Reply With QuoteDo they physically also wrap the kids in cotton wool at this place
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No I think that was the problem! haha
Did the child observe the 3 second rule?
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Do they physically also wrap the kids in cotton wool at this place
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Ridiculous! I'm in Cairns and my kids love daycare for the aircon! If I found out they weren't using it to be more sustainable (given we've had days in the high 30s with high humidity) I would be really questioning their policy.
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How does get stuffed sound?
Do they make you wash the hands of the small children you bring in too??
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You are supposed to LS yes.
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Our kindy, the children attending have to wash their hands, but not the parents or the siblings. Something about reducing contaminants and other things, not sure what though.
Oh, and if hand sanitizer is bad for your health I am completely stuffed as I have been slathering my hands in the stuff for the past twelve years.
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I can feel a seriously worded letter coming on....
I will post back more tomorrow when i can get on a computer. This is actually ticking me off now!
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Netix was just thinking, I wonder how your kinder will police this? I certainly have better things to do with my time than hovering over every parent checking they've washed their hands on entry.
I wonder, where is the line drawn? Are people with questionable body odour or personal hygeine permitted to enter?
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lol!Did the child observe the 3 second rule?
We use sanitiser after toileting, but thats it. Though I will make DD use it before meals if theres no tap handy to wash
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Pity huh? I used the stuff for years too. But yes, it disrupts your gut flora which is essential to good health, and it contains toxins which are absorbed in your skin.
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Then every health worker is walking around with poor gut health as it is the primary method of hand cleaning in health care areas. Much better for your skin and more effective then hand washing alone.
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That is really incorrect. Hand sanitiser does not, should not, and was never intended to replace, proper and regular hand washing with hot water and soap. And anyone that suggests otherwise has been misled. You should have no more than 2 applications before washing your hands properly.
I would suggest that if you were *my* nurse and told me you believed hand sanitiser to be your "primary method of hand cleaning" I would tell you to find me a new nurse.
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Ummm, hand sanitizer can replace soap and water washing if your hands are not soiled with organic matter. So if I changed a nappy I would wash my hands, if I remade a bed gave a drug etc, then I use hand sanitizer. Maybe the phrase primary method was the wrong choice of words, but it is very very commonly used, much more then you probably think. The use of it was also brought in to reduce the amount of dermatitis that health workers develop on their hands from the very strong disinfectants in the soaps.
This site http://www.rch.org.au/washup/for_hea...ts_Techniques/ details when alcohol gel can be used instead of hand washing in a hospital setting.
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Funny you should say... I've had a validator roll out the 3 second rule. I nearly fainted, until she said she was joking.Did the child observe the 3 second rule?
Ausgirl - you'll be ok as long as you put procedures in place to encourage families to wash hands. Like the sign, and verbal prompting by your staff.
Back on topic - it really does work at stopping the spread of infection. Anecdotally, families I've observed who do it deal with a lot less illness. If you don't want to do it, then don't; they can't actually make you, but I don't think it's OTT at all, particularly for under 3s.
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Ausgirl; I have no idea how they will police this, however, I did "get away" not washing my hands when I went in on Tuesday or today. The kinder lady was standing guard at the door with her bottle of soap on Tuesday, and I just said, no, it's altogether impossible to wash hands while holding a baby, and I kept walking to the sign in book, pulled my own pen out of my pocket, and duly signed the book. Same in the afternoon. This morning, nobody said anything to me, the Mum who walked in directly after me made sure she washed her hands though, and her kids' hands.
There are no towels or hand dryers for the adults/other visitors to dry their hands with, thus nulifying any "germ-control".
I spoke to a gf of mine on Tuesday regarding this, and she happens to work in childcare, and as a distance trainer for childcare. She said this is common practice, and not necessarily about the control of nut allergens, but about basic hygiene; that for many children who come in (to the kinders and the other childcare centres), washing their hands upon arrival may be the first time they have washed their hands all day (and if the teachers aren't "on to it" after toileting, possibly the last). Also, for those who may have patted the cat/dog on the head as they walked out the door of home, smoked a cigarette, changed a nappy, etc. So, as you ask Ausgirl, would these "un-hygenic" children be allowed to enter?
I would use hand sanitiser if I "utterly had to" clean my hands upon entry to the kinder, as even though I have read it is evil, it is not something I use on a regular basis, and as something to use whilst carrying a child in one arm, is definitely preferential to washing hands. Especially in a sink that is child-height.
It just feels like this is a bit out there with the whole "not-allowed-to-blow-candles-out-on-the-communal-birthday-cake" issue which has just come up too.
And for what it's worth, on both Monday AND Tuesday, when I picked up my son from kinder, he had a blo ody nose. No one said anything on Monday, and only on Tueday, the Keeper of the Soap only just mentioned it in a "by-the-way" manner.....Really? I mean he had a faint smear of dried blood across his cheek. And it only warrants a "by the freeking way" ?
You know where you can stick that soap! Okay, rant over, I just think that is really, REALLY poor form. I can't even call it poor practice, because there was none!
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Wow, she actually stands at the door with the soap bottle
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LS in the health care setting as nurses we are encouraged to use alcohol based rub in preference to handwashing unless hands are visibly soiled. This is from the hospitals infection control service and is evidence based.
It probably does alter our gut and other bacterial flora, but so does being exposed to numerous different bacteria and viruses in higher densities than the general population.
Netix maybe you should give her some info about wet hands carrying bacteria and making it easier to transfer. Im sure a number of people would not be using an effective technique to reduce bacteria load and then spreading the germs over other surfaces with the aid of water to transport them. Really though its ridiculous in the first place IMO. Unless there are children with suppressed immune systems it should not be an issue, if they do have children whose immune system is that compromised then its likely they shouldnt be in a centre with so many other children anyway.
Kids will pick their nose, touch themselves, suck thumbs, sneeze without covering their mouth and wipe their snot on the back of their hands. There is a certain level of bacteria our immune system needs to come in contact with to work effectively.
This all frustrates me so much. Do the people making these decisions have any education in hygiene, infection control or immunology?
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