, one embryo did not carry one of the sex chromosomes, others weren't perfect. in a lab, they require perfection. they would look for your known anomaly, but also look at translocations (parts of chromosomes that have moved) - in nature, translocations occur with no drama. that's how we have evolved and become what we are. they don't necessarily mean that your body (or DH's) are doing anything wrong - just that the embryo's weren't scientifically perfect - and when you're going through this to avoid something occuring, the result they are looking for is perfection (genetically speaking)
i thought of this because i was thinking of Melbel (member here) - she suffered multiple miscarriages, ivf failures and moved to PGD. there was no genetic basis as there is in your case - they simply needed the best quality embryos due to their history. after numerous "perfect" embryo's being transferred (which failed) they had a natural pregnancy but there was a genetic anomaly with that bubba (two sperm got in) - they went back to IUI and now have an 8 week old son. they don't know how genetically perfect he is - but the perfect embryo's they put back didn't make it so i guess it doesn't matter
my point after all that waffle? check with them whether your five embryos showed signs of the genetic anomaly you are trying to avoid, or were just not perfect. find out what the issues were and whether they were incompatible with life or whether, when you go through this next, those that are good but not perfect, can still be transferred. in normal IVF you don't know how genetically perfect embryo's are and many of them take (even the "runt" embryo as was the case for me) - so ask as much as you can
i hope you are getting lots of Kyson snuggles at the moment and are feeling ok today. tomorrow will be hard as you make your enquiries - we're here to support you
BG
Krystie - I am so sorry to hear your news honey, that just plain sucks. You are right, its not wasted time or wasted money, its just the start of this journey, one that unfortunately has ups and downs. You are a brave strong woman and although it probably doesn't feel like it now, you will get your BFP and baby, but perhaps not on your timeline, instead this little angel waiting in the wings to become a life will come along when they are good and ready. But for now, cry, grieve and direct all that love you have waiting to give to your next child to Kyson, and start again when you feel ready. I wish I could come over and give you a big hug, let you cry on my shoulder and then we'd drink lots of cups of tea and eat fairy cakes and have a massive chat to help you through this tough time. I agree with Bella re having faith in your body, but I also wanted to add that under the circumstances of using AC its very important to have faith in the miracle of reproductive technologies too, and talk to your doctors and support people at your clinic as I found that if I understood everything and asked questions etc, It helped me through the process.
BIG HUGS beautiful girl :hug:
Nay
x
PS. Give Kyson a big smoochie for me x
Ooooh, I just read BGs post - great advice as usual babe
Oh Krystie am soo sorry :hug:
BG gave some great advise and hope this week brings you some answers.
Still of-line ladies just at mums needing a FB and BB fix.
Naomi, I sent the eggs on Friday so you should get them early in the week :)
Krystie- Huge huge hugs sweetie. I can only imagine what your feeling at this time, and you know that we are all here for you if you need us. I don't really know what else to say.
Have been reading posts, but haven't replied as it always seems like when I get started, I get interrupted, so just letting you know I have been lurking, and thinking of you all.
xxx
Bella - I haven't got that book, but I've been told some of the "crucial" tips from the book. We tried for weeks to have a set routine for him at bedtime, but it didn't seem to make any difference. I have a feeling that the feeding during the night is a bit of a habit. He never feeds to sleep during the day, or at his bedtime, and I think he only falls asleep on the breast during the night because he's still tired. That being said, he's actually having a great night tonight so far. He took a while to get to sleep, but since then I haven't been in even once to resettle him!
I know you were hesitant to write anything about the IVF stuff, but I'm glad you did. Your words were definitely comforting and supportive and I appreciate it very much xoxox
BG - Huge thank you to you as well sweetness. You always have just the right words to say, and to think that you were thinking of me while in bed just blows my mind. It just goes to show what and kind and caring soul you are! :hug:
PS. Your "runt" is absolutely perfect :)
Nay - Firstly, I love your facebook status. I'm so glad that Sean is taking to being a SAHD like a duck to water. I'm guessing he worked out the nap stuff pretty quickly?
