I take comfort in knowing others are going through the same, but not that you're having the same issues tho....

I dont think i would worry so much but Im so sleep deprived my personalty is changed....i have also lossed a love one 8 months ago so thats not helping either...but im getting very angry when she doesnt sleep because im so tired and not myself.......after patting up and down for hrs it gets too me...

I have tried to just let her play in the bed with me but she cries and jumps on my face, and pulls my hair and nose and lays on me ....she hated sleeping with me but has got a little better. i normally bring her in after 12pm -6 ...

Yes we have a routine, dinner, bath, dressed, cuddle or book or something like that, bottle then bed....she goes about 7.30...but between 7-8pm.....she sleeps ok during the day anywhere from 45-1/30 morning and afternoon....

I dont know what it is with my children or if its me!!!!!!!!!!! but my 4 year old always wants to sleep with me...she has no problems actually sleeping or putting herself to sleep, it just has to be with me...thats why i have tried to keep the 1yr old in the cot..wasnt going to make the same mistake...

Im going to keep trying the self settling and keep at it at see how i go.....she hasnt quiet worked it out yet so maybe that will help

fingers crossed

and what about a 3rd child...im not sure i could do it again after two bad sleepers

any other info or advise let me know

thanks so much