thread: Homeschooling Discussion & Experiences #1

  1. #235
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    Feeling lucky that Heaven lives close so Ill always have at least one person that gets it with similar age kids that seem to get along with my kids haha.... never move away...
    I disagree! She should definitely move close to me! Hmm, actually, I prefer warmer weather, so I wonder if I can get all my family, plus extended family, and DH's family, all to move up north? Hehehe


    Oh, and how have you had luck wit facebook groups? I'm having trouble finding the groups with the dodgy facebook search.

  2. #236
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    Most of my links came from Heaven originally I think lol and unfortunately are fairly QLD specific but a good place to start is at the Homeschool Australia FB group (https://www.facebook.com/groups/HomeschoolAustralia). Homeschoolers are a helpful bunch, Im sure if you post in there someone will be able to direct you to more specific place for your location, I see lots of wanting to connect type posts plus there is also like "where are you" type docs to join in on. At any rate it is a good place where bunch of homeschoolers all chuck in their thoughts, ideas and such so worth checking out whether it connects you to people physically or not imo. But yeah, starting at the more general Australia wide groups is my advice!

    Heaven might have some better ideas than that since she found my avenues originally, Ive benefited a lot from her leg work. One of the sites is like a connecting queensland homeschoolers (Connecting Queensland Home Schoolers for any QLDers interested) type website which is really good, hopefully they have one for your state too!

  3. #237
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    Thanks Jellyfish (and Heaven) I often read the links Heaven posts on facebook about homeschooling and always want to share them, but we had been keeping our home educating thoughts fairly quiet. I only recently found out that hubby had even mentioned it to his family (I was worried they would be really critical, which is silly because they are an awesome family-in-law). Then I re-posted a website with some homeschooling stats recently (one that showed how fantastic homeschoolers are doing and excelling beyond their peers for all areas including socially) and one of my cousins (who I haven't seen since I was a kid) was really negative about homeschooling, so now I'm nervous about posting and sharing homeschooling things again. Yup, silly I know. I'm quite confident in our choice and the reasons behind it, so I just need to own the decision and be confident and positive

  4. #238
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    No I get it. It isnt that Im not confident or I dont have well thought out reasons and information that I can give on demand, it is that I really just cant be bothered arguing about it especially with those who arent open minded. They are just going to annoy and agitate me and it will be pointless. And anyone I dont know their sway, I will assume there is a good likelihood that they already have all these negative connotations assigned to homeschoolers and it is such an up hill battle. When kindy mums ask me which school DD1 is going to I just say we are still deciding between a few options and leave it there... I kick myself later, wishing Id just said it but I just am not ready to own it publicly knowing what most are going to think, I am a little cowardly I suppose but I dont want people branding my daughter and her being excluded on some ignorant basis. But really, I want my face on homeschool. Im cluey, Im personable. Im just like everyone else and that is what a homeschooler is, not some detached from society alien but people we see and interact with all the time without a second thought. It sucks. Because I felt that way too, homeschoolers are 'weird'. It is scary to me how much in society is this assumed fact or assumed necessity and we just dont even question it because it just is right?... it just is. Discussion silenced by unquestioned precedence. Now I always question, why... why why why why why. Im like a reborn four year old lol. I love it but it has made me feel disconnected from a lot of people and a little bit like Im on the verge of starting some rebel take down the institutional control group. And there it is again, the whole assumption that those who question are a threat, are trouble makers, in it for their own self interest and must be stamped out asap. Bleh.

    Im such a radical lol.

  5. #239
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    Yes! You've put down all my thoughts perfectly! I need to remember that it doesn't matter if someone thinks what I'm doing is crazy. It's not a reflection on our choices, it's more of a reflection on their personal views and philosophies, and perhaps a little ignorance about what homeschooling is about. I was very surprised that my cousin basically implied that homeschooling couldn't give my kids the range of education and open as many doors for them academically as going to a normal school. I believe the opposite.

  6. #240
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    Yeah, exactly, I tossed and turned over my first blog post where I mentioned homeschooling (okay so it was entirely about homeschooling essentially) but then I was just like uh screw it, people already think Im odd so no point trying to pretend otherwise. Sooner I put it out there, sooner I can start turning their preconceptions on their heads!

  7. #241
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    I'm sure there's a section on the Homeschool Australia site about contacts in each state. I have mostly found things through other groups. There seems to be a lot going on here, sports days and language and gymnastics classes, as well as just play dates and excursions. I haven't really joined in yet though. I expect then when all their little friends start going off to school I'll have to get more involved though! I hear there is a big homeschool network in Victoria though and it is the easiest state to HS in!! Just post in the Homeschool Australia FB group and ask. There's also the 'Unschool Australia' group which I like too because we're planning a lot of natural learning as well.

    LOL, I think you should definitely move up here. I'm freezing now, I'm afraid I might die in a colder state, haha.