So I'll admit it... you pst, combined with BG's and Bella's had me in tears. You girls are just so gorgeous and I don't know what I would do without my precious baby buddy mummies! I had a chat to my nurse today (twice), and to the scientist in the lab, and they were both absolutely lovely. I guess working in the AC field would require a special kind of people.
PS. I gave Kyson that smooch for you. He pushed my face away, but I'm sure he secretly loved it ;)
Nic - Hope the jitters and sweating caused by BB and FB withdrawls subsided once you got your "fix", hehe,
I had a couple of chats with my nurse today. She let me know that we were most likely just really unlucky this round and hopefully next time we will be a lot more lucky. I was hoping that I could start another cycle as soon as AF shows up, but they like you to have an extra menstrual cycle first. Also, she then rang back to tell me that she had spoken to my FS and he would like DH and I both to give some blood so that they can do some karyotyping testing on them. Like BG mentioned in her previous post, they want to look at whether DH or I might have any chromosomal anomalies like translocation. These anomalies wouldn't effect us because essentially all the genetic material is actually still there, it's just in the wrong place. Sort of like putting a jumper in the linen closet instead of the bedroom cupboard. They think it's probably unlikely, but at least it can be ruled out, and if something does come up, then they can devise a different test to see if that's what's happening in the embryo too. If that's the case, then they would still be perfectly healthy and suitable for transfer.
My nurse also mentioned that next time I might have a higher stim drug dose to try to get a few extra eggs to work with.
I also spoke to the lovely scientist in the PGD lab. She let me know exactly what abnormalities showed up in the embies:
Embie 1: Trisomy 18
Embie 2: Monosomy 18
Embie 3 and 4: Both had problems with both 18 and 21
Embie 5: Only one X, problems with 15, 18, & 22
Even with chromosome 18 showing up a bit, they still think it's unlikely it's due to a problem with DH or I.
According to the results they got, none of those 5 embies would have been "compatible with life". She mentioned that one of them may have made it to term, but it would have been very ill and not survived long. Poor embies :(
Of the other 2 that we didn't get any results for, the littler fragmented embie didn't make it to day 5, and the other embie that may or may not be ok has still grown well and been frozen. It's such a shame that they can't retest that one.
All in all, I'm feeling better about things today. I'm trying to stay positive about the next round, and also thinking about things like how Kyson will get to have another Christmas all to himself :)
Once again, just wanted to give you all a huge cyber hug for being the best group of mummies I know!!!
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glad you got to talk to the nurse and scientist hun - at least you have some answers. they're not the answers you wanted, but they're answers. and you have a new plan of attack with the karyotype testing.
the results you got could have happened naturally as well - most would probably not have made it to implantation or may have resulted in a chemical pregnancy. fertilisation occurs far more often than pregnancy - but nature seems to know when the bits and pieces just don't come together right.
good luck with the follow up testing. i know it's hard to have to wait out a cycle - but the benefits far outweigh the impatience. when you have a stim cycle, your ovaries often remain swollen beyond your first AF - so having a chance for a natural cycle in between gives them a chance to return to normal and reduces the risk of complication with the subsequent stim cycle or pregnancy. keep in mind, it is very normal for AF to arrive at a different time when you've just had a stim cycle - a regular 28 day cycle can blow out to six weeks or more. you will often ovulate later and then have af later as your body recovers from the stims.
oh, and E isn't my "runt" - that one was one of our angels - but at least it took when other seemingly fantastic embryo's didn't. the reason for the failed pregnancy wasnt to do with the embryo, it was my hormone levels cos of the pcos...
