GOVT's new parametres aroung CCR........means tested?

[MrsBexie]

Id say it if it was a man too! In fact i dont think that there is enough emphasis on families at all!!! There is no push for strong family values anymore, no support for them.
An i just dont like julia gillard at all. Sorry if I offended N2L!! Late night tired rant gettin my back up! Haha.



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[Bathsheba]

There is a very similar and interesting discussion HERE

[AnyDream]

Just seems like we pay all these taxes and for what?? Our roads are crap, most systems (health etc) are crap and under funded.. What is our money going to? Julia Gillard has no children and no grip on family life so of course she will scrimp in those areas because its not important to her.

Most roads are state-funded so complain to your state govt about that, the federal highway system is actually pretty fabulous (speaking as one who has driven most of them I actually think we get an awfully good bang for our taxation buck. I am a recent recipient of health care to the tune of many tens of thousands of dollars in the public system. Ok so yes it involved sitting a long time in some pretty boring waiting rooms, but I had state-of-the-art care by specialists who are the best in the game (and who other people pay many thousands of dollars to see privately) and it cost me? NOTHING. Compare this to the US where many people do not get the most basic cancer treatment because they have to argue for months with their insurance companies until finally they DIE, we've got it pretty damn good in this country.

[e_p]

Id say it if it was a man too! In fact i dont think that there is enough emphasis on families at all!!! There is no push for strong family values anymore, no support for them.
An i just dont like julia gillard at all. Sorry if I offended N2L!! Late night tired rant gettin my back up! Haha.

I think we're extremely lucky to live in a country that pays families ANYTHING to assist with the cost of raising children. We're PAID to have babies in Australia...FTB is paid to most families in Australia with children. We have a public health and education system. We have a welfare system that will support you if you become unemployed, or disabled. We have public transport in major cities and regional centres. John Howard overhauled the FTB system to provide an incentive for families to have a stay at home parent (FTB B). Pretty strong promotion of traditional family values if you ask me. Denying marriage equality for everyone, pretty strong promotion of 'strong' family values. Not MY family values, but traditional, heteronormative family values.

[MrsBexie]

HEalth care is a pick and choose... my dad has paid taxes ALL his life and yet the treatment needed to save his life is not paid for by the governmemt. SO I am glad that you got amazing specialists and thousands of $$ of help, but it is not the same for everyone. And I honestly don't mean that in a nasty way, I am actually genuinely glad that you got the care you needed. It just makes me sad they don't do it for everyone.

We do have it good in the country compared to other countries yes, I don't deny that. I love Australia...

[~mamaspice~]

Mrs bexie in response to your earlier comment about the ftb A & B amounts I stated not sounding righ to you, it's cause you have 1 child. If you had 2 like me you would get the amounts I stated.

[Bathsheba]

Eutra; I believe that according to your logic there is no grounds to complain about AnYTHING if you are an Australian resident... But I'm sure that's not what you mean... Surely you wouldn't have us be a silently accepting mob of sheep I also believe that compared to most countries Australians pay a much higher rate of tax... So if we are paying to maintain a service we have a right to complain if we feel that we aren't receiving a good return on money spent. Basically: you gotta compare apples with apples. Comparing our lifestyle with residents of others countries is like comparing apples with oranges and I respectfully believe that's flawed logic.

[MrsBexie]

Mrs bexie in response to your earlier comment about the ftb A & B amounts I stated not sounding righ to you, it's cause you have 1 child. If you had 2 like me you would get the amounts I stated.

Ahhh well that makes sense then! Lol.. Sorry!

Bath: agreed. We pay it so we can complain. Lol.


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[e_p]

Eutra; I believe that according to your logic there is no grounds to complain about AnYTHING if you are an Australian resident... But I'm sure that's not what you mean... Surely you wouldn't have us be a silently accepting mob of sheep I also believe that compared to most countries Australians pay a much higher rate of tax... So if we are paying to maintain a service we have a right to complain if we feel that we aren't receiving a good return on money spent. Basically: you gotta compare apples with apples. Comparing our lifestyle with residents of others countries is like comparing apples with oranges and I respectfully believe that's flawed logic.

That's not at all what I meant. Scandinavian countries pay significanly more tax than Australians and I think get a lot more bang for their buck. Free education, free university, free dental, orthodontic, child care (I think) etc etc. By all means, complain about proposed budget changes. I guess the bleeding heart lefty in me finds it a bit tough to empathise when the wealthy and privileged complain about their handouts reducing when I deal with people day in day out who live in absolute poverty (yes, families in the city living on less than $30,000 combined per annum) and work their bottoms off to get by and are grateful for everything they receive. I don't receive any cash handouts because I don't have kids, but I would happily forgo anything I might be entitled to when I do have them if it meant that there was going to be more funding for the homeless and the underprivileged. I'm not meaning to be inflammatory - at all. This is just my personal politics and my personal experience.