Dont want to immunise, but.....(Micheal??)

[Pretty Butterfly]

That is true too....

There are really sooo many sides...

I'm trying to find the other part for you, but the exact line is... "We have found NO cases of it developing in a previous healthy unvaccinated child"....

It is also the ingredients that bother me a LOT, not just the autism "link".

I am just looking at from another point of view... they may not be able to find the exact link yet to the cause of autism, but the lack of it in unvaccinated kids cant be ignored... and there are so many other problems with the vacs, not just this one problem.. the list seems endless....

" The same happened in Japan after 1975 when the vaccination age was lifted to 2 years, Japan zoomed from a much higher rate(17th place) to the lowest mortality rate (1st place) in the world"... again, no proof it causes anything, but there is proof in not giving vacs...

" After the US mandated the DPT vaccine there was a doccumented 300% sustained increase in the reported cases of whooping cough, and it is still rising, to the point that, with mandatory vaccination in most states and 5 doses of the vaccine, it now occurs at a far higher rate then before the introduction of the vaccine."

"Indeed, despite the overall far superior living standards in other respects - better housing, clean water, nutrition, etc, the US infant mortality rates rival those of the third world. Significantly it went from 6th place in the world in the early fifties before mass vaccination started to 20th place by 1990, and it has since dropped several ranks further (down to 26th place a few years ago). Similarly, measles had virtually disappeared in Europe, UNTIL vaccination began, after which it rose again."

Uuummm, so much thinking to do.....

[Arcadia]

Just to position myself...I am choosing to vax DD, but I truly think your concerns are valid ones. I have had to think about possible side effects a lot, and I am still nervous about the whole thing (we go for the first shot on Thurs), but I find it interesting that the debate about vaccinations always focusses on the negatives of vaccinations.

I must admit I found myself overwhemed by the possibility of side effects, and the study linking MMR to autism, but I realised I was just focussing on the negatives of vax, not the positive outcomes the majority of people experience - namely a high percentage (although not total) immunity from some nasty and deadly diseases.

I think its interesting that we in a first world nation are now choosing not to vax, when people in third world nations could be saved if given access to the same vax programs.

I could have gone either way...it really is a tough decision.

[Oorki Galoorki]

i think you might find the reason that alot of "negative" information is out here is due to the fact that only "positive" info is coming from the doctors that do these immunisations
there is always 2 sides of the story which means that very few people are nuetral.
and research is always twisted to a particular way depending on the persons personal opinion

[Mumma2three]

just letting you know, Sydney now has an outbreak of Whooping cough. There is no way I wouldn't vaccinate my third as his two older sisters are at school/kindy. To me whooping cough is too scary (especially in under 1year old).
I have been a bit weary of vaccine's but am going to get them for DS. I avoided Hep B, dont think it's necessary, but will get the rest. A nurse told me yesterday that a positive of the chick pox vax is that you can't get shingles later if you've never had chicken pox. Shingles is chick pox lying dormant in your body after chick pox and is terrible. That was something I didnt know. I didnt immunise DD1 with it but she chose to have it at 8 years as she had decided she didnt' want to catch it!
As for Japan, I had that same thought, but the thing with Japan is (as my Kenisiologist pointed out) they aren't as multicultural as us, therefore we have more risk here.
I would definitely see if you can get the whooping cough vax. It's been around our school and is going around many others. xo

[Kitt3n]

you know i have really thought about this, and if the whooping cough vaccine was worth the risk then there wouldnt be any around, because it would have worked!

[Pretty Butterfly]

Thats what I think too Kitten.... The rate is now higher, not lower.... same with many of the vacs, theres now more problems than before....

We were all vac as kids, and still got chicken pox, measles, mumps etc....
and I got chicken pox bad....


We didn't get Harmony vac after much talk with DH.... she is at such a low risk.... not worth the risk to us.... all the shots are together.. the whole lot except rotovirus... not impressed....

I'll review how we feel at the 4 month ones.....

[Laranna]

you know i have really thought about this, and if the whooping cough vaccine was worth the risk then there wouldnt be any around, because it would have worked!

Just a thought, but as more people are doing their research and choosing not to immunise, do you think the whooping cough rates are higher because more people are not immunised?

Adults can carry the whooping cough virus without even knowing it. What we think is just a cough, could be whooping cough and we risk passing it on to our kids.

[Pretty Butterfly]

Laranna, the studies showed a rapid increase in Whooping cough after the vac was bought out. And it is still rising!

And theoretically, if only 2% of the population aren't vac'ed, then 98% of people with whooping cough were vac'd anyway... so it cant work that well....I didn't see the point of putting all those chemicals in my daughter,... I just keep her away from anyone that is the slightest bit unwell...