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thread: Boob politics.... Mia Freedman article. A must-read.

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  1. #1
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    I agree with the stuff about FB - but the rest of it I really dislike. I am a member of ABA and go to meetings regularly - several of our counselors have used formula in conjunction with BF, and suggesting that the ABA as an organisation thinks of formula as the 'f' word is just ridiculous, they want to support people to breastfeed whether or not they are also using formula. This idea that you have to fit in one camp or the other is silly and does no one any favors and I don't know where these 'lactivists' that think formula is a dirty word, or the 'Breastapo' and 'Breastfeeding Ayatollahs' that I have seen used in media recently, hang out but I certainly haven't met any.

    If the person in the article means the ABA - at least get their name right. The Baby Friendly Hospital Iniative that I assume is what she is being referred to is not an ABA thing either is a WHO thing

    "About BFHI -
    Giving babies the best start in life

    The Baby Friendly Health Initiative (BFHI) was developed jointly by the World Health Organisation and UNICEF in 1991. The initiative is a global effort for improving infant health by supporting mothers to breastfeed their babies. "

    So she could have at least got that right or given a link to what the BFHI is about.

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    Well, it is the Breastfeeding Association - not the formula feeding association - what do people expect from them??? My Aunt-inlaw was livid that her DIL could not get formula feeding advice from the ABA, once again what did she expect.

    Poor form really to bag the Breastfeeding Association (sorry can't tell if she was referring to the actual ABA). If the hosptial does not want to become a breastfeeding friendly hospital, then don't. If the midwives don't support it, then say so. Acting all sheepish about it helps no-one and just undermines the whole process. Really, it is just two signatures, why make an issue if it?
    Um yeah I agree. I dislike the notion that there is no support for FF mothers. An no, this is not an us vs them post. But really. You have medical professionals pushing and recommending formula left right and centre, isles of it in supermarkets, chemists and servos, mass media depicting formula as the total norm. I've always said this and I'll say it again. There should be some sort of group akin to the ABA for formula feeding, a group that provides correct, accurate and up to date information about formula feeding practices and guidelines where parents can get their questions answered reliably and without judgement. Absolutely, that should exist. But not from the ABA, the Australian *Breastfeeding* Association. That's just my two bob. I don't really like the article myself, it's really just an old (and pretty safe) sentiment being rehashed a little.

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    I have several friends who really wanted to BF (so they said) but were never sat down and explained about the mechanics of BF (and sadly didn't research themselves) and didn't understand that replacing a BF with a FF was not going to help build their supply and capacity to feed they often lamented that they "couldn't bf" when in reality, they weren't supported to establish and maintain BF and were probably completely capable of BF if armed with knowledge and support! To me, the hospital that doesn't just hand out formula is doing the right thing... if you WANT to FF! I have absolutely NO problem with that (and those mums should have full access to formula), but if you really WANT to BF, then not offering formula (at all) is (IMO) part of the support new mums need.
    Ditto this absolutely! My SIL had this happen with her first baby. Nipple confusion and a drop in supply followed and by 6w they were done BF, the positive that came was the lecture i got when preg for the first time and her conviction to source info and continue BF her second time round.

    I don't always see eye to eye with the ABA, but information is the absolute key, the pros and cons of all advice and options (I think that links in with MadB's thread from last week about how mothers need all information not to have it witheld in case it hurts someone feelings)

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    Ooops

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    Lactivist here. And proud of it!

    I love that hospitals are going baby friendly.

    And I feel it's a MW job to double check if ff is the right choice.

    Or should we go back to the days where the dr is always right ?????

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    Well, it is the Breastfeeding Association - not the formula feeding association - what do people expect from them??? My Aunt-inlaw was livid that her DIL could not get formula feeding advice from the ABA, once again what did she expect.

    it?

    I love it

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    i also question the story, and many of the details, in the article.

    My friend's baby was four weeks premature, had lost some weight and was a little jaundiced. Nothing serious but still anxiety-inducing for a vulnerable new mother mainlining hormones and sleep deprivation. Before I arrived, the paediatrition had instructed my friend to give her son a top-up with formula "even if it's just for 24 hours until your milk comes in". She cried.
    I find it sad that formula is being 'instructed' to be given to a baby because a mother is anxious. The risks and benefits should be described at this point, and the woman whether she consents for formula to be given.

