Cloth Nappies #148.

[The[cookie]Doctor]

Heheh I'm okay Maz, getting 'better' - how are you hon?
Look at Mateauz, he looks so grown up!

I will try and keep shuffling my butt in here more often. Has been a while

WOHB: Whizzkidz Nightz with ummm Maz-a-licious Sunny Bum

[Gigi]

big shout out to Raven and Fiona Jill - not much longer heh? You're both in my thoughts!


Today i found out bilby's Primary Caregiver (at childcare) has been putting bilby's USED flushable liners IN THE NAPPY BIN (with the sposies) instead of flushing them down the loo! i explained to her why you flush a flushable liner! and why it's a public safety issue (and council bye-law) that poo must go down the loo! sposies OR cloth.

She looked at me, like a lightbulb had just switched on.
She had nodded at me when we started there (three months ago) so i had just assumed - as you do - that she had been flushing them.

for anyone after cute xmas nappies, today i saw heaps of xmas print aio's on ozebabytrends, they were bubblebubs and cushie tushies (all aio's).

wish i had an excuse to buy a mandy mac night nappy, i wanna see one!!

[PinkPalace]

gigi - glad she finally had a lightbulb moment! lol Funny how many people dont know they arent supposed to throw poo in the bin.. and especially when you spend the extra $$ for flushables to do the right thing!

Looked at the xmas nappies how cute are they! i saw they also have happy heinys on special for $16!
But no more nappies here... have to deal with what i have for now

WOAB... i have no idea.. DH put something on there... i think Haute
WOEB... Sposie still

[Nettie]

Yay Mel. Congrats!



All the very best for the pregnancy... got all my bits crossed for you

Mmmm... nappy related: Manageed to talk a friend into going cloth for her next baby (due May)... gonna buy her some BumGenius & itti bittis.. Reckon the BG will do ok for Childcare? What do others use for CC?

WOHB: Rockmelon IB

[christy]

I use BumG's for childcare

[alioops]

I will be tackling CC on Monday, but only for Sarah, so they will only get 2 nappies, and plenty of undies and clothes

Well, FJ and Ness, and whoever else said that there is only 1 bubba - YOU WERE RIGHT. The Parasite's HB was 141. Oh, AND, I talked DH into letting my layby that change table!!! He liked it enough, and shook the thing as hard as he could to make sure it was stable!!! We also layby'd the travel system I wanted. Now I have to sell some prams coz the deal was that I would cull my pram collection.

I managed to get DH to squirt the nappies finally! So I have some in the machine!! But the wet is starting to arrive, so they aren't getting much sun.

WOTB: Sposies, but tonight they will be back in cloth!

[ohmygodimamum]

i didnt know chilcare centres allowed cloth nappies anymore? which is odd in itself coz hello what did they use before disposables?? mine doesnt, they have to be sent in a disposable and will only use disposables until they go home

[christy]

I haven't had anyone say no to cloth yet But I know some prefer you not use cloth. I just say I prefer not to use disposables.

[Olive]

i didnt know chilcare centres allowed cloth nappies anymore? which is odd in itself coz hello what did they use before disposables?? mine doesnt, they have to be sent in a disposable and will only use disposables until they go home

i have a feeling (GIGI might know) that they cant say no to using cloth!!!

[Arimeh]

i didnt know chilcare centres allowed cloth nappies anymore? which is odd in itself coz hello what did they use before disposables?? mine doesnt, they have to be sent in a disposable and will only use disposables until they go home

So far all four centres I have been with (yes we get around ) are all ecstatic to use cloth as we are the only family that do. The girls there love them!!! (And for the record, they NEVER dispose of the poo down the toilet, they fold it up in the nappy for me to deal with at home.. really.. is it that difficult to turn around and flick it into the toilet? anyhoooo)

Ali - woohoo on the healthy parasite With a heartbeat like that, I'm gonna say BOY for you honey.

Nettie - I use BumG's (and some Happy's if we run out) for DS - and will be using BumG's and MD's for DD - starting Monday

WOTB's: night nappys - BBB for her, GK Minky for him.

[suse]

(And for the record, they NEVER dispose of the poo down the toilet, they fold it up in the nappy for me to deal with at home.. really.. is it that difficult to turn around and flick it into the toilet? anyhoooo)

They're not allowed Mel. (A friend of mine runs a FDC and she told me). It's an odd rule that in many ways makes no sense, but it's a rule.

