Thank you everyone for your replies. I have eased off today on trying to push her to have top ups and today we've had none. I haven't even attempted pumping. Have just put her on the breast instead. She has a slightly raised temp today (DH & DS both have colds) so has been doing a lot of "comfort" nursing. We've spent alot of time in bed feeding as much as possible the last few days. As for solids, I'm just going with the flow and offering tastes from my own plate. Today she had pumpkin risotto. She's tasting well but not too fussed about taking much of it in yet.
We have an appointment with a paed on Friday and I had to get a wee sample from her today as they are testing for metabolism disorders. All in all, she's breastfeeding well yet not gaining weight. Her head circumference has slowed very slightly (dropped from 25 %ile to just under) and her length has remained on the 50th percentile. Her weight has flatlined from the 25 %ile and is off the bottom of the chart. She has been 4.8kg for over a month now at least.
I'm glad they're being thorough with testing. It must be worrying for you to see her weight gains drop off like that, I'm sure you are keen to know why. It sounds as though you are doing all the right things though, keep it up, you're a fantastic mummy Will be thinking of you guys xoxo
I haven't been on since you got home hun, but wanted to let you know I have been thinking of you.
There has been some great advice above and I can't really add more.
It is good to hear that they are doing all the checks to make sure there isn't something underlying, but the testing phase can be very difficult along with the waiting and wondering, will be keeping you both in my thoughts as you go through the next few weeks.
We had positive results with the urine analysis for DD when she was in hospital in January, and it was because with the girls the little bag covers such a large area, that the urine can wash against the skin, picking up any bacteria or anything residual, and give inconclusive of skewed resutls. In then end we ended up having a catheter inserted to get a true result and it came back clear.
You are doing a fabulous job, through a stressful and worrying time, and having followed such a difficult road with your DS. I am glad that you have BB where you can come to to seek the advice of many, to give you a mountain of ideas and support and different perspectives.
We had appt with paed today. She has gained 50g in a week - better than nothing I guess!
Paed wants us to see a dietician next week. So in the next few days I need to keep a record of her feeds and solids intake. He wants to get an idea of the calories she's taking in.
One thing I'm a bit wary about is that on one morning feed, he wants me to give her a bottle and express that feed off. He reckons that will give him an idea of how much milk she's taking in a feed therefore potentially having to add in some high calorie supplement.
Also, her head circumference has dropped off and he said he wants to get it ultrasounded. He thinks potentially there *may* be something wrong that just doesn't make her hungry. I also think he will go down the allergy path too.
Argh, so I'm not sure what to think. I don't know how to get more calories in her and sometimes I think it might just be easier to switch to formula so I can count the calories and see what she's getting.
How do I get more into her if she won't take anymore than what she does? I know my supply is good this time around (even if I have my moments of doubt) so what if there is some underlying issue? Gah! I was hoping this was going to be a much smoother breastfeeding relationship than I had with DS.
expressing off to see how much is going in doesn't make much sense - it's going to be less than she has.
I don't know how you can get her to have any more. Can you give it a couple more weeks and see - maybe she's on the upswing now?
Great that she has gained some weight this week It must be incredibly upsetting and frustrating to be in this position though. It sounds as though they are doing all the right things, and probably all you can do is be patient, and wait for test results. I'm sorry, I can't remember....do you have a good LC who can help guide you through all of this? Having someone really explain things to you can be very helpful.
As for the expressing in the morning idea, just a word of warning.........I was asked to do this with DS1. DISASTER. It really stuffed with my supply, and my confidence. I very quickly went back to the way we'd been doing things. There is every chance that this is nothing to do with your supply, the last thing you want to do is risk stuffing up your breastfeeding relationship. I guess it's something that might work for some people, but knowing what a fragile position you are in right now, it mightn't be the best idea.
Janie, that's exactly what I'm worried about. I suck at expressing. I can get about 20 mls and that's all, my boob still feels full after 20 minutes of expressing. Doesn't matter if it's in the morning, middle of the day or evening, I just can get it out with the pump, especially on my right side. But if I put DD on she'll drain one breast in about 10-15 minutes.
Hopefuly Barb will pop back to confirm that but I thought a better way to determine how much they are getting in a feed is to weigh them before a feed and then straight after a feed, obviously it is a grams measurement but definitely gives you a better idea then expressing.
