Uh oh! I think we 'broke' our baby...

[sloane]

well, as you know i am certainly no expert on how to have a good sleeper but...we gave corey a pillow a couple of months ago because he kept stealing ours & always put his head on one if he was on our bed, itms? we got a cot pillow that said from 12 months & he likes it. he moves it around to where he wants it & it seems to help as another sleep cue - we can say 'put your head on your pillow, time for sleep' and he knows what we mean.

i've also noticed some big changes in the last couple of weeks with his attitude towards sleep - he's on a mattress on the floor & now he doesn't cry for us when he wakes up but he'll either call out 'mum' or he'll get up & come looking for us. i have to say that it's given me the biggest fright to wake up to this little person standing by the bed yelling 'MUM' but apart from that, i feel like he's pretty happy with the small increase in freedom.

we're still using a sleeping bag but he's in one for up to 36months & he really doesn't re-settle as well without it - but blankets could be worth a try?

what about his bedtime? do you think maybe a slightly later (or earlier) bedtime could work?

[Miss E]

Thanks hun, where did you get the pillow from? I looked in a few places yesterday and couldn't find any cot pillows. Maybe I should take the side off the cot and see how he goes... We're a little bit worried about him getting in and out, especially because we have lots of stairs, but then I do still have the AngelCare monitor on, so we'd know right away when he got up!

Not too sure about the whole bedtime thing, it feels like there is never a right time iykwim? His tired signs used to be so obvious and when I'd put him down he'd be asleep within 10 mins. Now he can be in bed, yawning and rubbing his eyes and still not go to sleep. Because it's taking so long to get him to sleep his nap is getting later and later which has meant that bedtime is too... He's always had a tired period at around 9.30am so I'm wondering if giving him a nap earlier in the day might help... Ah who knows, it doesn't matter how long you do this parenting stuff, there's always a new challenge that leaves you feeling like a complete novice

[sloane]

we got it from baby bunting - it's a nice flat one. there's one not too far from you, isn't there?

we still get the morning tired period as well - down to one nap but sometimes he down for it by 9.30. can make for a long afternoon

[Rowellen]

I find with my DS, if he hasn't been outside to play, he takes longer to go to sleep. He's such a high energy boy too so it's difficult to tell his tired signs. We mostly go by time. If he's been outside running around or at the park, he's asleep within minutes of going into his cot. If he's been sitting around watching TV or in the trolley while I'm shopping, he takes a lot longer, often close to an hour.

My DS loves having a pillow so it could be time for that. We've recently taken the side off his cot so he can climb in himself (we have a safety rail and there is a small gap he can climb through at the foot of the cot). He loves it and will climb in happily. My DS is a little older than yours though.

Is he screaming in distress or just having a little sook? Since he was in the same room as you on your trip, he's probably used to having you there so maybe a slow introduction to being alone again will help. Try leaving the room when he's almost asleep and gradually make it earlier. I found with my DS, he actually went to sleep quicker when we started leaving the room. Sometimes he'd cry out and I'd go back in and let him know I was nearby and he'd lie down again. If we stayed in there, he'd lie there watching us and wouldn't close his eyes. It was like a game for him.

Maybe the sleeping bag is restricting him? Have you tried PJ's?

Good luck.

ETA: We got DS's cot pillow from Ikea.

[Miss E]

Sloane, I was going to go to Baby Bunting, but thought i would try elsewhere, I think I'll be making a trip over tomorrow. I also think I'll try an early nap tomorrow, I've always tried to stretch him till around 11.30am, but maybe one early in the day will work better... fingers crossed anyways...

Thanks Rowellen, I'm definately going to give the pillow a try, then maybe try taking the side off the cot if I get really desperate. Our cot is an oval shape, so I'm pretty sure he wouldn't fall out cos when the side comes out there isn't that much space if that makes sense. After a few days of being back we did try to see what would happen if we just left him like you said. The minute he realised we were gone he'd start screaming. It's funny, cos he doesn't cry, he more yells iykwim? when I go in he doesn't have tears, he just lays right down as if to say 'Im ready to go to sleep' but if I leave again he's up and screaming and it will go on for hours with us going in and out. I feel awful saying it, but the day after we did that he lost his voice, made me feel like such a mean mummy!

