Well the little tiger likes making a liar out of me. After our 40 minute cleaning session he has been tidying up like a trooper... maybe just maybe there is hope for him yet. Yeah we did the bin thing with Paris too, and it does work, but it was age appropriate, so we did discuss respect of belongings etc and instead of bin, now its those less fortunate than ourselves because they would respect what they have because they don't have very much etc etc.