Babies born~September 2007 #57

G, W wanted BF all night whether he had it during the day or not. I tried to have just a before bed feed, but it was too confusing and he wanted it all the time - he was alright at being denied during the day but would only settle for boob at night. So I ended up hugging/singing/rocking/walking around with him for up to an hour of screaming at night for a few nights until he was weaned. I didn't want to do it that way but I was preg and had no milk and I was hoping that it would help with the continuous wake ups. But then about two weeks later we were in the bath together and he asked what my boobs were - he had already forgotten!

Trill, great mark! I have been meaning to say for ages cool photos on FB of the gold mine. W wouldn't let me change from the giant truck! I used to work at an open cast mine like that, but I don't think it was quite as enormous.

Clare, I think Arimeh is temporarily out of internet but I think she will be back.

I think the chance for tights is soon to be gone anyways, there was a frost yesterday and I remembered that 2 degrees is cold! I suspect it will be all about layers from now on.

I have venison in the slow cooker and the whole house smells disgusting!

Trill, it sounds like your teachers, being familiar with the field of education, have worked out exactly how to tell who's putting in the effort with the group stuff by tacking the individual stuff on at the end! Well deserved, lady, what a great start and I'm sure you will continue like this thru your whole course. :)

PS great gold explanation Trill. DD's project is more about the gold that washes into creeks, etc, that individuals panned for. When I was 7 my mum married this strange man (still don't know what she saw in him) who was hugely into gold prospecting. He was convinced he was gonna find the next big gold discovery and dragged the whole family across the country to do so :wall:

G have you tried offering an extra long feed when you do feed him - chock more into each feed? Ah sometimes they just love their boobie! 3-4 times over 24 hrs is not unreasonable at this age.

Arte - do you eat venison? DH brought some home one time and I took one whiff and was convinced it was off. Does it smell bad but taste good?

MD, nope, it smells bad and it tastes bad lol. I don't mind the steak but stews aren't really my thing. Unfortunately we have a heap of it in the freezer.

yuck that venison sounds gross! what is that? is is a deer? geez i think i'm becoming dumber every year that i don't work ;)

thanks for all your bf suggestions. it's really hard isn't it? and it seems like there's not one right way to do it iykwim? i guess i'll just keep plugging along how i am and see what happens. i know from L that they seem to do a lot of changing between 12 and 18 months old iykwim? i rememeber looking at L at 18months and thinking 'you're like a little kid now'.
the night wake-ups, although annoying, are not absolutely killing me so i am not in desperation just yet. i honestly wouldn't know what to do if they both slept through the night. i'd probably sit up watching foxtel all night ;)

that reminds me, my stoopid foxtel iq didn't tape last week's big love. can anyone give me a really brief run-down?

also, another thread on here has reminded me- this may seem really silly- but i was just wondering has anyone enrolled their kids in high school yet? please don't all laugh at me, this is a legitimite question as it is something we have been thinking about and discussing here.

ps- congrats trill on your great mark....i think the next one will be a HD! ;)

SSSH don't anyone tell Ginger what happened in Big Love last week. Ginge I'm PMing you now.

Arte - that venison sounds blech. Maybe you could donate it for your mum's dogs??? In return for some steak?

Ewwww Arte, I didn't realise it stank so much. I have had it in a restaurant, but when you eat it like that, you aren't privvy to the cooking process so it just comes out all nice and cooked with a yummy sauce on it LOL but I totally get that having to cook it yourself and smell it would influence how it tastes kwim? But that said I didn't really like it like I love my lamb and beef.

G, I don't think it is silly. In metro areas I think it has to be done because there is so much choice but at the same time so much room for good and bad schools kwim? We are so lucky out here that education is really a non-event for us in the choosing of it.

Thanks for the congrats on the mark. With both marks combined it brings me up to a Credit, which is OK, I'm happy with that. However I have just spent the morning editing the next one because it was just crap! We only had one required reading, but the reading was only used as a reference 3 times and there were TWELVE references from outside sources? It was just quote after quote with the only original stuff being words to link them all up :rolleyes: so I used my tactful voice and told them as much and re did it LOL. The don't have to use mine either, but at least they can use it for comparison and make the response better kwim? Plus it was full of personal pronouns which we can't use in academic writing and would get reamed for it if we left them in.

hi girls!

