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    I mostly agree with Audax and entreat about heavy metals being all around us. The difference with vaccines is that they go directly into the body, bypassing the first lines of defence provided by our skin and stomach.

    It's a matter of weighing up the risks & benefits and deciding what you are comfortable with for your child. A book I found useful is "The Vaccine Book" by Dr Robert Sears. He tells you about both the disease and the vaccine and lists the ingredients of each vaccine. I've been using it to determine our own vaccine schedule.

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    Interesting thread. We've vaxed DS - he's getting his 6 months next week. Our thoughts are the same as Audax's. I worry about it, but do it anyway because I think it is right for us (weighing up the risks etc) and right for society.

    I've posted this elsewhere but received no response, can someone tell me the rational behind delaying the 1 year vax until 2 years of age. I understand that people do this, but I cannot find out why - or to put it more precisely, I can't find anything to read that tells me why.

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    I've posted this elsewhere but received no response, can someone tell me the rational behind delaying the 1 year vax until 2 years of age. I understand that people do this, but I cannot find out why - or to put it more precisely, I can't find anything to read that tells me why.
    I'm not entirely sure, but I read somewhere that the blood-brain barrier isn't fully developed until 2 years.

    ETA - Scrap that. Just found this on wikipedia Blood-brain barrier

    Originally, experiments in the 1920s showed that the blood–brain barrier (BBB) was still immature in newborns. The reason for this fallacy was a mistake in methodology (the osmotic pressure was too high and the delicate embryonal capillary vessels were partially damaged). It was later shown in experiments with a reduced volume of the injected liquids that the markers under investigation could not pass the BBB. It was reported that those natural substances such as albumin, α-1-fetoprotein or transferrin with elevated plasma concentration in the newborn could not be detected extracellular in the brain. The efflux-transporter P-glycoprotein exists already in the embryonal endothelium.

    The measurement of brain uptake of acetamide, antipyrine, benzyl alcohol, butanol, caffeine, cytosine, diphenyl hydantoin, ethanol, ethylene glycol, heroin, mannitol, methanol, phenobarbital, propylene glycol, thiourea, and urea in ether-anesthetized newborn vs. adult rabbits shows that newborn rabbit and adult rat brain endothelia are functionally similar with respect to lipid-mediated permeability. These data confirmed no differences in permeability could be detected between newborn and adult BBB capillaries. No difference in brain uptake of glucose, amino acids, organic acids, purines, nucleosides, or choline was observed between adult and newborn rabbits. These experiments indicate that the newborn BBB has restrictive properties similar to the adult. In contrast to suggestions of an immature barrier in young animals, these studies indicate that a sophisticated, selective BBB is operative at birth.

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    Thanks!

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    I've never heard of the blood brain barrier thing, is that a common health myth that's going around?

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    Its not a myth, its on Wikipedia!!!

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    and according to the wise wikipedia man (or woman), it does sound like a theory that has been debunked

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    Its not a myth, its on Wikipedia!!!
    Just to clarify; TC's Wikipedia quote says the early research was wrong and that babies are born with a fully functional blood brain barrier...

    Wikipedia is pretty cool charlotte, my uni course is full of pretty technical medical stuff, I use Wiki a lot (at lot a lot!) and I get really good marks when I put my mind to it. I've never come across a dodgy entry and I prefer to use it over the thousands of dollars of medical textbooks in the house. Though I wouldn't admit any of this to my lecturers...
    I used to be very cautious about using it but I've owned textbooks that are not as concise or accurate.