Sorry, that's all I've got tnight... off to beddybyes. Will BBL for proper hellos. Mwahs...

WOHB: Whzz Kidsz Night Nappy and Bear Bottoms MM fleece cover

[Gigi]

Reckon the BG will do ok for Childcare? What do others use for CC?

Nettie, i look at multiple parenting forums, and the topic of MCN and CCC comes up quite often. From reading those, i'd say the answer to "what do i send" is varied. It's also about
- age of child e.g the people who answer "fitteds with covers" often have the younger bubs with runny poo.
- what suits the child fit wise

but reading those types of threads made me decide to send multiples of the same type and same brand - so CCC worker only has to learn ONE way. Some people send varieties and different brands, but i wanted to make it as easy as, for our CCC.

so i got 7 of a type and brand that suit my bub. Both centres we've used, and also creches that i've used on a once off basis, no worker had a problem with the MCN - after i showed them how to do it once. and showed them the wetbag.

we happen to use sized swaddlebee PUL pocket that are sidesnappers. I wouldn't say that would be the case for every bub in CCC, they just suit my child's shape and give us great pootainment.

So, i would say to another person, pick a type that is a good fit for YOUR child and send X of those. (if bumgenius fit your child well, send a quantity of those). Make sure the team leader knows how your child's MCN is to be put on them (leg seal means no leaks etc), and how to use wetbag (zip it up, don't have to tie up EVERY pooey nappy in a plastic bag as well, put poo in the loo).

if child has formed poos, flushable liners are great, but double check they understand this really does mean you PUT THE LINER IN THE LOO! as i just found out, nodding yes, doesn't always meant they got it!

Ask about how they clean the kids. the 1st CCC we went to, they used wet cloth wipes on all kids. the 2nd CCC we go to now, they use wet paper towels, on all children. SOme might use commercial wipes, or ask you to provide your own.

the bubblebubs site has info about MCN and child care centres - including links to the Children's Services Acts around the various Aust. states. I printed that out to show the CCC (i didn't need to, but had it in my bag, just in case).

if a CCC wouldn't use MCN on my child, i would just say "bilby is allergic to the chemicals in sposies". CCC adapt themselves to your child's food allergies, and skin allergies, so cloth cos it's safer, or doesn't make your kid rash, is no different to me.

nurture nappies (under the INFO link at the top, going across) has a link called "What is in a disposable". i printed that out to show the CCC, in case i got any opposition, but didn't need to.

i was so keen to use MCN at CCC (it's part of bilby's normal life) that if we struck CCC who WOULDN"T use cloth, i would have gone elsewhere. i have that option, living in a city, i realise people living in smaller areas, may not have that choice. But given what the Children's Services Act says, i don't see how they can turn you down. Unfortunately their guidelines are SO out of date, talking about flats and pilchers!!! i had to educate them about MODERN cloth nappies and how the pockets WERE waterproof and did not need a silly PILCHER over the top!

the childcare workers have been fine with using MCN on bilbs each day. she has been in childcare for 6 - 8 months, not one sposie has been on her.

WOTBB: whizz kidz nightz with bear bottoms fleece pullup soaker

[Arimeh]

They're not allowed Mel. (A friend of mine runs a FDC and she told me). It's an odd rule that in many ways makes no sense, but it's a rule.

Seriously??? wow there ya go!! learn xomething new everyday!!! So what do they do with the poop in sposies?

I didn't know it was a rule cos there was one occasion that a nappy was sent home with a skiddy so obviosky someone had disposed of the poo!! Whoops - and here I was thinking they were just lazy!!! My bad....

[The[cookie]Doctor]

It's funny because we know they wouldn't think twice about just binning a disposable - hardly anyone knows you're supposed to scrape a sposie too, except for all us clothies ...

Night nappies - (Suse & Gigi - you both use the WKN - I'm just curious, do you boost with anything extra? Fleece Covers work okay?)
Does anyone have tummy sleepers that wet through their sheets everynight? I'm starting to think we might go back to disposables for night nappies because we really can't afford longies/shorties/soakers at the moment and he is wetting through soo often I am sick of changing sheets, airing the lambskin and having mine and or his bed smelling like wee.
We have been using
BBB's
WKNightz
Snoozywuns
Cute Tooshie
With extra BB Trifold, Maz-a-licious Booster, or 2 x mini Microfibre inserts. & Maz-a-licious minkee/fleecies.
I need to go up a cover size (I know that is half the tummy wetting problem becuase the cover rise is too short), but does anyone have any recommendations for high rise night nappies? The best I have so far is using a HH or BumG or largest setting with extra stuffing and he always comes out more dry in the morning.