    I was the same with telling people. I didn't post anything after we'd decided for ages. Then started posting stuff and just getting less and less subtle, hahaha. Now we've told everyone and I guess they were expecting it. We have had NO negative reactions!! I was REALLY amazed. I think when you tell people just go with 'this is what we're doing' rather than 'we're thinking about doing this', it invites less opinions, LOL. I saw what your cousin wrote Mylitta, although I didn't know it was your cousin. I really wanted to reply more to her but didn't want to be offensive and start a fight with one of your family members or something, hahaha. I just don't understand people sometimes. I mean, what you posted was showing the facts. This is what the research says. Homeschooled kids do equal or better at everything, including social skills. So I don't see what the point is of having an opinion that that's not the case. If your 'opinion' isn't supported by facts then what on earth is the point? It doesn't mean much to me. I base my decisions on the truth, not opinions of people who most likely don't even know what homeschooling these days is all about.

  8. #242
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    Interesting article I just read, and I totally agree. So happy that homeschooling means we don't actually have to start anything until age 6.


    Bright children should start school at six, says academic

    Formal schooling should be delayed by at least 12 months because an over-emphasis on the three-Rs at an early age can cause significant long-term damage to bright children, according to a leading academic.


    Pupils should not be subjected to full classroom tuition until the age of six to off-set the effects of premature “adultification”, it was claimed.
    Dr Richard House, a senior lecturer at Roehampton University’s Research Centre for Therapeutic Education, said gifted pupils from relatively affluent backgrounds suffered the most from being pushed “too far, too fast”.
    He quoted a major US study – carried out over eight decades – that showed children’s “run-away intellect” actually benefited from being slowed down in the early years, allowing them to develop naturally.
    Many bright children can grow up in an “intellectually unbalanced way”, suffering lifelong negative health effects and even premature death, after being pushed into formal schooling too quickly, he said.
    Most British schoolchildren already start classes earlier than their peers in many other European nations. Children are normally expected to be in lessons by five, although most are enrolled in reception classes aged four.


    Dr House, who was due to present his findings at a major conference in central London on Wednesday, called on the Government to launch an independent inquiry into England’s school starting age.
    He said: “The conventional wisdom is that naturally intelligent children should have their intellect fed and stimulated at a young age, so they are not held back.
    “Yet these new empirical findings strongly suggest that exactly the opposite may well be the case, and that young children’s run-away intellect actually needs to be slowed down in the early years if they are not to risk growing up in an intellectually unbalanced way, with possible life-long negative health effects.”
    At the moment, most English children start school in nursery or reception classes at the age of three or four and are taught using the Early Years Foundation Stage – a compulsory “nappy curriculum”. They then move into formal lessons at the age of five.
    The Government has already unveiled a radical overhaul of the EYFS, including a significant cut in the number of targets all children are supposed to hit.
    But critics claim the revised pre-school curriculum still places an over-emphasis on desk-based tuition, with children forced to spend too much time practicing reading, writing, spelling and basic numeracy.
    Earlier this year, a coalition of 50 leading academics, authors and childcare organisations launched a campaign group – Early Childhood Action – to push for an alternative curriculum focused almost entirely on a play-based approach.
    Dr House said the new EYFS should be used up to six, with parents given the option to keep children out of school until this age. Ministers should consider the move as part of a wholesale review of the school starting age, he said.
    Speaking before the Westminster Education Forum on Wednesday, he claimed the case for change was supported by a longitudinal study of gifted children who started in school in the US in the 1920s.
    Prof Howard Friedman, a psychologist at the University of California, analysed their progress over 80 years and found that “early school entry was associated with less educational attainment, worse midlife adjustment and, most importantly, increased mortality risk”.
    Prof Friedman told the Telegraph that formal education usually began at six but early starters entered education at four or five.
    He added: “Most children under age six need lots of time to play, and to develop social skills, and to learn to control their impulses. An over-emphasis on formal classroom instruction – that is, studies instead of buddies, or staying in instead of playing out – can have serious effects that might not be apparent until years later.”
    The conclusions follow a study from the National Foundation for Educational Research in 2002 that starting late “appears to have no adverse effect on children’s progress”.
    Dr House said the Government must “help slow down the premature ‘adultification’ of children”.
    “There are of course some children from very deprived backgrounds who on balance would, and certainly do, gain a net benefit from such early interventions,” he said.
    “But the evidence is now quite overwhelming that such an early introduction to institutional learning is not only quite unnecessary for the vast majority of children, but can actually cause major developmental harm, and at worst a shortened life-span.”

  9. #243
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    Very interesting and I agree we seem in this huge hurry with our children, this concept of not being left behind. Im glad my girls will be able to set their own pace and schedule and depth. Ive just been researching reading and studies into how unschooled children suddenly just know, that it is just absorbed from daily exposure to literature and such with no focus on letters or phonics or anything. Just yesterday DD1 was doing an alphabet puzzle and I thought out loud, how many do you know? And she named like half of them! It is amazing what children just learn. Exposure and oppurtunity. Interesting from the personal accounts of unschoolers and their parents is how there was often a trigger; wanting ti cook but the parent was too busy so they had to read the recipe themself or miss out, wanting to read further in a story without being dictated by parental desire and schedule. I think we underestimate the role of self motivation in learning. How much better does one retains omething they were driven by their own goals and needs to figure out?

