Duramine

[Rouge]

It has very very yucky side effects. The first time I took it. I treated it like a magic pill and it sucked. The second time I took it I worked hard, exercised, forced myself to eat well and regularly and changed my life habits. I lost 17kgs the first time and kept it off for a year. But it wasn't the drug that did that. It was me. I only took it for 2 months. If you are not lazy minded it works. I've used it lazily and not lazily. And I got better results the second time when I put in the work. It stopped me from eating sure, but you stop taking the drug you get hungry again. Most people who don't exercise have lots of trouble. I was on the treadmill every 2nd day and walking and heaps of other things. It helped me train myself to eat smaller portions (I should to eat the same as a child due to the PCOS) but I started doing that BEFORE I took the drug. A ****ty year later I'm back on the band wagon, but in that crap year I didn't gain it back. So I maintained some of the things I learnt. I go up and down still, but mostly I'm on the way down. With two simple rules, I don't put food in my mouth as much and I exercise. Crazy talk I know. And for someone who bakes and loves to cook that's actually pretty easy... I get to share the love more Oh did I mentioned I changed my mindset?

Sopdet it's still the exact same drug. That is just a rumour.

[ellasmummy]

I took it a couple of years ago, and will be once I'm not breastfeeding anymore. I lost 20kgs on it, but also signed up to the gym, started exercising and cut the crap from my diet. The only side effect I experienced was being unable to sleep much the first few nights and had to force myself to eat small meals as I had no appetite. Once I finished taking it I continued to eat well and exercise. Drs will only let you take it for 3 months then u need a break off it for at least a month. I was crazy hungry the first few days off it, but I drank heaps of water and chewed gum.

[ellasmummy]

Also like any medication, everyone reacts differently

[Little-old-me]

I took it and I lost weight, but I also had massive mood swings, it ruined several friendships and my r/s.

My best friend at the time was on it too and she went into a psychosis. i havent spoken to her since

I put all the weight back on the minute I stopped taking it. i wouldnt sleep at all, Id grind my teeth had headaches from the teeth grinding and drank sooo much water due to dry mouth.

Was horrible

[delphmoon]

no, the side effects are not related to how much weight you have to lose
it's related to your own reactions to the medication -

i wouldn't ever think that size would have any bearing on the number or severity of side effects from a medication

I was more coming from that if people used it as intended- that is the morbidly obese- maybe side effects would be lessened. For instance- if an obese person who is relatively inactive and eats poorly took Duramine and a overweight person who is already fairly active and eats reasonable well took it- I suspect the side effects would be lessened in the obese person because the drug is 'doing more'. Side effects such as being figety, insomnia, and lots of energy can be written down to some of the drug being 'left over' by the body because it isn't needed...A person who is inactive would benefit much more from this 'energy boost' than from someone who is already active- the drug would have nothing to do for the active person....hmmm...not really expressing myself right but I know what I mean LOL. Its like if you give a strong sedative to a person who is already tired compared to a really awake person. The tired person will end up over sedated whereas the really awake person will just be tired...

It has very very yucky side effects. The first time I took it. I treated it like a magic pill and it sucked. The second time I took it I worked hard, exercised, forced myself to eat well and regularly and changed my life habits. I lost 17kgs the first time and kept it off for a year. But it wasn't the drug that did that. It was me. I only took it for 2 months. If you are not lazy minded it works. I've used it lazily and not lazily. And I got better results the second time when I put in the work. It stopped me from eating sure, but you stop taking the drug you get hungry again. Most people who don't exercise have lots of trouble. I was on the treadmill every 2nd day and walking and heaps of other things. It helped me train myself to eat smaller portions (I should to eat the same as a child due to the PCOS) but I started doing that BEFORE I took the drug. A ****ty year later I'm back on the band wagon, but in that crap year I didn't gain it back. So I maintained some of the things I learnt. I go up and down still, but mostly I'm on the way down. With two simple rules, I don't put food in my mouth as much and I exercise. Crazy talk I know. And for someone who bakes and loves to cook that's actually pretty easy... I get to share the love more Oh did I mentioned I changed my mindset?

Absolutely- Mindset..I believe in mind over matter. 5 years ago I lost 60kgs and was lovely and thin. I found my husband and then got fat again...arggg...If i was to use duramine (and thats a big IF) it would only be to help me physically get out and exercise. Once I lose the first 10-20kgs it will physically be easier to move IYGWIM.

I took it a couple of years ago, and will be once I'm not breastfeeding anymore. I lost 20kgs on it, but also signed up to the gym, started exercising and cut the crap from my diet. The only side effect I experienced was being unable to sleep much the first few nights and had to force myself to eat small meals as I had no appetite. Once I finished taking it I continued to eat well and exercise. Drs will only let you take it for 3 months then u need a break off it for at least a month. I was crazy hungry the first few days off it, but I drank heaps of water and chewed gum.

