Unproven theories *snort* can you say, "herd immunity", "effectiveness". Why is it, the only time I see your user name is always in singing the unproven benefits and safety of vaccination? And the debate has never been only about the MMR, that's just the one that has been picked up by popular media because of Wakefield (whom, shock and horror, doesn't even factor into many non-vaxers decision making). This however, is an area you always seem to get caught up on from previous experience. Also, I'm looking for where it says anything about "combination of vaccines" other than in your posts. Again, from previous experience, there seems to be a big gulf between what someone actually writes and how you interpret it.
Im happy to concede if I miss a point, I focus on MMR because even if the anti-vax camp has dropped him long ago, Wakefield was the only hard research showing a link. The same way the media would have picked it up as hard 'evidence' as opposed to the poor attempt at a news report you posted earlier in the thread.
I do sing the praises of vaccinations, the WHO estimates that 2.5 million lives are saved by vaccinations (and endless human misery avoided) ever year, though I know your going to say that the WHO are corrupt bureaucrats and the figures are nonsense.
I can say Herd Immunity. I suppose you think that vaccinations are done by a few dodgy operators in back sheds??? I couldn't find the exact figure but by looking on the WHO website world vaccination figures are more than 80%, thats atleast 4.8 billion people. Very careful records are recorded in every country and by several international organisations about immunisation rates and disease rates (even autism rates!). Thousands of pages of complex stats are published every year coming from all over the globe, the information is all there, on the internet for you to see and analyse yourself. Im not going to do the work for you, herd immunity is the cornerstone of this data and thousands of pages of analysis of third world vaccine takeup bears it out time and time again.
After all this do you really think that some person with 5 postgrad degrees in immunology and stats and a supercomputer is suddenly going to say "you know, this whole vaccine thing is actually not working out, we were wrong after all".
If you think that its all doctored by big pharma to fund their coffers while the world is poisoned by their legacy, really, then it might be time to wear a a foil hat and start preaching the end of the earth!
I'm sorry Lilias for hijacking your thread into a debate.
I hate it when my kids cry after getting a needle too, luckily my second isn't really bothered and doesn't cry, my first hated it. We all seem to get a bit sick after we get immunised, that's because our immune system is 'ramping up', responding to the perceived threat of the vaccination.
After our immune system is activated it will take a pattern from the vaccine so its ready to respond to the real disease. This whole process can last from a few days to more than a month and your children might have symptoms like fever, irritability and rashes for this whole time even though they are not really sick. This is not the same as having an adverse reaction, which is rare but can be dangerous. The nurse or doctor who will be giving the immunisation will be able to answer all your questions on this one.
I haven't read any of the replies, but I personally don't think there is a connection. Both my children are immunised.
DS1 didn't receive the birth dosage of Heb B but has had the rest, DS2 has had all (so far).
DS1 has a range of issues including ASD, hearing loss, sensory processing disorder, developmental delays, etc. DS2 is neuro-typical and other than some mild developmental delays is doing really well. DS1 displayed signs of being 'different' from a very early age, he has always had the traits that got him the Autism diagnosis it just happened that by about 18m-2yrs (around the same time as his MMR) his traits become more profound.
As far as I'm concerned, DS1's issues are related to his pregnancy, birth and prematurity complications not because he was immunised. I hope that helps.
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