G: nooo dont tell me what happened on Big Love we dont get SBS here so i need to wait until i get it on DVD LOL! gosh, it sucks.
we havent really thought about highschool enrolment (DD will go public) but we did ensure that we moved into the 'right' area. so DD will have a choice of 3 top public highschools including the uni of melb program highschool. we also made sure of the move for the primary school that we want to send her too and will be enrolling her at the first possible moment.

Arte: hmmm see in fiji we just shoved the venison into a lovo (in the ground!). wrapped in banana leaves with some spices so it came out cooked and yummy and no icky gamey smells.

AFM: all good here. a bit stressed about uni as i have to submit a 30,000 word report tomorrow and then defend it in front of a panel next week. not something i am looking forward to as these guys are like totally awesome in their field and well, i am an imposter at best rofl!
leila had us up alot last night as well with bad dreams. poor thing was yelling out 'help me help me' all night :( so we both felt so terrible that she had to have yucky dreams like that.

There's been two pregnancy announcements amongst my friends in the last few days so I am feeling clucky.

G - I think I just used distraction with K during the day for dropping feeds. I know I was stressing about what was going to happen as she was still on 5-6 per day a month before I was going back to work but it all happened quite easily. With the night time stuff, DH resettled her for the first two nights and then she was fine.

re schools, we are in a rural area, so not a lot of choice - the public schools do better than the private ones most of the time anyway around here. Our decision will mainly be whether to send her to the same school as DH or the other one.

Final Big Love this week!
But I need to do a lot of catching up so lucky you are up to speed MD

Taking Miss K to the doctor this afternoon. She developed a shocking cough late yesterday - she sounds like a seal. She also had a bit laboured breathing when she first woke up this morning.

Cass - just noticed Arimeh is back!

Cally, it sounds like she could have croup. If she does, it isn't a big drama, just get some redipred from your Dr when you see him and she will be right as rain

Cally =- hope K is ok - what did the dr say?
G - i dont think you are silly to be thinking of it. N and J will prob go to the same school the whole way gthru so i guess we have them enrolled already too (they may also try for melb high oif thats whats takes their fancy at the time). Clare - what is the melb uni high school - sounds interesting
Arte - eeewwwww on venison - i am not a game eater
trill - wtg on the assignment mark - i knew you would do amazingly. v annoying on group work - it is all coming back to me now how annoyed i used to get with it
MD - h0ow are ya sista - you are posting but we arenty getting many MD updates - hope all is good in md land
Cally - hmm clucky... atre you rethinking??
G - no weaning tips... though J has 3-4 o'night plus abput the same in the day so.. pass them on when you hear any good tips! he wont eat solids.. a litytle more if finger foods but, well its a struggle... i am expressing at work plus doing all those feeds... feel like a cow much??? LOL. plus he wotn do bottle, sippy, straw - only a normal cup - you can imagine the mixed feelings when he drinks 50ml EBM and spills 100 in the process of it. he is v independent and quite deterrmined... where did he get that from???
N is in ther 3-4 yo room at creche and LOVING it. he is growing up before my eyes. now knows his left and right and tells me which day of the week it is.
Arte - how is W's behaviour now?
G - did you stop gymbaroo?
better go - life is so crazy right now...back to work tomorrow. xxx

Cally, do you think you might be tempted to travel the baby road again? ATM I am leaning towards no more, I am not a fan of this stay at home thing.

Ginger, I don't think schools here have such crazy waiting lists, but we have considered schooling. There is a primary school in this town but it is terrible - a decile 0 (worst possible grade) and the last ERO report said that the school couldn't guarantee the safety of the students! The other day I was at the daycare which backs onto the school and I saw a teacher wrestle a student that was punching and kicking her and after she dragged him off about 5 kids closed in on his friend who had a go at them. Luckily the next town over has a really good primary school but we will have to leave the area before high school since there is only one and all the rough kids from this town have to go there so it isn't very good - most of the decent kids get sent to boarding school.

MP, W's behaviour seems to have evened out a lot, thank goodness.

Clare, good luck for your report! I am sure you will do well.

We only have the venison because DH shot it and wanted to eat it - he likes it. I have tried really hard, but it just isn't my thing. Restaurant venison is nicer, I think it is farmed rather than wild though.