I can also see how switching to formula is attractive cause you know exactly how much she is getting but I just wonder if that is all it will do that she won't actually get any more calories/mls in cause she just won't drink it ITMS?
Thanks kelebek. Yeah, I have chatted to Barb (thanks Barb! ). That does make sense about her still only drinking what she actually wants. It's all just so frustrating and I just have to remind myself that she's happy with what she's getting. Will see what the dietician thinks on Friday.
I've also been wondering if it would make a difference if I cut out dairy and/or wheat from my diet. Would that have any sort of impact on my milk quality and volume and her absorption of calories and nutrients?
At this age 50g is a very respectable weekly weightgain. You are getting there! Keep doing whatever it is that you are doing - it's working. I have PM'd you.
I know it's hard and frustrating - but what if you sacrifice breastfeeding and it's not that at all? she must be as close as heck to 6 mnths - you can get her stuck into real food, with calories! (forget stewed apples and baby rice) You are doing great. You could give the expressing a *go* (if it doesn't work out you don't need to tell anyone, but if you feel fuller in the morning it might work OK. Basically, the amount of milk expressed usually tells me how proficient a mum is at expressing, how stressed she is, how good her pump is and nothing at all about how much milk she can provide. I wonder how much the paed is *expecting* you to produce? I hope he knows that normally BF babies take 70mls per feed!
Thanks ladies Was just laying low a bit focussing on feeding (and trying not to stress!). We are actually going quite well now and back on track. We saw the dietician on Friday who basically gave me some supplements to give her at each feed - polyjoule and calogen. She also wanted me to increase solids to 3 times a day and include meat (for protein) and butter/oils/fats basically to up the calorie content of her meals. I did add the supplements to her meals over the weekend but it was just too fiddly to try and syringe it in her mouth and she wouldn't have a bar of it.
After that we saw the paed again who weighed her and she had put on 80grams in the week (woot!). The amount is questionable as he used digital scales the previous week and old school scales last week, but a gain is a gain so I wasn't complaining. He was happy with that and we don't have to go back unless she stops gaining weight.
On Monday, I went to my local CHN clinic and did the weigh, feed, weigh and it seems she is drinking around 90mls of milk from me. That really put my mind at ease about my supply. Plus she had gained 50 grams since Friday which was really good. On Tuesday, we saw the dietician again and let her know all the numbers and she was really happy with that. She said she would like to see a gain of 15grams a day roughly 100grams a week thereabouts just to keep her growing on a nice curve (damn those graphs!). She wants to follow up next month. If the weight is still not going on or stops then they will start looking into things like growth hormone deficiency, intolerances, etc, etc.
So we'll just keep an eye on things and keep doing what we're doing. The only thing that has changed now is since she's been having meat this week, her poops have become more formed, almost firm as in they can fall off the nappy into the toilet and just leave a stain on the nappy, they aren't as soft and wet as they used to be. She's keeping the same number of breastfeeds (around 10 per 24 hours) so is getting lots of fluids.
All in all I am feeling much better about the way things are going and more confident about my supply. Have to say thanks again to Barb whom I had a good chat with! And thanks to you all for helping me over this hurdle
Sounds like things are picking up! That's great news.
My little one has also been monitored for slow weight gains but is also doing well now. I found out that massage and sleep can both help bub gain weight. I'm not sure if either have been the cause of miss daisy increasing her weight, but massage is fun to do anyway, and when i can get her to sleep more, she is also happier. so its' kinda win win.
Interesting you say that Kate, my DS was a slow gainer in the first 3 months, but gained quicker between 3-6 months - I suspect because he finally started to get some sleep.
That's great news Eluned. Wow, you have been running all over the place these last weeks. I hope you can just take a break now and settle back into normal life.
The upside for all of the BB community is that you are know a fountain of knowledge and you can help the rest of us when/if we need it !
Thanks for letting us know, and I am really pleased that things are looking up.
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Will be thinking of you guys xoxo
for the weight gain!
It must be incredibly upsetting and frustrating to be in this position though. It sounds as though they are doing all the right things, and probably all you can do is be patient, and wait for test results. I'm sorry, I can't remember....do you have a good LC who can help guide you through all of this? Having someone really explain things to you can be very helpful.
yay for the gain.
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