Olive: my 3.5yo DS sounds very similar to yours! Yes, after bath time is baaaad. Worst time of the day. The best thing though is that DS started kinder creche (locally known as "co-op") four full days a week. He is a different child there! And he loves it! At the end of each day at around 5.45pm when i go to collect him I stand back out of his view and observe. He is generally the quieter child following instructions while other kids are being noisey and silly! I am so relieved that he is actually capable of modifying his behaviour! I suspect that at home my DS has found his niche as the loud joker. As you know his older brother is quiet, shy sensitive type and my DD is probably too old for him to compare himself to. I have heard that kids in larger families find their own niche and this can reinforce certain behaviours. Maybe at co-op my DS is surrounded by lots of loud ones and he has found that he gets more attention if he is quiet? I'm not saying one set of behaviours is necessarily better than the other... I'm just glad to see that my 3.5yo can adapt... I was thinking he was going to grow up being loud and silly everyhwere he goes!