Thanks everyone. I posted a few days ago but see now that my post went off somewhere into cyberspace instead of right her where it should be. I have been working on the late evening routine and so far it is working. I think its a little hard for DH not to be excited and playful with her when he gets home at 7pm as he hasnt seen her all day but i think he would rather the quiet time together then to rock her for an hour. I have been sitting in her room with her until she is settled or almost asleep. Yes she does the whingy get me out of the cot cry but the whole time she is looking at me and eventually her head gets to heavy to keep up, she puts it down and drifts off. When i think about it, she kinda has established her own little routine in the day. I have been thinking of joining a local playgroup recently but the times they are held are when DD is normally down for a nap. Can i change this? for one day a week? Will she get use to it? I just imagine going and her being cranky the whole time coz its really her nap time. Oh im also going to take the advice given to give her a short 45 nap if she happens to want one after 4pm... just to get her through to 7 or 7:30pm. Books are great for advice but i think i forget that not everything that i read is 100 %...its so hard when u dont know any better though!! Thanks again!!