Yes please, that's the kind of information I'm after - for any religion.
Edit - Oh I have your PM, thanks. If I can get some non-modernized references, that would be good too.
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Yes please, that's the kind of information I'm after - for any religion.
Edit - Oh I have your PM, thanks. If I can get some non-modernized references, that would be good too.
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yep change it where it says "the message" to what version u would prefer
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In Genesis, cant think exactly where but near the start, look for the chapters on Arbraham, circumcision was a covenant God made with Abraham, that Abraham and all of his male ancestors be circumcised at i think 8 days of age. i think all of the males in Arbrahams house had to be circumcised too, the servants and so on. HTH
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the man who wrote that article is not a very good source for information.
I like this one under the Jewish circumsicion section:
"Deut 21:10:14 Rape is perfectly acceptable as long as it is an enemy woman you are raping."
This scripture is abour marriage....nothing about raping anyone. Talk about taking a scripture out of context!
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Actually, it's not about marriage. To consider a chapter about women captured in war to be be about marriage is like equating Guantanamo Bay to a holiday camp. This chapter and verse is about taking a woman captive, deciding to take her home and having sex with her. If you don't enjoy the sex then let her go. But if you do then you can be her husband (whether or not she likes the idea). Let me quote a longer portion of the chapter.
Deuteronomy 21
10 “When you go out to war against your enemies, and the LORD your God delivers them into your hand, and you take them captive, 11 and you see among the captives a beautiful woman, and desire her and would take her for your wife, 12 then you shall bring her home to your house, and she shall shave her head and trim her nails. 13 She shall put off the clothes of her captivity, remain in your house, and mourn her father and her mother a full month; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. 14 And it shall be, if you have no delight in her, then you shall set her free, but you certainly shall not sell her for money; you shall not treat her brutally, because you have humbled her.
Commandments like this show why Deuteronomy (and much of the Old Testament) is ignored. If you ignore this, then surely it's not a big step to ignore circumcision?
Oh my!
Can I respectfully ask please why this behaviour was thought as okay?
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so the raping begins a month after she has had time to mourn for her family?
I dont know about anyone else, but that doesnt sound like rape to me.
You know, the context of the times is important to take into consideration. In times of war, all nations took captives. Thats what ancient civilisations did. However, if you were taken captive by the Isrealites you fared much better then if you were taken captive by lets say the babylonians or the ninevites.
Once the captive woman became a wife, she was entitled to the same protection and benefits under the law as any other isrealite woman. They were not considered slaves, they were not beaten, they were not tortured and definately not raped...they were protected, clothed, fed and cared for.
Please explain how that amounts to rape?
Last edited by Peg; March 31st, 2010 at 02:32 PM.
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