Ginger, I didn't answer re the schools - I do think it's worth considering now if you're planning to send your boys to a school which is considered elite - as there may be waiting lists - and it might also affect your choice of primary school which is something you will need to look into once L turns 3. I'll be enrolling Missy E in our primary school at the start of 2011 - she'll be a shoe-in with a sibling in the school, but better to be organised. Need to do something about applying for highschool for DD1 this year (:o scary thought).

Clare your meat rubbed in spices and slowbaked in the ground sounds like exactly the right way to do it...the spices would take care of the gamey element. I bet you miss stuff like that from Fiji all the time. Clare I thought you learnt from last time that your contributions are good and your work definitely stands on its own...give yourself some credit woman! I'll be waiting in excitement to hear how it goes. :)

Arte does this mean you have to eat bunnies as well :lol:. My dad used to take us bunny-shooting when we were younger, I was slightly traumatised since bunnies were my fave animal and I had a bunny soft toy that I adored but I have eaten many a bunny dinner by pretending it was just chicken. Glad Ws behaviour has evened out, we've had an improvement here too.

CAlly Arte asked the question I wanted to. Are you planning to act on the cluckiness, or more specifically is there something you're not telling us???!!! You can count on me to be rude and nosey LOL. How is K going today?

MP - all well in MD land. Am working my self right now - trying to get my life where I want it to be before I look at going back to work. In fact I went to the hospital today to visit a friend who had the same surgery as me done last week - gosh I was relieved to be able to walk out of there and think THANK GOODNESS that's over and done with. I might have to do some physio soon though because my shoulder is stiffening up - all par for the course. It doesn't change the feeling of having come out the other end.

Having a MD party in here all by my lonesome!! :dance:

Big Love was fantastic last night...stayed up late to watch...hmmm can't wait for Season 4 now!

LOL MD, I was just about to go looking for the thread when I saw you'd posted. I was away all day yesterday and too tired to log on last night.

md- just got your little package thank you. gonna enjoy it on sat night with a couple of glasses of chardy so thank you! can't wait

just took jimmy for his needles and he put on quite a performance, all the women were surrounding him going 'oh the poor little thing'. he puts on a great sad face, i really think he should be on one of those huggies ads or something!

can you put pics in the gallery these days?

No, not going to act on the cluckiness. DH is still pretty insistent that he only wants one (mainly from a practical point of view - he said if we were rich and I wanted to stay home and just have babies that would be fine). I still waver a little bit, can't really decide. I had the sort of afternoon thinking of all the things I would do differently with a second baby and all the things that K and I could do together if I was home during the week - then we had a night of bad coughing and minimal sleep so all baby thoughts went out the window!!

The doc thinks she might have croup (well done Trill) - of course she didn't cough while we were there and refused to have her throat looked at. She seems to be managing all right so far. She just did a half day at school today and we're having a nice quiet time at home. I'm being inundated with bowls of yogurt and cups of tea!

Hope everyone else is well.

Cally, hope K is feeling better soon

We have finally had some toilet training success!!! The other day W didn't want a nappy so I let him have undies instead, then the next morning he came to me with his clothes and said he was going to be "an undies boy today". We had two days of all accidents and no potty action but then today he was great - three poo's and three wee's with only one miss! I am so proud of him, he even came inside to go on the potty.

I have to say though, one of the things I find disturbing in life is boy bits sticking out of the leg hole of undies. It just looks so wrong!

Hi Girls,


Just a quick one from me..... Sorry for being so slack.

We took my dad to the hospital on Sunday thinking he had a stroke as the whole right hand side of his body was not working and it turned out to be bleeding the left hand side of his brain. He had a clot 2 cm thick and the lenght of his left hand side brain and it pushed his brain 1 1/2 cm over so that was what was giving the stroke like symptoms. He has had the clot removed and he should be getting the tube out today so he might be home next week he is now feeling better ......Sorry for the TMI. OMG what more can possibly happen to me...... this year is **** so far....

will BBL to catch up with you all.

I saw your FB status and wondered what happened. I hope that he has a smooth recovery and he is home again soon :hug:

Leanne, :hug: at least your dad didn't have a stroke, his recovery will be much better. Sorry your year isn't going very well so far.

