LOL Alan it's okay I happily welcome any other comments or wake-ups LOL! There was a point one of the speakers made at the National Doula conference, in regards to the cons of having waters broken, and she mentioned that if you already have a baby with a tight cord around the neck, then it could make it worse. I know it is very common for the cord to be there anyway. I'd better re-read my posts LOL I think this 42C heat is going to my head I guess she was wrong then because what you say makes more sense to me! 8-[ :-k