Dont want to immunise, but.....(Micheal??)

[Pretty Butterfly]

Yeah, I wish i'd known all this earlier!!!

I keep digging and digging, (driving DH crazy!), and underdeveloped countries, who rarley vacs, have almost no Autism, asthma and excema?? And they live in squalled, dusty dirty conditions....

Also, just as the rate of these infectious diseases were going down, due to better living conditions, we started to vacs, and they started to go back up!!!! Its just mad.....

We are seriously thinking instead of delayed vacs, we'll just the pertinent ones when needed.... like chicken pox before high school if they dont get it before hand....

[Michelle71]

Personally, if you are going to partially immunise I would not get the chicken pox one but I would get the whooping cough, tetanus and german measles immunisations (because she is a girl but that can be later). JMO though

[Pretty Butterfly]

Personally, if you are going to partially immunise I would not get the chicken pox one but I would get the whooping cough, tetanus and german measles immunisations (because she is a girl but that can be later). JMO though

Yep. Will get Tetanus when she walks, and german measles at 12-13. I dont think you can get Whooping Cough on its own, I'm looking into that one still!!! My blue book says ita all combined....

I thought chicken pox got dangerous (as in extremly sick) as you get older. Is that not the case? If she doesn't really need it, I dont want her to have it!!!

[Michelle71]

Not as bad as measles. Chicken pox is more dangerous as an infant with a high mortality rate. It is only a recently introduced vaccine. Just make sure whatever you decide is clearly documented for her and she is aware of her status. Especially as she gets older and may want to travel to places where some of the diseases are more prevalent.

[Arcadia]

Delayed vacc is an interesting question which i asked the dr about. He said the reason they give them so young is because until 8 mths the baby still has antibodies from the placenta present as well as breastmilk in bf babies. After 8 mths is usually when little babies start to get sick, so vaccinations are given from a young age to develop their own personal antibodies before the placental antibodies recede (i can't remember all the technical terms).

I haven't researched this point myself, but I would be interested to hear if this true, or as is often the case, the dr was just trying gto talk us into vax.

[HotI]

[QUOTE=Pretty Butterfly;1696077]Thanks hon!!
Up until 2001,(thats when the study ended, not they found cases of Autism..) not one child that didn't get vac, had ever developed Autism...How can they not make this public knowledge???
QUOTE]

Can you point me to this study? I had a look on the site the previous poster put up but couldn't find it.

A recent press release came out that the original study that found a link between immunisation and autism had serious flaws and the conclusions could not be sustained by the evidence. [Of course i can't find the link now when i need it, but will keep looking] Again, research since then may have shown a link, but the original one had flaws.

ETA- found it!


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle5683643.ece

I keep digging and digging, (driving DH crazy!), and underdeveloped countries, who rarley vacs, have almost no Autism, asthma and excema?? And they live in squalled, dusty dirty conditions....

I haven't looked into this, so can't agree or disagree but maybe the conditions are just not diagnosed because people don't have as ready access to medical care in those countries. i visited a university and teaching hospital in Cambodia a few years ago, and they had one treatment for cancer. No matter what sort of cancer you had, only one treatment was available.

People only went to hospital for care when their cancer was very advanced, and treatment wasn't going to help and they died. People then thought if you go to hospital, you are going to die, so you only go when it is really bad. And most people could not afford costs of treatment anyway. Vicious circle.

So my point is that these conditions may be occurring less in these countries, and if so we may be able to find reasons (maybe we need more dirt?), but it may be they occur at same rate but are just not diagnosed because children die early or just do not get medical attention where the condition could be diagnosed.

[Pretty Butterfly]

That is true too....

There are really sooo many sides...

I'm trying to find the other part for you, but the exact line is... "We have found NO cases of it developing in a previous healthy unvaccinated child"....

It is also the ingredients that bother me a LOT, not just the autism "link".

I am just looking at from another point of view... they may not be able to find the exact link yet to the cause of autism, but the lack of it in unvaccinated kids cant be ignored... and there are so many other problems with the vacs, not just this one problem.. the list seems endless....

" The same happened in Japan after 1975 when the vaccination age was lifted to 2 years, Japan zoomed from a much higher rate(17th place) to the lowest mortality rate (1st place) in the world"... again, no proof it causes anything, but there is proof in not giving vacs...

" After the US mandated the DPT vaccine there was a doccumented 300% sustained increase in the reported cases of whooping cough, and it is still rising, to the point that, with mandatory vaccination in most states and 5 doses of the vaccine, it now occurs at a far higher rate then before the introduction of the vaccine."

"Indeed, despite the overall far superior living standards in other respects - better housing, clean water, nutrition, etc, the US infant mortality rates rival those of the third world. Significantly it went from 6th place in the world in the early fifties before mass vaccination started to 20th place by 1990, and it has since dropped several ranks further (down to 26th place a few years ago). Similarly, measles had virtually disappeared in Europe, UNTIL vaccination began, after which it rose again."

Uuummm, so much thinking to do.....

[Peg]

Delayed vacc is an interesting question which i asked the dr about. He said the reason they give them so young is because until 8 mths the baby still has antibodies from the placenta present as well as breastmilk in bf babies. After 8 mths is usually when little babies start to get sick, so vaccinations are given from a young age to develop their own personal antibodies before the placental antibodies recede (i can't remember all the technical terms).

I haven't researched this point myself, but I would be interested to hear if this true, or as is often the case, the dr was just trying gto talk us into vax.

Its partially right. Babies get antibodies from the mother whilst breast feeding and some still in the system for a while.

the thing is that a baby does not have an immune system until after 6 months. So if vaccines are given to newborns, its not really going to be good for it because there is no immune system to develop.

After i learned that fact, and the dr confirmed it, I asked why they bother giving vaccines at all and the dr didn't have an answer.

Its seems pretty logical to me that if vaccines are meant to 'build' up the immune system, a baby without an immune system is really just getting a vile of toxic chemicals.

[Janie]

Surely babies have some sort of immune system happening before 6 months???? I know the immune system is a very complex thing, but that just seems wrong to me, that they have none????