OMGoodness, is it possible for a kid to toilet train in one day?? Today W used the potty 11 times today with no accidents. I don't even need to remind him, he will just say he needs to go and takes himself there to do it, even if we are playing outside. We even went to mothers group with undies and he stayed dry. I am amazed!

What do I do if we are out somewhere though? We are planning to go out on the boat over the weekend but have no idea what to do about the toilet. He now refuses to wear nappies, I think forcing one on him would affect his confidence about it because he is so proud of himself and keeps saying he doesn't need to wear nappies anymore and he can wear undies all the time etc.

Arte- let him pee over the side of the boat- he will love it! i know my dh does ;)

leemar- hope your dad is ok


JImmy started taking a few steps last night. we are so excited, he gets the proudest look on his face, he's so happy to be a big boy

Hi girls,

Leanne: wow, that must of been terrifying for all of you :hug: i hope that he recovers speedily xx

Ginger: wow, i cannot believe that little J is walking! gosh!

Arte: i'm ginger...off the side of the boat lol! unless you really wanna bring a potty on the boat....could get *interesting* lol.

Cally: i too hope that K gets better soon and you guys can get a good nights rest. sleep deprivation is the pits.

AFM: all good here. Leila is starting to also get the hang of TT. they have been doing inroads at kindy and it appears that she likes the competition of the other kids...so we are pretty happy with it all so far. although that said we did have an accident yesterday afternoon with a wee as she was too invovled in her game of dollies. ah well, baby steps and all!

Hi Girls,

Ginger- OMG Jimmy walking gosh time flys.
Art- WTG William on the toilet training. thats awesome

Thanks girls, Dad now has all the tubes out and he has now been moved out of high dependancy room to a normal room. Yep very glad it wasnt a stroke.

have a wonderful day

that's relieving news Leanne!

Leanne - that is a relief - wishing hima quick recovery
G - cant blieve the little rockstar is walking... i bet he will have a real swagger soon LOL! post some new pics of your gorgeous boys - i bet J has grown up so much
Clare - how are you feeling? cant believe you are 16 wks already, are you going to find out the gender at your 20 wk scan?
I wonder how Isadora is doing - miss you!
AFM all is ok - having a rather tough time of it atm to be honest, the return to work is much harder than i remembered and little J has been unwell. so we have had no sleep - he refuses all milk, solids etc all day at creche - so then i am expressing at work (and it is all wasted) and then feeding him all night. he is up every 1.5 - 2 hrs onight... anyway it is getting too hard to manage - i am v emotional, run down etc. i have called and arranged a MACH nurse to spend some time w us at home on monday to come up with some strategies to help break the feed/sleep association (which is just at night) and help us to get him to drink in the day (from anything...). lets hope she has some mahgic solutions for me!
woprk is going well - it is a huge position and i am soooo busy, but i do like to be that way and i love it (lucky since the familial transition is so hard!). i was just thinking i cant believe at this pt iw as thinking about ttc again w Noah... there is NO WAY i am ready yto go again now... i think a much longer break will be in order before we ttc again... i am thinking 3-5 yrs....
mum i sbabysitting this arvo and i am taking DH out for our anniversary... we are seeing a movie in gold class...

Leanne- great to hear hun

MP- yes the rockstar has a right little swagger, he's so funny! i got some gorgeous photos of them done, but i don't know how to put them in the gallery?
best of luck with the MCHN. i honestly don't know how you face the day at work after being woken ever 2hrs overnight. i struggle to face going to the park when i'm sleep deprived!
how are you enjoying melbourne? we are loving melb atm, i don't know what it is exactly but ever since we 'got over' our move to sydney we just feel really settled and happy in melb.

well i'm being a real domestic goddess tonight and cooking a roast LOL mamapan you would be proud!

Hi girls!

Ginger: oh la la! i would love a roast right now (hint hint LOL!).

MP: hopefully the MACH nurse will be able to come up with some good ideas. but remember there are more options if what they say doesnt sit right IYKWIM. there are private lactation and parenting consultants to fall back on as well (obviously they cost...especially Pinky McKay!!) but they can also be an option... :hug: you guys have gone through MASSIVE changes lately from the move (never underestimate the massive life change of that), loss of dearly loved ones and new positions with new people/practices etc. try not to expect too much from yourself in terms of feeling happy and content IYKWIM. it will come once you guys all find a new rythmn...and you will, i promise :hug:

i also cannot believe that i am 16 weeks! where did that go?! yeah we will be finding it out! but the name will be kept a secret...gotta have some suprises LOL! also i ssooo dont want family etc to tell me they hate the name LOL! (this happened with Leila and i was livid lol!).

