Which 2-month vaccinations did you get?

[Pretty Butterfly]

Schmickers has a post here somewhere about risk groups, as in unclean living, indigenous groups etc...

As Lulu said, what are the chances of my baby, in this day and age, of catching Hep B as a newborn?? Massively unlikely, so the risk is greater that she will have a reaction, than actually get Hep B. Same with Polio. Much higher chance of something in the vac harming her, than her getting Polio.

Japan has the highest health rate of babies in the world now, since they stopped all vac's till 2 years of age, which is where most sociability and cc kick in over there. So am considering following thier lead.

The US, having the highest Vac rate in the worl, has plummeted to the equivelent of a third world country since starting to mass Vac, with baby deaths. Food for thought.

[Lulu]

"Dutch scientists are struggling to identify the exact cause of an epidemic of whooping cough that has swept throughout the country despite vaccination rates as high as 96%. Similar problems are also being reported from Norway and Denmark." -British Medical Journal, 1998.

More food...

[Arcadia]

Japan has the highest health rate of babies in the world now, since they stopped all vac's till 2 years of age...The US, having the highest Vac rate in the worl, has plummeted to the equivelent of a third world country since starting to mass Vac, with baby deaths. Food for thought.

These statistics are also used to link vaccination and SIDS...I'm not sure how credible the research is, but here is the link if you're interested:
Consumer Health Articles: VACCINATIONS: PART I - MEDICAL RESEARCH ON SIDS AND EPIDEMICS

[LaDeeDa]

Lulu - thats fair enough babe I hadn't considered it that way.....

I have to be honest and don't judge me but I haven't researched Vacc's .... it has only been recently on BB that I've realised you have a choice .....

EEEEKKKK!!!! Don't wanna go tonight .... my poor little baby getting stuck

[Arcadia]

I should probably have added, that other studies have debunked this link between SIDS and Vax...

I know this is from a pro-vax website, but anyway...Does vaccination cause SIDS?

[Kitt3n]

a really good website to check out is avn (its got a dot org in it not a com, makes it a bit tricky to find if you google - so mods i hope that is OK to say that)... and its got au at the end!!

[Lulu]

I googled Dr Mary Megson (as per another thread) and it led me into some really good sites.

[Pretty Butterfly]

These statistics are based on research into vaccination and SIDS, with the deaths recorded reflecting children dying of SIDS rather than diseases...]

Hon the study I found wasn't about sids, it was purely on Vac.

" The same happened in Japan after 1975 when the vaccination age was lifted to 2 years, Japan zoomed from a much higher rate(17th place) to the lowest mortality rate (1st place) in the world"....." After the US mandated the DPT vaccine there was a doccumented 300% sustained increase in the reported cases of whooping cough, and it is still rising, to the point that, with mandatory vaccination in most states and 5 doses of the vaccine, it now occurs at a far higher rate then before the introduction of the vaccine."......."Indeed, despite the overall far superior living standards in other respects - better housing, clean water, nutrition, etc, the US infant mortality rates rival those of the third world. Significantly it went from 6th place in the world in the early fifties before mass vaccination started to 20th place by 1990, and it has since dropped several ranks further (down to 26th place a few years ago). Similarly, measles had virtually disappeared in Europe, UNTIL vaccination began, after which it rose again."

[Heaven]

ahhhhhh........ I still don't know what to do. I need more time! If I do decide to get them they'll be a bit late coz I'm not ready to get them yet.

For those who haven't vaccinated their kids what precautions do you have to take?? DD won't be in childcare or anything so that's ok but I can just see myself worrying all the time when ppl hold her if she's going to catch something!! I'm so petrified of whooping cough but also the vaccine for it!! Wow, this is a really tough decision.

Also, what do u do when u have older kids at school and then a baby, what if the older kids bring something home?

[Lulu]

I don't limit the contact indefinitely, I still went to playgroups etc, but they were very small and most of the time the babies were in the pram or rolling on a blanket.

I didn't do shopping centres (aside from the fact its quicker if I go alone), a sling is good from protecting them from those ridiculous people that SNEEZE without a hanky - I also suppose I am lucky in that my friends and family won't hold a baby if they feel sick

As soon as they are mobile they start eating dirt and snails but thats ok, cos they are slowly building up their own immunities. I also don't have 8 million bleach/clean products in the house.

Pertussis bothers me too, as does the vacc

[Arcadia]

Sorry to hijack your thread Heaven

Hon the study I found wasn't about sids, it was purely on Vac.

Thanks for that Pretty Butterfly. I am confused when articles and research papers state "infant mortality" because I have read so many articles that discuss the positioning of the US and Japan in the ranking of infant mortality, but I am unsure if they mean mortality from everything, or just from vax related diseases? I was looking into vax and SIDS and came across those stats used to describe the rise in SIDS with mass vax (and the decrease in SIDS when Japan raised vax age). Bad research on my part to assume the paper I was reading had independent statistics (I have corrected my post accordingly...sorry if I have confused anyone!)

As far as I can tell this idea of ranking infant mortality comes from the UN world population prospects reports, which looks at all causes of infant death (the most common worldwide being pnemonia currently and then dehydration, but includes SIDS, infection, infanticide etc). Please correct me if I am wrong though...I am interested because so many vax articles cite infant mortality rates without necessarily isolating the rates of specific diseases.