There seems to be a common theme. Those people wanting to loose big munbers like 20-30kgs are reported less side effects. The more one takes advantage of the opportunity to eat better and exercise the better the outcome maybe?

[nothing2lose]

I used to belong to a weightless forum and plenty of morbidly obese people had bad side effects with duromine. There were pages and pages of posts about them. So it's not just those who are moderately overweight who have problems with it.

Just saying...

[delphmoon]

It sounds like a very dangerous drug..I'm amazed its still on the market as the side effect appear pretty significant

[briggsy's girl]

the side effects are the reason many GP's won't prescribe it any more - i know my dad was on it for YEARS - he physically couldn't exercise (is riddled with arthritis due to a motorcycle accident) and when his usual long-term GP had to give up practice due to cancer and a stroke, he had to try at least five other GP's in the same clinic before he could get a script for it, and then it was a lower dose each time until he forced dad to wean off them.

they are really hard to get (with good reason) - you'd be surprised (or maybe not) of the black market in them for people in certain industries (driving etc) - while a script may cost $100 to fill, the tablets sell for at least double that (a few years back it was $5 or more for each tablet). so the GP's are very reluctant to prescribe them. it's not only bad for your body, but it's bad (in general) for people on the roads when this stuff is purchased simply for the speed factor. and the boys on the road - they know how to get the fastest strongest reaction from it (trust me!).

it should be taken off the market - but while there is a market like there is at the moment, for obese people asking for any possible help cos "nothing else has helped", they won't take it off the market. until there is proof that using it AS PRESCRIBED leads to patient or community deaths in large numbers, they won't do anything about it.

[briggsy's girl]

I was more coming from that if people used it as intended- that is the morbidly obese- maybe side effects would be lessened. For instance- if an obese person who is relatively inactive and eats poorly took Duramine and a overweight person who is already fairly active and eats reasonable well took it- I suspect the side effects would be lessened in the obese person because the drug is 'doing more'. Side effects such as being figety, insomnia, and lots of energy can be written down to some of the drug being 'left over' by the body because it isn't needed...A person who is inactive would benefit much more from this 'energy boost' than from someone who is already active- the drug would have nothing to do for the active person....hmmm...not really expressing myself right but I know what I mean LOL. Its like if you give a strong sedative to a person who is already tired compared to a really awake person. The tired person will end up over sedated whereas the really awake person will just be tired...

with the background i have in medical science and biochemistry, i'll stand by my disagreement in this logic. there isn't going to be "left over" drug just because a person isn't as big. there isn't going to be different reactions based on size. it's all the OTHER factors that are going to come into it. you could put two people, same weight, same height, same activity level - and there reactions could be totally different based on genetic factors etc. size alone will not contribute to the reactions. i've watched two people with very similar builds, same job, same activity level etc take duromine for the "speed" factor. one was almost entirely normal to interact with - the other was very obvious he'd taken the drugs.

i know what you're trying to reason, but from a science perspective, it doesn't really cut it.

if you want to take it, then make the enquiries with the GP and see how you go - but don't try and convince yourself that it's ok for you at BMI 40+ because that's what it's designed for - and if you didn't weigh x amount, it wouldn't be ok cos it's not designed for that. don't try and convince yourself that you'll have less side effects cos your BMI is 40+ rather than being 30. the side effects for you will likely be much the same no matter your BMI. IF, however, your HEALTH changes, your side effects MAY change. it is unlikely though, that a healthier person at a lower weight would have MORE side effects from a medication (which is essentially what you're trying to justify from my reading).

[delphmoon]

with the background i have in medical science and biochemistry, i'll stand by my disagreement in this logic. there isn't going to be "left over" drug just because a person isn't as big. there isn't going to be different reactions based on size. it's all the OTHER factors that are going to come into it. you could put two people, same weight, same height, same activity level - and there reactions could be totally different based on genetic factors etc. size alone will not contribute to the reactions. i've watched two people with very similar builds, same job, same activity level etc take duromine for the "speed" factor. one was almost entirely normal to interact with - the other was very obvious he'd taken the drugs.

i know what you're trying to reason, but from a science perspective, it doesn't really cut it.

if you want to take it, then make the enquiries with the GP and see how you go - but don't try and convince yourself that it's ok for you at BMI 40+ because that's what it's designed for - and if you didn't weigh x amount, it wouldn't be ok cos it's not designed for that. don't try and convince yourself that you'll have less side effects cos your BMI is 40+ rather than being 30. the side effects for you will likely be much the same no matter your BMI. IF, however, your HEALTH changes, your side effects MAY change. it is unlikely though, that a healthier person at a lower weight would have MORE side effects from a medication (which is essentially what you're trying to justify from my reading).

Hmm..okayyy. I'm not trying to convince myself of anything or justify anything and really- your post is aggressive. Thanks anyway