on the homefront - i feel cruddy! no idea why, but i have a shocking headache today. actually, i think i do know - no sleep! E is really unsettled with this teething gig. i'm over tired. DH is being helpful to a degree - but he can't help much with feeds overnight - she wants boob for comfort! she falls asleep, wriggles - then goes looking for it again - but is a few inches further up the bed and grabs at me and tries to drag me to he mouth - it HURTS! had a bit of a meltdown about it all last night. the tiredness (and insomnia!) are getting to me - and DH made the mistake of saying to me that i'd have to go out for half a day and leave him and E to it a few times before i go back to work - and then do the same with mum. wasn't the right time - lost it completely! i have five weeks - i don't want to leave her! then i got grouchy at him and was pushing him for answers - where does he antipate i go out here for half a day and stuff like that! i figured he was having brain waves so he could help! i was just really upset and not coping last night. then i asked him to wake me at a certain time this morning as i needed to get up and organised (going to shampoo mum's carpets today for her) and i wanted to spend some time with him before work - and he didn't wake me on time. yeah, i'm chilling now (nappy bag not packed, baby asleep still, mum due in half hour!) - but i wanted to spend time with him. i didn't just want to get up as he went to spend 10 mins on the loo before he walked out the door lol. so i got the grumps at him and have decided i will be grumpy at him all day unless this damn headache goes away
oh, and my arm hurts and i kicked a drawer and ripped open my knee this morning - so i'm a big la la bum! mum sooooooooooo better make me something nice for lunch! lol
Happy Birthday Nicole!
Krystie: I'm so sorry things haven't worked out. Keep positive. Things will happen when the time is right. *Hugs* I have had one miscarriage...and that was heartbreaking...you always wonder what went wrong. :(
Cara still wakes up at night....at least twice. Laura was the same. She was a little more needy emotianally. I just waited it out. She is good now though, goes to sleep well since Cara was born. She was the first baby I had sleep troubles with (Yassie and Ronan slept through from 6mths). Cara seems to be going to sleep more on the boob now...going off dummies a bit. Still uses them sometimes though. I have no problem with feeding them to sleep if it works and means more sleep for me. She's actually the longest dummy baby i've had (Laura gave them up at 5mths).
Cara is clapping!! And when I say "Hands on your head" she will do it hehe. Or "Hands on your knees" , "Clap hands" etc hehe Cute!!
Happy Birthday Nicole!! Hope you have a great day!!
BG: Ouch I hope you feel better soon!! Oooh and I can't wait to see Sara's artwork on Cara's photo..it's looking awesome so far.
Cara is getting into everything..arghhhhhhh!! Sorry it's short. She jammed her little finger in the tv cabinet drawer the other day. ALways trying to get into the tv stuff!
Hello May Mummies!! I thought I'd pop in and say hi, I was wondering how you all were! But I'm on my iPhone and the posts are big ones... So it's a bit hard for me to catch up with everything! I did see your news Kristie - I'm so sorry to hear, hopefully you'll have some great news next cycle. ;)
We're all great hear! Brooky is very vocal little poppit - but it so sweet to see her and Ro playing together! Cathy, we've been teach Brooklyn stuff on command too - she's got 'close, open' down, she sits there holding her hands up and opening and closing her hands! Very cute. We're working on where her nose is! I would have never known they were capable of such things at this age, but mum and dad taught Ro where all her body parts were by the time she was one! She'd just point to whatever body part.
Something I thought would be good to share with other mums with bubs which was shared with me when Ro was a bub! Whenever I need to take a packed lunch for bub (she's a bit past taking steamed mash out) I take three or four slices of bread, cut the crusts off and roll them all individually with my rolling pin. I then put spread on (Brooklyn usually has avacado, cream cheese, almond paste etc) and then I roll the flat slices of bread up so they are like little logs. It's so much cleaner whilst out at this stage then triangles that just get pulled apart and spread everywhere! Lol. You guys might have heard of this, I thought I might just share since I thought it was quite nifty when I first heard of it.