Argh what a convoluted ramble, if anyone can make sense of that would be much appreciated, I don't even know what I was trying to get at anymore.

[Arimeh]

AJ - what size is he? i could send you DS's longies to try over the snoozywun if you like? Always worked here - he is a tummy sleeper too. They are at the top of his cupboard at the moment cos its far too hot here for longies - he's in his shorties now.

Lemme know babe.

[suse]

Hey Gigi - our bubs had matching bums last night! LOL!

Ash, I've PM'd you about night nappies, OK hon. But yeah, I think you'd do well do have something that works as a really harry highpants. The bear bottoms fleece covers are 300gsm MM Windpro, and have a rise that comes up to the armpits (almost). They are ace.

ETA: Mel - they just bin the poo with sposies. Dunno if they have an exemption from the rules re: waste disposal or whether it just gets 'ignored'.

WOHB: Dunno, daddy changed him and let me have a sleep in (love the man). He's now been having a nap for nearly two hours so I get to have a cup of tea in peace. I just checked - it's a BumG with a TotsBots cover - our new safeguard against the BumG leaks

[~Saram~]

We use all our nappies at daycare, either pockets or aio they are all made up so they all go on the same way anyway. We have always had a good reaction from childcare with nappies and they will usually rinse them and they have a little squirt for the poopy ones. I did get a phone call the other day asking if we could bring in a sealable nappy bucket as before that we had just been using our big swaddlebees wetbag. Apparently for accrediatation they needed to have a sealable nappy bucket. they all were gloves when changing nappies anyway so I don't see why they would have a problem with poo, after all they have to wipe it off the kids butt don't they? What's the difference?

Thanks for the info on the different websites Gigi I had a lady at reusable nappy week say she had been told by her daycare they wouldn't use cloth and I told her that I had seen you post links to some rules before that support cloth so off to check those out - Thanks

[Gigi]

cookie - no matter how good your night nappy is, unless you have a cover that SUFFICIENTLY covers the night nappy, you're gonna have problems.

any nappy, day or night, needs to be 100% covered by the cover, and with NIGHT nappies, it's even MORE crucial - cos of the wiggling, and moving that goes on all night.

any boosting you add, make sure AFTER you boost INSIDE the nappy, that you still have leg seal, there should be NO GAPES.. if you have gapes, consider OUTER BOOSTING.

you do up night nappy as usual, then take BOOSTING and add that OUTSIDE the ngiht nappy but INSIDE the night cover. (but the cover needs to be big enough to cover ALL of that night nappy, the outer boosting, WITHOUT giving you leg gape of the cover.

once all of this is on bubs, you should see LEG SEAL, not LEG GAPE. If you have leg gape, the cover is too small for your needs. The cover will probably fit your day nappies fine, but is not big enough for night nappying.

Happy Heiny seems a high rise product, does it come as high up on your bub as your night cover does? e.g above or below the navel.

before you go shelling out for high rise night nappies, i would try a high rise night cover in a big enough size FIRST, because that might be all you need - to make your current night nappies work. (unless you can see way more bottom crack than is desired, already in those night nappies).

but if you do get night nappies with a higher rise, the cover will need to be even bigger again. (rise especially). that's why i love the woollies with the drawstring, you get such a big weight range with them, soooo adjustable. you can buy them, technically too big, bring it all in with the drawstring. so the woolly lasts your child a much longer time cos they have all that growing room.

it really helps to go shopping for a night nappy, with your child's rise measurement, so you know what you are after. it's expensive to buy the night nappies, HOPING the rise will be long enough, cos it is for other people's babies. Email the maker, with your child's rise and ask their opinion BEFORE buying.

measure the rise of the night nappies you already have.
notice how close or far that is from your child's rise measurement.
compare that to the night nappies you find online (the rise).

Does your bub sleep right thru? or wake for a feed?

I was at a baby shower today, the only clothie there, and bilby had the cutest butt around. Go, you little minky minx!

WOTBB: kester kovers AIO (dh's fave). at 11kgs, she fits both the medium long and the large sizes, both on the smallest settings. Even over that milk gut, yes indeed.

Suse: what a pain having to put a cover OVER a BG - that just seems so wrong.