[Rowellen]

You're not a mean mummy! Maybe he just needs you there for a while. Once his routine is re-established, it might get easier. As you said, you were gone for a month, completely changed everything he knew and he's grown up a lot in that time. It must be very frustrating for you, but I think, if you work with his needs, encourage him and keep reassuring him, he'll eventually learn that you are still there for him even if you're not in the room ITMS?

[Miss E]

You're not a mean mummy! Maybe he just needs you there for a while. Once his routine is re-established, it might get easier. As you said, you were gone for a month, completely changed everything he knew and he's grown up a lot in that time. It must be very frustrating for you, but I think, if you work with his needs, encourage him and keep reassuring him, he'll eventually learn that you are still there for him even if you're not in the room ITMS?

That's what I'm hoping, fingers crossed.

[MamaPan]

Hi Babe
In a bit of a rush so can’t write too much but will try to pop back later if I can.
Well, I am also not the best person re sleep as both my boys have been shockers (that said J slept thru last night and sun night, the only times ever so far). J’s sleep is improving a lot now…
I do think this is partly an age thing, I have noticed chgs over time with J and at the moment I think they are developing so much they know they are tired but they are also really aware that they are ‘missing out’ when they are asleep. I make sure J knows we will all be going to bed soon (at night)… in case that helps (they understand so much)
J has a pillow and LOVES it. It is a Sheridan kids one and is v small and flat. Ikea also have good kids ones for the cot. He is also in a sleeping bag but I use a v light cot quilt – we sometimes pull it over him (even w the bag, we use the merino ones) and sometimes it is just there at the bottom of his cot. He seems to find it comforting. And recently we got him a little toy tyo cuddle, which he likes (but this is prob more bc his older bro has toys in his bed!).
I often sit with him while he sleeps, but I tell him I will leave if he plays/gets up. Sometimes I have to leave na dhe gets upset but then I go back in and he is more likely to sleep. I sometimes give him some water at night. Generally I ask him what he wants… but tell him it is still sleep time.
We went oseas for a couple of weeks and it took about a week for him to settle at home again – it also coincided w going back to crèche after3 weeks with us – all the adjustment messed with him for a week or so…
I hate to say this, but I have just weaned in the last week – and this has helped night waking (or it is a coincidence)
Hope that rambling helps… (my main thoughts is it is an age thing and the disruption from travel…)
ps in reading back - guess i did have time for a full reply LOL

[~Raven~]

It took a couple of months for our DD to go back to self settling after a 10 day holiday where she shared our bed. What did it for us was getting her out of the cot and into a bed. I settled her in the bed and often stayed till she was asleep, then left.

[Miss E]

Thanks Mama Pan, glad to hear J is sleeping much better! Ash has also just gone back to creche this week, and DH has only gone back to work this week, so I think all of that is coming into play as well...

Do you use the Merino Kids sleeping bags? Thats what we've got, but I'm starting to think the 0-2 years ones are a bit small. Is J in the 2-4yrs ones yet? I'm thinking I'll invest in the bigger size and hope that that helps, mind you I don't really want to spend all those $$$ only to find he doesn't like sleeping bags anymore...

It's interesting you say that the weaning has helped too. I've been thinking for awhile I'd like to wean soon. At the moment he just has a feed before bed at night and one in the morning when he wakes up (mind you of late this has slipped back to about 4.30am when I give up and bring him to bed with us). But I do find sometimes when he wakes at night he is demanding a BF and I have to get DH to come in and settle him... I was actually thinking yesterday that maybe I would try dropping his bedtime feed, cos at the moment he's not really seeing it as a sleep cue iykwim?