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    BellyBelly Member
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    My interest is that of patient care.
    Respect is a two way street.
    Blanket disrespect of medical professionals in my opinion is dangerous and unfounded.
    You have NO idea how I interact with my patients. You are making massive, offensive assumptions.
    Keep your shirt on. I said that I didn't trust that your opinion wasn't clouded by the bias of your profession, I never said anything about how you personally interact with your patients. Everyone has their own bias, every work place has a culture, these effect our opinions. Your profession is very PRO vaccination, that's going to effect how you think about it. Does this mean I think you're less open to other beliefs/ideas about vaccination... yep. You can get all offended if you like, but at the same time can you say it's not true?

    Unfortunately, the fact you've jumped on this and got offended at an honest admission, rather than looking at the WHOLE post and addressing those issues only goes to prove a point. Again, the concerns about process have been ignored, and the attitudes of some medical professionals (I never said all - we were specifically talking about the attitudes that lead women to feel birth trauma - do all women feel birth trauma? no), who are more concerned about things being done their way then listening to their patients. Did I say this about you? No. Only the last sentence about bias was addressed to you personally.

    Perhaps it might help to remember that when someone says they think something, it doesn't automatically mean they don't also believe in the opposite, or that ALL things are that way.

    I'm not anti-doctor or medical profession, I'm anti-we think we know it all. There are plenty of good health professionals out there, that don't fob people off, they don't take questions as personal insults, that ask for permission, but likewise there are plenty of the opposite as well.

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    It is hardly a debate if you refuse to listen to anyone who disagrees and that is when, I believe, it becomes dangerous.
    It's funny you say that, because this is exactly the vibe I get from both you and Rockin - more the latter. By not properly addressing concerns, and being too quick to try and "correct" anything not agreed with, with single line explanations, and being quick to get personally offended stops it being a discussion.

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    PZ and Keike - sorry, yes you are right, it is also about power. But I do think that there is undeniably also sexual gratification there as well (sorry, this is getting wayyy off topic). I guess I'm just saying that I see a huge difference between the standard definition of rape, and a doctor who is delivering a baby in a medical environment (albeit he maybe too forceful, not listening to his patient etc etc). I know that the term is widely used but to me it just doesn't sit right. Again, no disrespect at all to those who have experienced birthing trauma, just like the people who use the term mean no disrespect to those who have experienced the more conventional definition of the word.