Do You Think Childhood Vaccinations Should Be Compulsory?

[RockinSAHD]

I haven't seen a website that shares unbiased and accurate anti-vaccination advice, I would be interested in hearing what they have to say but extremely sceptical. I have read your posts Trillian, but as I said, I haven't seen this information so assume that its no better than You Know Who.

Yeddi: Immunisation works on the assumption that we can wipe out diseases and immunisation is a very different idea than antibiotics. Apparently wiping out diseases is impractical: diseases adapt when they are allowed to grow in sick people, like conscientious objectors children. The lower the immunisation rate in a population the more the diseases will adapt, thats how it works

Antibiotics treat disease, immunisation and antiseptics prevent disease. Also basic stuff. Immunisation doesn't create superbugs, using antibiotics to treat diseases that should be wiped out by good public health measures creates superbugs.

[Trillian]

Then why did you assume that I based the decision on what the AVN have to say? I am fully aware that the AVN are probably considered the lunatic fringe of anti-vaccination, but are they to be treated any more sceptically than Big Pharma should be?

[Lulu]

So how do you explain the massive outbreaks of Whooping Cough in areas with the highest vaccination rate?

[Miss.September]

The joke with Whooping Cough is the immunisation is only good for 30 years. But we (as in my family) didn't know this until six odd months ago when my mum got it. That's when her doctor told her she should have been reimmunised. Only 25 odd years late!!!!! So because it isn't widely known that the immunisations wear off (and I'm talking the older generation here) I guess that's why its on the increase again too. So not only are immunisations important to begin with (should you decide that they are), then so are the boosters 30 years later.

[Yeddi]

...diseases adapt when they are allowed to grow in sick people, like conscientious objectors children.

Gross! I consider this the same sentiment as Hitler and his "dam dirty Jews" who spread disease like rats. It's completely unsupported and asinine.

Also, your use of terms like "basic stuff" and "that's how stuff works" is condescending and implies that you think I'm a fool, and again need "correcting" or "educating". I asked for you to expand on your comment in the spirit of binary discussion, as your brevity failed to properly communicate your meaning. My 4.0 would imply I'm not an idiot, and I would appreciate language that was open and that didn't try and diminish my opinion just because it is different from yours. It's a dirty tactic and I'm not the only one you've taken on such a presumptuous attitude with.

What cause would there be for a disease to mutate in a child who isn't immunised? If an unimmunised child gets a disease it either kills them, or they build a natural REAL immunity for LIFE. Also, unlike artificial immunisation, immunity built naturally can also be passed on to their own children to varying degrees. (Did you know that how we smell to the opposite sex is a direct reflection of our natural immune system and whether it is similar or different? Those with opposite immune systems smell better than those with similar ones - because opposite immune systems build stronger children.) If there is any huge mutation of a disease, it would be where the status quo has been unnaturally or dramatically changed that requires that disease to also change as a direct result. If there was to be a mutation that was natural (in which it occurred because it was left to its own devices) then the human immune system would also adapt in kind. But all (and you can look this up - I've downloaded it from BMJ but can't find where I've saved it ATT) of the known mutations at this time are found ONLY in those immunised. What you are saying is "basic stuff" isn't actually supported by the evidence.

[Inanna]

Yeddi you rock.

[LimeSlice]

Gotta spread the love Yeddi, but had to say that was fabulous

[willow5]

Yeddi

[Trillian]

Not to sound like a creepy stalker or anything, but Yeddi, I think I have a crush on you LOL.

[Kamarine]

Gross! I consider this the same sentiment as Hitler and his "dam dirty Jews" who spread disease like rats. It's completely unsupported and asinine.

Also, your use of terms like "basic stuff" and "that's how stuff works" is condescending and implies that you think I'm a fool, and again need "correcting" or "educating". I asked for you to expand on your comment in the spirit of binary discussion, as your brevity failed to properly communicate your meaning. My 4.0 would imply I'm not an idiot, and I would appreciate language that was open and that didn't try and diminish my opinion just because it is different from yours. It's a dirty tactic and I'm not the only one you've taken on such a presumptuous attitude with.

What cause would there be for a disease to mutate in a child who isn't immunised? If an unimmunised child gets a disease it either kills them, or they build a natural REAL immunity for LIFE. Also, unlike artificial immunisation, immunity built naturally can also be passed on to their own children to varying degrees. (Did you know that how we smell to the opposite sex is a direct reflection of our natural immune system and whether it is similar or different? Those with opposite immune systems smell better than those with similar ones - because opposite immune systems build stronger children.) If there is any huge mutation of a disease, it would be where the status quo has been unnaturally or dramatically changed that requires that disease to also change as a direct result. If there was to be a mutation that was natural (in which it occurred because it was left to its own devices) then the human immune system would also adapt in kind. But all (and you can look this up - I've downloaded it from BMJ but can't find where I've saved it ATT) of the known mutations at this time are found ONLY in those immunised. What you are saying is "basic stuff" isn't actually supported by the evidence.

Well said.