Thanks for the kind words - I need them at the moment
It is a private nurse coming so I hope she will be open to my thoughts on what I am ok to do - it does sound that way. I tried to contact pinky as I wanted her but she has never gotten back to me :-(
Yum on the roast - I made sausage rolls today. V easy and a hit!!
Was so great to get out to the movies - we needed the time out

what movie did you see MP?

MP, :hug: I hope you can get some help with J, must be very stressful.

Ginger, your bank balance must be very happy you didn't have a girl. I hate shopping with a passion yet there are so many girls clothes that I could happily buy - you would bankrupt yourself!

Clare, sucks even more when people ewww the name after the baby is born. Happened to me with Amelia (by my mum!)

I went shopping all day today and W stayed home with DH. He has had 3 accident free days in a row which is great since he only started TT 4 days ago. He is very conscience about it and will happily leave in the middle of a game/meal if he needs to go. Does it usually happen like this?

arte- i've started buying stuff for my friend's daughters! i can't help myself. i just see the most beautiful little dresses and pretty little things when i'm shopping. the girls' stuff is so pretty! i bought a country road dress for my friend's dd the other day. the highlight of my week this week is that my friend and i are goimg shopping to buy a first birthday present for another friend's dd. look out oobi!!!

LMAO Ginger! Ummm...you probably shouldn't look at Isadora's FB status....

so what was Isadoras FB status????
i hear you on the girls clothes - i am a sucker even for the boys... but if i had a girl.... the visa would be smokin!
that reminds me i am hoping to stock up N's winter wradrobe when i get time. so tracky style stuff for kindy and some nice stuff for weekends...
well i am waiting for the nurse to arrive to help us with J. wish me luck...
i have also just gone on a booking frenzy - N is going to all these awesome concerts/shows - the gruffalo, Jazz festival intro for kids (which looks amazing with justine and jay) and also MSO kids concerts - one with Noni Hazelhusrt and another with Jay. lucky boy - i am loving all these awesome things... melb girls have you checked out artplay? it looks like it has fab stuff - and our kids will be getting into the right age group soon... check it out

Hey girls just posting quickly to say hello, wanted to do personals but am in shock after opening my mail because it seems I have a regular little cyber-criminal on my hands. My Darling Daughter has taken illegally downloaded (and inappropriately themed) music to school & downloaded it to her personal drive, in breach of about 4 different parts of their ICT policy AND then, when her drive was too full to do work on it, has logged on with someone else's name and password :o.

I'm frikken FURIOUS :angry:. Out in the real world, that's a sackable offence. Not to mention she has betrayed our trust (we allow her to have the non-radio edit versions of some songs on the undertaking she keeps it to herself). Guess who's getting every single electronic device she possesses confiscated for the entire period of the ICT ban???

Ohhhhhhh! I'm guessing someone is getting a huge 'please explain' when she gets home today? I wonder what made her do it, if she got talking to friends and it kinda escalated from there. I hope she learns her lesson and you don't have to be too tough on her :hug:

MP, I hope you can get something sorted out. It sounds like it is really rough on both of you atm and I wish I had some sort of advice that would help, but I have no idea at all how you can make him drink. We get hardly any shows out here, not good ones anyway. I bet he will have heaps of fun at them.

LOL at the talk of girls clothes. You can end up spending way too much way too easy but I have learned that you need to shop for bargains and avoid paying full price. I will buy most of their stuff of the discounted rack - like at PP a few weeks back I got a shedload of stuff for the girls that was last seasons stock and it was over $200 worth of stuff, but I got it all for $80. I only brought her one pair of winter pants that were this seasons line. Then there was another shop I go to that stocks all the big names - fred bare, esprit, mini-ha-ha etc and got A two pairs of esprit jeans and pants and a pair of esprit jeans for P for $60 because they were on the cheap racks. A few years ago now I got a skirt for E that was an oshkosh and it was $60 new, so obviously I didn't buy it and then the following year, it was on their $10 rack LOL. I couldn't believe my luck!

