Jehovah's Witness'

[Glamourcide]

Ah, thanks ladies, that does make things a lot clearer in my head I appreciate it, I'd been thinking very long and hard about it over the past few days!

[Ca Plane Pour Moi]

In English, Soul means Body - honestly! You think about the SOS - you think those people want you to pray for an immortal part of them? No. "Save our souls" they cry: come and rescue us.

Adam was a living soul (Gen 2:7, 1Cor 15:45), Noah's ark carried eight souls (Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives).

I think the Matthew verse you quoted was for emphasis, maybe "the body and the life in the body" but not the spirit, the personality, which we see will live beyond death when we are resurrected with new life and a new body. The word of God can also split apart the soul and the spirit (Heb 4:12).

Also, Ecclesiastes 12:7 - this talks about the dust returning to earth upon death but the spirit returning to God, who gave it, and will keep it safe until the resurrection.

[diannescruffy]

Also, Ecclesiastes 12:7 - this talks about the dust returning to earth upon death but the spirit returning to God, who gave it, and will keep it safe until the resurrection.

Ok, so doesn't this mean that when we die our body stays on earth and our spirit goes with God? So then how can our soul be our body? Sorry still confused.

Regards,
Dianne

[Ca Plane Pour Moi]

I don't understand what you're asking. Our soul turns to dust and is nothing, our spirit returns to God, the giver of life. Soul = body, they are the same thing.

[Peg]

Ok, so doesn't this mean that when we die our body stays on earth and our spirit goes with God? So then how can our soul be our body? Sorry still confused.

Regards,
Dianne

i know its confusing, but when we understand the meaning behind 'soul' and 'spirit' we see that they are not the same thing.

If i was to say, "so and so is in high spirits today" you'd know that i was talking about their personality and character. Lady Zaidie explained its difference to 'soul' very well...""the body and the life in the body" but not the spirit, the personality"

IOW, the soul is the physical body whereas the spirit is the life force within that body...its what animates the body.

We know the soul can die from this scripture:
Ezekiel 18:3 "Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As the soul of the father so likewise the soul of the son—to me they belong. The soul that is sinning—it itself will die"

then we see the state of death is unconsciousness in this scripture
Ecclesiasties 9:5*"For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all"

and we are also told the the spirit does not live on in this one because all 'thought' perishes so obviously the spirit is not a conscious thing
Psalm 146:4 "His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground;
In that day his thoughts do perish"


So from these scriptures, both soul and spirit die. The soul because it is the physical body, and the spirit because it is the life force within that body. Its the life force within the body that God remembers and when he creates a new physical body in the resurrection, he will put his memory of that persons spirit into it.

[diannescruffy]

Thank you.

Regards,
Dianne

[MrsFabuloso]

Ohh, thanks for the extra questions girls, this is really interesting!