thread: Curious about death & mourning

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    Curious about death & mourning

    I ask this as this is such a horrid year with the little ones and I don't wish to upset my friends by disrespecting their traditions or beliefs.

    I have a vague understanding of Judaism and the "unclean" times for a woman, but wondering how a miscarriage is treated, specially if left naturally to occur.

    And in Islam, are there really times after which a name is not spoken?

    Are there things that are understood in your religion but which may not be apparent to those outside it? Are there specific mourning times or periods? Are there things that can or can't be said after the death of a loved one?

    I don't want to cause pain to friends because I don't understand their core beliefs.

    Thankyou in advance.

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    Just bumping this for you, I don't know the answers to your questions but I'm sure someone will.

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    Ours is pretty simple - we believe that most people, no matter who they are or how old they are or what religion they are, are just asleep when they die. Not actually asleep but in the sense that they're not conscious of anything, not doing anything, not haunting anyone. Then after Armaggeddon, they will all gradually be resurrected.

    A few decades ago, it was thought that babies who died before taking a breath would not get a resurrection. This was updated a few years ago as it became obvious that Jehovah considers life as beginning from conception, as noted in the Bible. So just because we don't quite know HOW unborn babies will be resurrected, doesn't mean they won't. It's something that gave me so much comfort after my own miscarriages.

    We also believe that since Jesus died, Jehovah has chosen 144,000 people (also shown in the Bible) that are to 'serve as kings and priests with Jesus in heaven'. So when they die, they go to heaven, but the rest of us are just 'asleep'

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    I have never heard anything about someone's name not being spoken in Islam. Maybe that is something that some Muslims believe in but it is not something that anyone I know follows.
    We bury the body as soon as possible and hold the funeral 40 days later.
    We believe that a body receives its soul about 120 days after conception. Any baby or child that dies after it has a soul will enter heaven.

    We do believe in hell but we also believe that Allah's mercy is such the hell will eventually be empty. You don't need to be a Muslim to go to heaven. The Quran is quite explicit about that.
    Last edited by Phteven; September 23rd, 2011 at 05:28 PM.

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    Im not religious but just wanted To say that I really like the idea of that keike. Thanks for posting it, jw is something I dont know a lot about and I really appreciate you sharing.

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    Isnt the name speaking apart of aboriginal culture?

    What are youre beliefs onyx? Islam is another religion that I wish I knew more about.

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    Isnt the name speaking apart of aboriginal culture?
    we come across this a lot at work - there are some customers (indigenous) may have had many different names due to not being able to speak the name of a deceased person (if they share a name/named after someone, they will often change their name). it can be very difficult when they are applying for urgent payments to attend a funeral as well, as they can't speak the name - so there is a need for cultural sensitivity when trying to confirm the details (urgent payments are taken from the next payment the customer is going to receive, so it's important they're not dished out willy nilly)

    there is a specific queue at work to receive calls from indigenous customers - those consultants have been through additional cultural sensitivity training regarding indigenous beliefs etc. we all undertake training regarding different cultures, and the main aspects we may come across, and i don't recall the name thing in any others that i've come across.


    on another note, we have friends from a lot of different religions, and some have similar rituals to what Onyx has described. From memory, Greek Orthodox have the very early, they don't eat meat for 40 days (unless pregnant - a pregnant woman is expected to take full and proper meals to maintain herself and her child), they dont eat sweet foods etc (so no cake/biscuits), it may even be a form of fasting. not quite sure - the last death in the family of our friends happened overseas so i didn't have a lot of exposure to the cultural aspect. i know the men don't shave for those 40 days. they have another full church service and celebration of the life of the deceased at 40 days. there is also another full service 12 months after the death.

    i find it interesting to learn about other cultures and the similarities (and vast differences) that exist between them.