AFM, well I am taking the plunge and have enrolled A in daycare, starting this friday. I need to go to school and get some observations done and Dh can't take him and I am running out of time to do it so this is my only option. Usually we get MIL to take the kids if DH can't but I don't want to use her for something like this kwim? Plus there will be times over the coming years when I will need care for more than just 1 day, so I figured we may as well start now. Not sure how he will go, but I think he will be OK. Centres are pretty depressing places though aren't they? I have never been in one before and it just seemed like a prison for little kids with security gates on everything. I half expected to see a kid rattling a tin cup along it :rofl: I don't mean that as a slight against them, and the centre is great and I know all bar two of the staff personally, but the only experience I have ever had with early childhood stuff is preschool, which is a glorious and fun place of learning kwim? So then I had to go through the rigmarole of getting a CCB % and all that jazz. We get a % of 34.08 so we only have to pay $34 odd dollars for the morning session, which is 4hrs so that's not too bad i suppose, but then I have no idea of what is cheap or expensive anyway.

Trill I kwym about the child care centres - and don't get me wrong, some of them are fantastic and I'm a big fan esp of some of the community ones in our area - but to me they seem kind of institutional. But some ppl prefer that structure and they get lots of exposure to stimulating activities all good in the end. I hope you find your child care time is productive :).

MP - I hope the nurse can give you some really useful strategies - you have coped with so much lately. Will you have some time off to chill out over the April long weekend?

I agree, you described it well. I couldnt' articulate the words earlier LOL. I would prefer FDC, but because it is only occasional care, I'm fine with it. I would rather the working Mums use FDC than someone like me who will only use it when I absolutely need to. Plus FDC around here is really hard to get your kids into, there is a shortage of carers ATM.

MP, how did the visit go? I hope she was able to help.

Hello, I'm back again, brain function now restored. DD was painfully remorseful and happy to take the consequences on the chin - even tho it seems like one of the infractions might have been based on a misunderstanding by the teacher (she allowed someone else to use her internet access to get some pictures he needed, not the other way around) so now I have a moral dilemma as to whether I should argue the point with the teacher or just let her wear it and learn possibly a more memorable lesson about not engaging in ambiguous ICT activities. Also after she explained, it was more a case of just not thinking thru the consequences rather than wilfull sneaky behaviour. Just a little slice of what you all have to look forward too :)

All this talk of girlie wardrobe extravaganzas is making me feel like I'm fashionistically remiss. Although I think Missy E will be more demanding re clothes than DD ever was. She frequently asks to wear particular things (esp girlie things like skirts and dresses and hair clippies) so I'm guessing this will only develop.

Arte - TTing DD1 was very much like that - it's like she was completely ready so all we had to do was remove the daytime nappies and she just went for it. Only ever very few accidents (usually due to getting distracted playing with something which might've been avoided if I'd reminded her more). Maybe it is that easy - when they're ready. :)

Leanne - I hope your dad is doing better and better each day.

Ginger, glad you are feeling so settled and loving where you are. We've been such boring stay-at-home-ers for the last year and a bit that now we're trying to get out and about and appreciate where we're at a bit more. Nice time of year for it too.

Tomorrow is round one (Ding ding) of my dental extravaganza.

Hi there everyone

md- glad it all worked out not too badly with dd1. it's nice to know she wasn't being sneaky on purpose iykwim
watched big love on sat and all i can say is 'wow'! so much happens in every episode it kinda does my head in a bit! like every scene is so full of drama! dh reckons there would be nothing worse than having 3 wives LOL, he loves margene but can't stand nicki!

mp- best of luck with the nurse, hope it all works out ok.

trill- let us know how A goes at day care, i'm sure he'll be fine.
i was considering putting L into montessori kinder term 3 this year but i've having doubts. think i might just wait till 2011 and go from there.

well afm: the little rockstar is walking now which is kinda scary! he is a total clutz though and is covered in bruises atm.
i have got bloody mastitis again and am in a lot of pain. of course everyone is encouraging me to wean but it's just not that bloody easy to wean a toddler. i'm not sure what to do about it all at the moment to be honest with you.

I bet we see a whole new Nikki in season 4 - because of what happens in the final ep. That reminds me I better go do something.