Now PVC2 has also been found in Rotavirus Vaccine

[RockinSAHD]

You're kidding, right?

No, sorry I'm not. The study you linked showed the pigs only slightly worse off than the controls, these were newborn piglets who were injected with a large amount of the (whole) virus and showed none of the nasty symptoms you quoted and its a pig-disease!

"In pigs - Porcine circovirus type 2 (PCV2) is considered by most to be the etiologic agent of postweaning multisystemic wasting syndrome (PMWS) (aka pig AIDS), but it is also found in association with numerous other conditions. These conditions include porcine dermatitis and nephropathy syndrome (PDNS), porcine respiratory disease complex (PRDC) (aka pig pneumonia and asthma), congenital tremors (CT) type AII (aka pig Parkinson's), reproductive failure and enteritis."

[Yeddi]

Okay, so apparently a vaccines contaminated with foreign DNA particles from deadly animal viruses is perfectly fine and justifiable? Read that sentence again and tell me that doesn't sound insane.

Regardless, people have the right to know these things, and have ALL their concerns properly investigated and considered, not fobbed off as not being a problem. There would be a lot of people out there that would think this is a problem. I am not interested in making this another Anti/Pro vaccine argument thread, or delving into excuses for this inexcusable contamination.

[turtleschell]

Imagine how the Muslim families feel about having their child exposed to a pig virus. Repulsed. Violated. Permanently unclean.

[Yeddi]

Jewish communities wouldn't be fans either.

[RockinSAHD]

Okay, so apparently a vaccines contaminated with foreign DNA particles from deadly animal viruses is perfectly fine and justifiable? Read that sentence again and tell me that doesn't sound insane.

Well, try this one: Vaccine contaminated with very small amounts of DNA fragments from a benign virus that infects only pigs.... Justifiable, no, but cause for further testing and research.

[Yeddi]

Justifiable, no, but cause for further testing and research.

...Research that they are very unlikely to do because they've already claimed it as safe, and unless something makes them (like people not taking it up, or suddenly people start getting very sick and they can't somehow find a way to refute it as just being just coincidence) they most probably wont ever do any.

Have you ever watched Fight Club?

A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

Similar sentiment really...

[RockinSAHD]

LOL!! I would definitely end up with coffee on my head! Every time!

...Research that they are very unlikely to do because they've already claimed it as safe, and unless something makes them (like people not taking it up, or suddenly people start getting very sick and they can't somehow find a way to refute it as just being just coincidence) they most probably wont ever do any.

Sort of. To put things in perspective, there are virus fragments everywhere, through everything we do every day, covering us, inside our bodies, everywhere. There are probably billions of kinds of living viruses and bacteria that we've not named yet because they're not important to us and they live on and around us (and sometimes inside our bodies). We only isolate them and test for them when they become important for us because we need them or because they hurt us. There is just no way that we could catalogue them all and really no reason to unless they help us or make us sick.

[Yeddi]

Hmm... that is a point, and this vaccines does have one saving grace is that it is oral. If it was injected I think that would be a differently kettle of fish. At least this one has to be processed by the gut. Then again, it raises questions regarding gut flora, and what effect it might have if there is a yeast imbalance, as yeast overgrowth can effect the ability to envelope bacteria and viruses. There also has been recent studies in Japan and China that show that DNA particles can fuse together with the membranes of our body cell membranes, continuously destroying cells once introduced into the body. Once they interact with the body’s cellular structure, they cannot be removed.

Tell me Rockin, what difference would it make to come into contact with virus particles through normal environmental means verses being exposed to it via vaccine with adjuvants? Yes, that is a loaded question...

[RockinSAHD]

There also has been recent studies in Japan and China that show that DNA particles can fuse together with the membranes of our body cell membranes, continuously destroying cells once introduced into the body. Once they interact with the body’s cellular structure, they cannot be removed.
Tell me Rockin, what difference would it make to come into contact with virus particles through normal environmental means verses being exposed to it via vaccine with adjuvants? Yes, that is a loaded question...

Hmmm, there are DNA particles all through our bodies, our own DNA and foregin DNA. I'm sure the tiny amount from a vaccine would be mopped up pretty fast and I didn't know that our own DNA could go rouge and become dangerous, but I learn new things every day.

Are you going to tell me what would happen with vaccine+adjuvant? Or just leave me hanging on?