PZ: hmmm i didnt think of it exacerbating the afterpains it was horrendous enough the second time and i have been warned by my IMs to prepare for even more intensity.

and yep, it appears that my cervix likes to keep it in...i had issues with endo on the cervix for example pre-babies and had clots etc that got trapped last time (sorry if TMI lol).

Trill: ahhh now I have heard of blissful herbs...I will have to check it out, the womb love tea does sound just about right.

Apparently there is a place down the road that also does a womb-warming massage...but i reckon that it is no doubt exxy and trying to find time with a newborn and 2 other kidlets...well, we all know what that would be like...a needle in a haystack