    When the midwife finally brought the formula - maybe 100ml - to my friend's room,
    A newborn baby has a tiny stomach, 100ml is a huge amount for a 'top-up' and is going to reduce a baby's desire to feed (which helps establish breastfeeding).

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    I have so much to say I'm almost bursting, but I'm not going to say it all, just touch on the surface.

    I just want to refer to the bit about the paed saying she should top up for the first 24 hours until her milk came in.

    OK, firstly all babies lose weight after birth. If not all, vast majority.

    Secondly, her milk might not come in after 24 hours and her baby may lose more weight before it starts gaining.

    Topping up with formula starves the breasts from being given the message from the hungry baby to produce milk asap. It would possibly further delay milk production.

    If the hospital really cared they should sit with this distraught new mother and help her understand.

    That's what's missing in all this talk about breastfeeding. Yes, we get the message breast is best but we are crippled by ignorance and uncertainty, and then the damn medical professionals like this paediatrician give damaging advice and this poor woman (and so so many women like her) doesn't stand a chance.


    Edit: I want to add that with both my babies my milk didn't come in until day 5, when I was home from hospital. My dd lost more weight than the supposed acceptable amount, but she was my 2nd baby and I knew this time so I didn't pay it any attention. I didn't know the first time and all that damned advice from professionals ruined everything.
    Last edited by SunnyRain; February 26th, 2012 at 09:00 PM.

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    I have so much to say I'm almost bursting, but I'm not going to say it all, just touch on the surface.

    I just want to refer to the bit about the paed saying she should top up for the first 24 hours until her milk came in.

    OK, firstly all babies lose weight after birth. If not all, vast majority.

    Secondly, her milk might not come in after 24 hours and her baby may lose more weight before it starts gaining.

    Topping up with formula starves the breasts from being given the message from the hungry baby to produce milk asap. It would possibly further delay milk production.

    If the hospital really cared they should sit with this distraught new mother and help her understand.

    That's what's missing in all this talk about breastfeeding. Yes, we get the message breast is best but we are crippled by ignorance and uncertainty, and then the damn medical professionals like this paediatrician give damaging advice and this poor woman (and so so many women like her) doesn't stand a chance.


    Edit: I want to add that with both my babies my milk didn't come in until day 5, when I was home from hospital. My dd lost more weight than the supposed acceptable amount, but she was my 2nd baby and I knew this time so I didn't pay it any attention. I didn't know the first time and all that damned advice from professionals ruined everything.
    Well said.
    I personally have a condition which impairs lactation, and will probably never exclusively BF my children. This time Im expressing and freezing, so I have some stores this time, and wont end up with a sick bubba again.
    I wasnt offered formula in hospital until DD had lost 15% of her body weight, and I still didnt even have colostrum, let alone any milk (we were in 2 weeks, colostrum came day 7, milk day 10, but Ive always had low supply). I think if I hadnt have had as much support (and been stubborn) that Id have switched at birth.
    This time I have loads of support, and have contacted the ABA (who Ive found very supportive of mixed feeding) and Im havent bought any formula, as Im trying to exclusively BF (though I will of course if bub loses a serious amount of weight or is FTT)

  10. #10
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    This probably won't be a surprise to many, but other than the bit about fb I really don't agree with the article. I think when Mia refers to "breast feeding association" she's a little confused, she seems to be using it interchangeably about at least 2 organisations. And the ABA that she might be referring to at times is not anti-formula. It's pro-mums and pro-families, and yes, pro-breastfeeding. They support ff mums also - they offer all sorts of support but not specific information about formula brands or amounts as this is the job of health professionals and counsellors are not trained in it.

    I have had a child fed formula in hospital without my consent or knowledge. Totally un-necessarily. I have also successfully bf a baby who was unable to attach for the first 3 weeks without a nipple shield, and I'm very grateful that i had midwives try to help me with bfing instead of giving him formula. I wonder if the mum Mia refers to in the article, or Mia, are actually aware that breastmilk is the best thing for jaundice, and that sadly many doctors are not even aware of that fact. I wonder if that would change Mia's view. I have come across a number of mums who are distraught that they are no longer able to bf because they've been given bad information and no support to keep bfing. Many of these mums are grateful that there is a "breast feeding association" who can help mums to continue feeding if they want to, or just to listen to them when they need to talk.

