Thanks ladybirdflies My last cycle the post partum bleeding on topped 4 days before AF came, and I was sure that I O'd twice as I had O pains on the left side 3wks before and 1wk before AF turned up.

This time I was getting O pains starting on CD 13 through to CD17 on the right side an some AF-type cramping today and yesterday, we DTD on CD11, so there's a good chance I'll get UTD, I think what I'm scared about most is my past history of early miscarriage, part of our original decision to stop a 2 kids was because I don't think I could handle another loss

Gah, so frustrating not knowing whats going on, we need an inbuilt computer that tells us what is happening lol