When Pip has a day sleep, he's in bed at 8pmish. Most of the time we can't get him to sleep (but we do "quiet time" from about 3-5pm where he watches teev in a darkened room) and he is in bed at around 7pm. Unfortunately he's still bouncing around until about 7:30 if we let him. And he's waking up around 6:30 - 7:30 which isn't so good, cause he used to wake up around 8:30 - 9:30, and he's really feeling the effects of that need for sleep. About once or twice a week he wakes up around 9am-ish when he's really exhausted.
We are finding that he's waking more and having more broken nights when he's overtired. Vicious circle indeed.






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she is now very ready for bed by 8pm and her wake up time is the same as DD1. DD3 is 16 months and goes down around 8.45 and is up around 6/6.30


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