    Being pro anything does not make you anti something else. The fact that a group of volunteers devoting their time to help other mums can cause such negative feelings really astounds me. The fact that midwives, or any other health professionals, might want to give a mum and bub the best chance of bfing, something mums have been doing since the beginning of time and which many actually desperately want to do, is a good thing. The real problem is that too many do not know enough about bfing to support mums. Doctors with 4 hours of bfing training, child health nurses attending seminars and workshops run by formula companies, that is what is taking away mums' choices.
    So well put

    From my own experience, I could easily have been a woman who could 'not' breastfeed based on inadequate support and lack of accurate information. Despite a great birth, my milk didn't come in until day 6. That in itself is enough to shake a new mothers confidence. On top of that, DD had a few (at that time) undiagnosed jaw and spine issues, and over two or three days after birth, stopped attaching. So that was another blow. I started hand expressing onto a spoon for her. Because I had great support from my midwives, doula and BB, I knew that DD's tummy was so tiny that this would be enough for her. Then, I hand expressed into a cup, then finally got my hands on a pump and cup fed her for about two weeks. Each feed I'd try to attach her to the breast with zero success. This was extremely demoralising. But, with all my support behind me, I kept going. For a few days we used a bottle, and then at about two weeks old she attached with a nipple shield. I fed DD with zero issues with the nipple shield until 5 months, when she attached without it out of the blue one day. All through my BF journey so far, support and correct information is what got me through. My ability to breastfeed was never once undermined by somebody 'well meaningly' suggesting I try her on some formula. If my confidence was shaken, the ABA was just a phone call away, or a friend, or my doula. When I moved out from DH at 3 weeks PP, I struggled alone. When we broke up again a few months ago, my milk all but dried up. I am so grateful for the support and information I was provided with. I'm so glad I was never once told to top up, switch over or supplement based on misinformation. At 8 months, breastfeeding is going strong. I absolutely cannot attribute this solely to my own efforts. It's been a team effort the whole way, and my team never let me down.

  11. #11
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    Tara Moss has posted a rather brilliant (IMO) email she sent to Mia

    Firstly, congratulations on your ongoing role as one of the leading voices of women in Australia, and on your ability to bring important women’s issues into the public eye. I have read many of your articles published at Mamamia.com.au and in the weekend newspapers, and of course we have met and communicated numerous times over the years. Yesterday I came across your piece titled ‘Time to get a grasp on reality and stop making colossal boobs of ourselves over breast politics’ and I felt I should contact you to address some important issues.

    I am unaware of any ‘Breast Feeding Association’ that gives accreditation to hospitals, as mentioned in your article. There is a volunteer group called the Australian Breastfeeding Assoc that provides breastfeeding classes and a 24 hour hotline (1800 mum 2 mum) to help women with breastfeeding problems, with the phone lines manned - ‘womaned’ actually - by volunteers who have earned qualifications to help women struggling with breastfeeding related issues, milk supply, attachment problems, etc. They generously provide a free and helpful service but do not provide accreditation to hospitals. The Baby Friendly Health Initiative, or BFHI (previously named the Baby Friendly Hospital Initiative), developed by the World Health Organisation and UNICEF in 1991 and implemented in over 150 countries worldwide, does provide accreditation for hospitals globally. I think this may be the program you are referring to in your article, and as I am patron for BFHI in Australia I thought I should address some of the issues you raised.

    The Baby Friendly Health Initiative, and their ‘10 Steps To Successful Breastfeeding’ have been very successful in raising breastfeeding rates in countries with Baby Friendly accredited hospitals. To give one example, after only two years of BFHI implementation in China exclusive breastfeeding rates in that country doubled in rural areas and increased from 10 per cent to 47 per cent in urban areas. Currently, Australia’s exclusive breastfeeding rate at the medically recommended six month mark is 14% - less than half the world average. Governments around the world, medical professionals and organisations like WHO and UNICEF are actively trying to raise breastfeeding rates and in particular exclusive breastfeeding rates during the crucial first six months because of significant health implications for mothers and babies. The focus on exclusive feeding is due to a wealth of evidence showing health risks associated with formula feeding and mixed feeding. Beyond the long-term outcomes like higher rates of infection, disease and obesity associated with formula feeding, unlike breast milk suckled directly from the breast, formula is not sterile. Equally, bottles and teats are not sterile, and making these items medically sterile can be costly in hospitals, using specialised equipment, and parents can only ever have limited success in making them sterile at home. As human beings we are all imperfect, and as a result, the preparation of formula can be flawed and babies can and do get very sick. The latest research shows that an estimated 53 per cent of diarrhoea hospitalisations could be prevented each month by exclusive breastfeeding, breastfed babies have 15 per cent fewer doctor visits in the first six months, and in developing countries where sterilisation techniques are arguably poorest, use of bottles and formula cause an estimated 1.4 million deaths in children under five. These are some of the reasons why BFHI accredited hospitals aim only to introduce bottles to babies (including expressed breast milk in bottles) when medically necessary.

