Debate - Raising your kids with religion

[boobaloo]

[QUOTE=Flowerchild;1854063]

I actually was taken aback by the comment on the Duggan family that have their beliefs... The comment that their swimsuit was "ridiculous". Conversley your swimsuit may be "ridiculous" to others. We should be very wary of judging anothers beliefs/ways as ridiculous, silly or anti... From what I know many a fine war has been started in the name of religion. That is not religions "fault" it is the folk who judge anothers beliefs in a way that can be heard as hurtful and arrogant.

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the comment that i made about the swimsuits being ridiculous was intended in the context of children not being able to be comfortable within their body - that 'god' made -, but are instead expected to be covered at all times, and be kept modest. bodies are something that should be celebrated, not something that children should be made to feel they have to keep hidden for the sake of thier faith.

this comment does not make me 'anti' anything, i too was raised as a catholic, and had my family torn apart by religion for many years., i have a good understanding of what religion is all about.

the part about parents teaching children thier religion that bugs me is when they teach their child that there is no other way. this does nothing for society except create another generation of people that fight to defend their beliefs, resulting in more pain and anguish.

and yes, i do find that a lot of religious people, especially in my experiences, catholics, are quite biggoted against people of other religions, and isn't that in it's essence against what they are taught? aren't we supposed to accept our brothers and sisters?

it was brought up in the santa thread that i push my beliefs on my children with regards to manners etc, so i can't really say anything about pushing religious beliefs. to be honest, i find this to be the most ridiculous statement, i teach my child manners so that they grow up to be a valued member of society, without manners, common courtesy and a sometime conversion to the norm, society would fall apart, there would be no order. so no, i do not believe there is a relation in teaching my children manners, and pushing my beliefs or non beliefs onto them.

[Phteven]

[QUOTE=boobaloo;1854415]

I actually was taken aback by the comment on the Duggan family that have their beliefs... The comment that their swimsuit was "ridiculous". Conversley your swimsuit may be "ridiculous" to others. We should be very wary of judging anothers beliefs/ways as ridiculous, silly or anti... From what I know many a fine war has been started in the name of religion. That is not religions "fault" it is the folk who judge anothers beliefs in a way that can be heard as hurtful and arrogant.

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the comment that i made about the swimsuits being ridiculous was intended in the context of children not being able to be comfortable within their body - that 'god' made -, but are instead expected to be covered at all times, and be kept modest. bodies are something that should be celebrated, not something that children should be made to feel they have to keep hidden for the sake of thier faith.

this comment does not make me 'anti' anything, i too was raised as a catholic, and had my family torn apart by religion for many years., i have a good understanding of what religion is all about.

I don't understand how being covered equates with not being comfortable with one's own body. It's arguable that people who choose to cover are so comfortable with their bodies that they don't have to seek the validity of displaying it for the gaze of others.
Who is more comfortable with their body - the 14 year old girl throwing up in a toilet so she feels better about herself or the 14 year old playing football in a tracksuit and hijab? Covered women have much lower rates of self-harm and eating disorders

[Maruschke]

I don't understand how being covered equates with not being comfortable with one's own body. It's arguable that people who choose to cover are so comfortable with their bodies that they don't have to seek the validity of displaying it for the gaze of others.
Who is more comfortable with their body - the 14 year old girl throwing up in a toilet so she feels better about herself or the 14 year old playing football in a tracksuit and hijab? Covered women have much lower rates of self-harm and eating disorders

Well said. FWIW, I did a subject at uni that covered comparative religions, and found out that many non-muslim women (especially in Egypt) have started to adopt the hijab. The women claim that it is liberating to them to not have to worry about or be defined by, fashion or sex appeal. I can see where they are coming from! I will see if I can find a link to the original study (sorry to go OT...).

EDIT This isn't the article I was thinking of, but it makes the same point.

[Maruschke]

the comment that i made about the swimsuits being ridiculous was intended in the context of children not being able to be comfortable within their body - that 'god' made -, but are instead expected to be covered at all times, and be kept modest. bodies are something that should be celebrated, not something that children should be made to feel they have to keep hidden for the sake of thier faith.

This is your belief, it is not fact. The Duggarts simply have different beliefs. Both of you are doing the same thing. You are teaching your children according to your beliefs. You both have the right to do this.

I believe God made my body and I am comfortable with it, but yet I choose to wear non-revealing clothes. It is all a matter of perpective.

[Ballerina]

and yes, i do find that a lot of religious people, especially in my experiences, catholics, are quite biggoted against people of other religions, and isn't that in it's essence against what they are taught? aren't we supposed to accept our brothers and sisters?

Mmmmmmm.....nothing quite as bitter and obscure as a fallen Catholic. What a misguided thing to say. This may very well be your experience with the people you know, but I also speak from the outside looking in. And you're wrong about Catholics as a whole. You're dead wrong.

I don't agree with everything that encompasses the catholic faith - that's why I'm not one. But don't get nasty about it and think it's acceptable to throw in a cheap shot just because you used to be one.

[boobaloo]

Mmmmmmm.....nothing quite as bitter and obscure as a fallen Catholic. What a misguided thing to say. This may very well be your experience with the people you know, but I also speak from the outside looking in. And you're wrong about Catholics as a whole. You're dead wrong.

I don't agree with everything that encompasses the catholic faith - that's why I'm not one. But don't get nasty about it and think it's acceptable to throw in a cheap shot just because you used to be one.

misguided? the fact that i used to be a catholic means that i can comment on some of the people that i came across, and i didn't say catholics as a whole, because honey, i havn't met catholics 'as a whole'.

and it wasn't a cheap shot, i said IN MY EXPERIENCE, therefore, as it is my experience i am entitled to say it.

i laugh that the majority of you have attacked me for my opinions, and said that i am misguided and biggoted, but i have clearly stated that i do not judge people on their religion - and yet most of you have judged me.

[Eugenia]

the part about parents teaching children thier religion that bugs me is when they teach their child that there is no other way. this does nothing for society except create another generation of people that fight to defend their beliefs, resulting in more pain and anguish.

But if I believe that my faith is the only way then I'd be doing my children a disservice if I didn't teach them that. I was brought up Christian, of the more conservative kind (Baptist), but I was also taught to respect other people and their beliefs. I intend to teach my children the same way. I went to Catholic school and my best friend there was an agnostic, I went to university with people who were Catholic, Anglican, JW, atheist, pagan and I don't know what else and I got on well with all of them because their particular faith did not make a difference how I saw them as a person. Tthat's not to say I've only ever gotten on well with everyone I've ever met but religion has never been the reason why I've not made friends with someone. I have also met people of many religions who have been close minded and intolerant, and atheists who have been as bad too.

As for the whole swimsuit comment, well I find there an example of the intolerance the poster claims religious people have. So what if they're taught to cover up? You believe that someone's body should be celebrated but that is only your belief. I don't have a problem with body image but I don't want to share my body with all and sundry. I am not ashamed or embarrased by my body but I feel more comfortable when dressed modestly and that is something else I will be sharing with my daughter. I think the whole "celebrate you body" thing is part of modern Western society. There's plenty of people in other cultures who walk around half naked not because they see it as somehow more worthy but because it's their cultural norm.

I probably have more to say (rant, LOL) but I have to put the baby to bed.

[Eugenia]

sorry, I posted twice. I'll probably come back and fill this in later.