I would say no. First was c/s so can't include, but Oskar was 5p 12 and Elijah was 8p 8 so quite a difference and I'd say nope. Both were drug free but with Elijah I had no intervention and he was born totally natural but with Oskar he was vacuum assisted and I think it shocked my body more and whilst he was actually being born and I was pushing and they were vacuuming, I remember my breath being taken away. Elijah I got to experience the ol' ring of fire lol and I'd say that was the bit which hurt the most, that I remember but it was a pain as such but a burning.