I just wanted to add that when I had Lily, the doctor said that he was truely amazed that I did it without an epidural, because her shoulders got stuck and my pelvis was a bit too small. Over the last week i can now start to remember what the pain really felt like. I seriously cannot believe i did it, but if you put your mind to it and just concentrate on what you're doing, I think that you can get through anything. Just remember that girls!