Before you or your family get the gardasil vaccination...

[loulabelle]

Estimates of up to 70% of people have hpv.There are more than 200 strains of hpv, yet, gardisal only helps prevent about 4 strains. How is that it is even called a hpv vaccine?

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[ladybirdflies]

hahaha!!! I was wondering where you all would continue your debate!!!

[RockinSAHD]

I'm confused I'm afraid. Did you read an explanation? I couldn't but I assume that they had to have a second placebo to make sure the aluminium wasn't interfering with the results.

I'm pretty sure what your saying wouldn't happen in such a journal but I could be wrong.

[RockinSAHD]

Estimates of up to 70% of people have hpv.There are more than 200 strains of hpv, yet, gardisal only helps prevent about 4 strains. How is that it is even called a hpv vaccine?

Well, it's only a few strains but it's the major ones. The estimate is more than 70% of HPV cases but it's expected to be higher.

As I said it's no magic trick. If you have HPV it won't work, if you avoid HPV then your very lucky, if you have another strain it may not work. You might be 20 and die of cervical cancer or just get your cervix cut up, your much more likely to get it if your 80 but noone deserves to die of cancer no matter their age. There are much much nicer ways to pass.

Still the vaccine has the potential to save a LOT of lives.

[Yeddi]

But aluminium does interfere with the results. Look at the difference between side effects between the shot and the alum "placebo", there's only 10% difference. But the reactions between the saline and the vax are times 100. What difference would that have made if the "real" placebo was used for the whole control group. Also, Aluminium is an adjuvant, right? We know it effects the immune system. How are we to know that it didn't weaken the immune system, allowing HPV in those in the control group to take hold within the cervix to create the lesions explaining the difference? We don't. Are the increase in lesions a result of not being vaccinated or the result of a weakened immune system through aluminium overload? With this method of "study", and I use the term lightly, we don't know. This study does not address concerns, in fact it only creates more.

[Yeddi]

You might be 20 and die of cervical cancer or just get your cervix cut up, your much more likely to get it if your 80 but noone deserves to die of cancer no matter their age. There are much much nicer ways to pass.

Again, overly dramatic and verging on the point of emotional blackmail and fear mongering tactics. Firstly, I think a woman's cervix is her own business, and your sentiment above reminds me very much of the dead baby card some obgyns use on women who VBAC.

Secondly, no one dies from old age, they die from something failing, which is part of old age. No one deserves to die, period, but we don't get to choose how we go, and we all do die. Your focus on this is ridiculous. The "risk the adverse effects now, when you're young and healthy at 13, 20, 25 etc. so you don't die of cancer when your 80 and already riddled with arthritis, bad eyesight and hearing etc" is not a very good argument. Time to move on...

[Kimbles01]

I had the vaccines because I just fit into the free bracket when first offered. Sure, they hurt like anything, but apart from that no issues.

I just figured that whatever I could do to protect myself and was available to me, I'd research and then if I was happy to proceed I did. This is bearing in mind that I've only ever had one sexual partner (DH) and I am his only partner, but still you never know who you may come in contact with, whether by choice or not, and the effects that may come out of it, and knowing that I could've done more to protect myself just in case, however unlikely, would have done my head in.

But that being said it is a very personal choice for each individual, and if I do end up having a daughter, I'd want her to be informed, and educated in all respects, and ultimately have her make the decision for herself.

[RockinSAHD]

Again, overly dramatic and verging on the point of emotional blackmail and fear mongering tactics. Firstly, I think a woman's cervix is her own business, and your sentiment above reminds me very much of the dead baby card some obgyns use on women who VBAC.

Secondly, no one dies from old age, they die from something failing, which is part of old age. No one deserves to die, period, but we don't get to choose how we go, and we all do die. Your focus on this is ridiculous. The "risk the adverse effects now, when you're young and healthy at 13, 20, 25 etc. so you don't die of cancer when your 80 and already riddled with arthritis, bad eyesight and hearing etc" is not a very good argument. Time to move on...

Sounds good to me. What are you reading in that link you posted? I'm not even sure were on the same page.

[alish]

i mirror kimbles post, down to every word!

[Yeddi]

Sounds good to me. What are you reading in that link you posted? I'm not even sure were on the same page.

The tables on pages 11 and 12.

[Yeddi]

More evidence that this vaccine's safety trials have been done comparing the vaccine against an aluminium "placebo".

Cervical cancer vaccination indications, efficacy, and side effects

Phase 3 Trials again used aluminium-based "placebos"

[RockinSAHD]

Um, I'm not going to argue with Yeddi anymore, if anyone's interested. If you want to know more about the post above or feel your owed some kind of explanation, feel free to pm me and say hello!

[RockinSAHD]

I've got it! Are you really the CEO of a pharmaceutical company posing as a nurse?

LOL! No, I am a nurse but if someone would like to offer me a job that actually pays well I would appreciate it!