Now PVC2 has also been found in Rotavirus Vaccine

[RockinSAHD]

Merck News Item

In other words, they have no intention of removing the vaccine from the market, and are quite happy to continue to vaccinate children with it because it causes no KNOWN (caveat - at this time) disease in humans. How about the KNOWN disease it causes in pigs?

In pigs - Porcine circovirus type 2 (PCV2) is considered by most to be the etiologic agent of postweaning multisystemic wasting syndrome (PMWS) (aka pig AIDS), but it is also found in association with numerous other conditions. These conditions include porcine dermatitis and nephropathy syndrome (PDNS), porcine respiratory disease complex (PRDC) (aka pig pneumonia and asthma), congenital tremors (CT) type AII (aka pig Parkinson's), reproductive failure and enteritis.

In the interests of being contrary....

PVC2 has never been known to cause disease in humans and it is commonly found in humans. The news report said that fragments had been found in very small amounts. Fragments, not the whole virus, not the active virus and not even in significant amounts (it takes a reasonable amount of a virus to infect a person).

Not that I'm saying its right, just putting things into perspective.

The rather nasty experiment linked by Yeddi is mostly about PRRSV, and the PVC2 pigs fared only slightly worse than the controls.

[Yeddi]

You're kidding, right?

[RockinSAHD]

You're kidding, right?

No, sorry I'm not. The study you linked showed the pigs only slightly worse off than the controls, these were newborn piglets who were injected with a large amount of the (whole) virus and showed none of the nasty symptoms you quoted and its a pig-disease!

"In pigs - Porcine circovirus type 2 (PCV2) is considered by most to be the etiologic agent of postweaning multisystemic wasting syndrome (PMWS) (aka pig AIDS), but it is also found in association with numerous other conditions. These conditions include porcine dermatitis and nephropathy syndrome (PDNS), porcine respiratory disease complex (PRDC) (aka pig pneumonia and asthma), congenital tremors (CT) type AII (aka pig Parkinson's), reproductive failure and enteritis."

[Yeddi]

Okay, so apparently a vaccines contaminated with foreign DNA particles from deadly animal viruses is perfectly fine and justifiable? Read that sentence again and tell me that doesn't sound insane.

Regardless, people have the right to know these things, and have ALL their concerns properly investigated and considered, not fobbed off as not being a problem. There would be a lot of people out there that would think this is a problem. I am not interested in making this another Anti/Pro vaccine argument thread, or delving into excuses for this inexcusable contamination.

[turtleschell]

Imagine how the Muslim families feel about having their child exposed to a pig virus. Repulsed. Violated. Permanently unclean.

[Yeddi]

Jewish communities wouldn't be fans either.

[RockinSAHD]

Okay, so apparently a vaccines contaminated with foreign DNA particles from deadly animal viruses is perfectly fine and justifiable? Read that sentence again and tell me that doesn't sound insane.

Well, try this one: Vaccine contaminated with very small amounts of DNA fragments from a benign virus that infects only pigs.... Justifiable, no, but cause for further testing and research.

[Yeddi]

Justifiable, no, but cause for further testing and research.

...Research that they are very unlikely to do because they've already claimed it as safe, and unless something makes them (like people not taking it up, or suddenly people start getting very sick and they can't somehow find a way to refute it as just being just coincidence) they most probably wont ever do any.

Have you ever watched Fight Club?

A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

Similar sentiment really...

[RockinSAHD]

LOL!! I would definitely end up with coffee on my head! Every time!

...Research that they are very unlikely to do because they've already claimed it as safe, and unless something makes them (like people not taking it up, or suddenly people start getting very sick and they can't somehow find a way to refute it as just being just coincidence) they most probably wont ever do any.

Sort of. To put things in perspective, there are virus fragments everywhere, through everything we do every day, covering us, inside our bodies, everywhere. There are probably billions of kinds of living viruses and bacteria that we've not named yet because they're not important to us and they live on and around us (and sometimes inside our bodies). We only isolate them and test for them when they become important for us because we need them or because they hurt us. There is just no way that we could catalogue them all and really no reason to unless they help us or make us sick.

[lozzy_mac]

I'd like to back up RockinSAHD
only full virus is infectious, fragments of DNA are absolutely meaningless. It's like saying "human flesh was found in the milk" when what you detected was half a skin cell! (actually, half a skin cell has the potential to be far more dangerous to health than a DNA fragment!)
Tests are so sensitive and when reported and interpreted in the wrong way can amount to misinformation.
And of course you wouldn't do it on purpose without research, but the only possible health outcome of having virus fragments in a VACCINE is that you would accidentally boost someone's immunity to that virus!

[Yeddi]

And what research are you basing this on? I'd like to see it.