    Until such practices were widely banned, many hospitals gave out free packs of formula to new mothers, and had formula tins and formula advertisements displayed within maternity wards, where new mothers are most vulnerable. Unsurprisingly, this resulted in significantly lower breastfeeding rates and higher rates of formula use. (To give an example of how much sway advertising can have on a culture, formula is reportedly one of the top 3 consumer commodities and one of the top imports in the Philippines, where there is currently no ban on the advertising of formula for babies, and sales amount to nearly half a billion US dollars annually despite much of the country living in poverty.) It is for these reasons that formula is not displayed in BFHI accredited hospitals, however it can be readily accessed for medical reasons or if the mother wishes. The introduction of bottles is not taken lightly because of the increased health risks for babies and the potential hurdles it can create for mothers who wish to breastfeed, including ‘nipple confusion’ and attachment problems in newborns, and lowered milk supply in mothers. Breastfeeding is not always easy in the early days or weeks and the last thing we need is any hospital policy that makes it yet harder to breastfeed. For many of the same reasons, nipple substitutes, such as pacifiers, are not encouraged in BFHI accredited hospitals either. It is important to mention that although BFHI accredited hospitals have policies in place to support breastfeeding, they also have policies in place to support women who chose not to breastfeed or can’t breastfeed for medical reasons. That does not extend to actively promoting or displaying artificial nipples or breast milk substitutes. As you wrote in your article ‘formula was never displayed anywhere – it was hidden – and neither were bottles of ANY KIND EVER’. Indeed. Why should formula be displayed in maternity wards? We see aisles of it in supermarkets.


    You mentioned in your article that you have breastfed three children and you wrote your piece from the perspective of someone who has loved and hated breastfeeding. Amen. I am writing this as a mother of one who introduced my daughter to formula at only two days of age, on doctor’s recommendations, and fed her formula ‘top-ups’ for six weeks before breastfeeding exclusively. (After some hurdles at the start, we are still going strong with breastfeeding). I do not view my formula use as a personal failure or a source of guilt, and nor should anyone else.

    But more importantly, I am writing this not just as a mum, an individual, but as patron of the BFHI program, and in this volunteer role it is my job to pass on evidence-based information on this topic, quite beyond my very small sample size or personal anecdotes. It is because of decades of exhaustive research conducted around the world by scientists and health professionals that I can confidently say that the perceived injustice of an objectionable facial expression from a midwife, or the need for midwives to sign off on formula to feed a newborn, in the case of your friend’s experience, is a small inconvenience for a policy that provides significant improvement in health outcomes for babies and mums, eases the burden on our health system and in some cases even saves lives.

    BFHI hospital accreditation exists only to support the health and wellbeing of women and children, to reduce infections and to save lives. Guilt-trips and ‘breast politics’ have nothing to do with it. I encourage any expecting mother to chose a BFHI accredited hospital. I know I will.

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    Love tara's response. I thought that Mia's article was very poor and full of factual errors. Certainly women need to support each other but pretending that formula has no health risks and attacking 'lactavists' supports no one

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    Tara!

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    aah! Thank you Tara Moss! (standing ovation!)

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    Oh yeah, go Tara!


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    Great article. I don't often agree with MF but I do this time. Except for this bit:

    They're not dangerous weapons that must be hidden from vulnerable onlookers, half of whom have a pair of their own.
    It should be rephrased to "more than half" as there are plenty of men out there with a sizeable pair of boobs

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    Oh Tara Moss. Now that's a must read

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