Well I can't sleep tonight (why my mind started to wonder about all of you), I'm feeling nauseas! We are very excited to expecting our third little one September!!! Eeee!!! Scary and exciting all at once. Thank you for those of you who have supported me so far in here (you know who you are ;).
I'll try to remember (with my memory like a sieve) to check in on here from time to time when I catch up with my belly buddies! Hope your all well and best of luck to those lovely ladies trying for another precious bundle. ;)
eta - sorry about spelling - I hate typing on my silly iPhone!!
Hi All,
Well Jemima has started to furniture surf!! She has been standing since a week past 6 months. Now at 9 months she has finally started to move her feet. It is really cute and since she has her balance whilst standing I don't think it will be long till she walks. It has been good that she has stood for so long cos she has shown us how far she can reach!!! She is also really funny with bf! It has been going on for ages but she did it tonight and I thought I haven't told you all about it. She is really cute, cos she is soooo desperate for a boob when she wakes up that when you bring her to your chest she literally spits out her dummy so that she can get the boob! I just think it is funny! Anyway I have to go cos DH home for the night so need to spend some time.
PS Krystie- thanks for saying something about my post re IVF. I was really worried how you would take it. I hope I wasn't somehow being insensitive but I just wanted you to remember you are perfect and nature has it's way of caring for it's own problems naturally. We will all be holding our breathes for your next one.
Oh and pps CatherineL is preggers again!! Lucky Biatch!
Love Bella
i guess that mkes me a lucky biatch too then bel ha ha ha :)
Hey girls!
CatherineL: Congrats and nice to see you on here! I have been very slack posting for several months after Cara was born, but I jumped back on. These ladies are just awesome! Everyone is always welcome!
JwithJ and CatherineL: Two lucky biatches hehe Such dreamy days being pregnant...I loved my pregnancies. Those days for me are now gone. I've had a good run... :D
Bella: LOL@Jemima spitting out dummy ready for boob hehe Cara gets all excited if I flash my boob..she will latch on in any fashion she wants to. Sometimes even (as I lay on bed) with her bum in the air LOL Little Miss Squirmy she is sometimes...esp nappy changes.
Naomi: How's work going? Sounds like Sean is doing great as SAHD!! Baking cup cakes OMG! He's a keeper!! I think boy/Dad time is really important too.
What wipes and nappies do you ladies use? I like Huggies nappies, but lately I bought some nappies recently called Sorbies (at Coles)..they seem pretty good quality..they have day and night nappies. I still only trust Huggies for night (just haven't tried anything else yet)....but they seem good. I use Johnson n Johnson wipes..good if you can get the box on special for around $20 at big w.
I've got to get more baby wash stuff. Mine has run out (J&J). Been using the free samples I got from ages ago hehe I have to shampoo Cara's hair so much as she squishes stuff in there... Not used to having a baby with hair hehe. Usually I have baldy babies til they are finally grow some hair at 2 or so. Cara's fringe is so long now, if you brush it forward it goes between her eyes. But I don't want to cut it!! SO I brush it over to the side...or put it up in piggy tail (though she will pull them out sometimes).
Catherine: Oh yes I've been trying to show Cara her nose, eyes etc for some time now. It's amazing how much they can learn even at this age hey? It's so cute when they understand and can follow some simple little direction. I was watching old video of Laura as a baby the other day and I saw her doing the "Hands in the air, hands on head" etc..and I thought.."Oh yeah gotta do that !!" hehe She might be able to "blow kiss" soon too hehe
Hi everyone!
Sorry struggling lately with naughty children waking up really early every morning... I'm just so worn out.
Catherine CONGRATS on your pregnancy! I hope to hear all about it in coming months. All the best!
Hi everyone. I hope you are all going well. Allira's climbing up steps and things now :( She is going to be much worse than Lachie I fear.
xxoo will pop back when I've had some sleep and my brain is working!
Cathy : i found the sorbies really good at night but we are in cloth full time now so i cant really help there coz i think he pees a lot more now lol :)