thanks teresa - I have put on for a strip wash but might get some of that whitener you mentioned, need to get things organised before Das is here afterall! I will keep the feedback option in mind, but might just make sure I ask plenty of questions next time to make sure I get a really good idea of condition

CL - these stains are as is from buying secondhand, but will keep the fake sweetener tip in mind.

Here's hoping the strip wash and if needed soak will do the trick. They didn't cost much so I won't be too upset, but DH will prob ban me from buying second hand as he wasn't impressed with the way they looked. It's just so much cheaper to find out what might work for Das when he/she arrives!