    So Im in no rush, I strongly believe that while I have a responsibility to provide resources and oppurtunities it is on my childrens own shoulders to learn. I cant control or force it and I dont need to.

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    Just saying hello if you guys don't mind.

    That was an interesting article. I read the US study that was referred to. Basically it is not about the early push of literacy, but the psychosocial readiness that influences later life outcomes. The age of reading didn't have much effect on overall outcome, it was those that entered the formal schooling system earlier that had less longevity than others. It was a very interesting study - over 1000 children growing over 80 years. There are many other aspects that they have found that correlate with a longer life too - personality type (conscientious live longer), parental divorce etc.

    It does suck though when you come across research like this and realise that you have done the wrong thing by your child (and worse that you knew it was wrong as you were doing it).

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    I'm in the position now trying to decide what is best for Miss 6

    She is not suited to classroom... I always knew that.
    She distracts herself, finds it hard to stay on task and is getting put in the ADHD?? box
    Which is better than being put in the naughty box
    Her teacher is very understanding and works with her, we recently found putting a bean bag on her lap in class helped her to stay sitting down and not walk or roll around the room (teacher has more patience than me!)

    She goes off in a tangent BUT is learning!! Loves poetry loves writing (although finds it difficult due to hypersensitive joints and low muscle tone.
    She can tell you spelling and mathematical rules and can read amazingly.

    It's hard when she is not falling behind, just different.

    Her school is fantastic, small with wonderful values.
    She also does gymnastics and dancing after school, social and fit little girl.

    Knowing she is hard work is hard to get my head around.

  12. #246
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    I'm really happy that DS's birthday is 2 days after the school age cut-off. It means he gets a whole extra year before he is meant to start school, so an extra year for us to be confident with our decisions, and prepared for all the requirements for home educating. I haven't looked into the regulations and requirements yet, but yes Heaven, I have heard it's much much easier in Vic than other states. Actually, does anyone know if you have to prove what your child knows (like, do they expect you to do tests/exams), or do you just show your curriculum? I'm not a fan of testing because I think all it really shows is a child's ability to retain information in the short term. I'd much prefer to teach my children how to discover the answer to something, rather than teach them how to memorise it in the short term. I don't think there would be too many situations in "real life" where a person is asked a major question and not given the opportunity to research their answer.

    Since joining the Homeschool Australia facebook page I've found that there are quite a few homeschooling families fairly close to me which is great. The hardest part for us at the moment will actually be trying to find time to meet new people with all the kid's commitments, lol. We have music lessons on Monday mornings, Montessori for DS Mon, Tue, Wed mornings, DD1 will be moving from the Early Learners class at Montessori to the Toddlers room next term so she'll be going Tue and Thurs mornings, and my Mum comes over on Fridays. Then add in the afternoon naps for the girls... lol. But once the kids start getting older and finish up at Montessori (their school goes to 6 years of age) we'll have plenty of time for socialising with other homeschoolers.

  13. #247
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    You definitely don't have to do testing! From my reading (which has been very QLD focused so it might be different in other states) you have to show a curriculum of sorts or at least expected aims and goals and then show your progress but that can be through photos and you writing observations and such. You dont have to register in QLD till 6.5 so I havent done any serious research on the topic yet though as I have time lol.

    I have a bit of a woohoo (and a huge proud mum gush) in that I told DD1s kindy teacher we were going to be homeschooling. I told her all about my reasons, my concerns, my plans and what we were currently trying to do and she understood and even said it would really suit DD1 and that she could tell I was a very innovative and involved parent from the bits and pieces DD1 brings into kindy and the things she tells about what she does at home. It was during our teacher interview this morning where she had written DD1s strengths as having a huge thirst for knowledge, tenacity, doer, motivated, self directed... basically a born little learner! She said she is quietly confident, not intimidated and not overbearing, just very sure of herself. That she plays and interacts with anyone and everyone, tries anything and everything, uses the space and resources to their fullest and is just such a bright spark, a total joy. She offered to help organise a second year of kindy if we were interested which is something we might look into as she is obviously enjoying the environment (it is very homely, child led, 5 day fortnight). Feeling very chuffed and validated

    I cant believe I actually said it out loud haha.

  14. #248
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    Artechim- Thanks for that. I didn't read the original study. There's just such a push to get kids into all sorts of activities so young these days, to make sure they're ahead. Don't be too hard on yourself

    Duchess- It is such a hard decision!! It took me ages to decide. It sounds like you know your daughter really well though and you will work out what is best for her I'm sure.

    Mylitta- You're really lucky. In Vic you don't have to do anything. All you have to do is send in a form saying you plan to homeschool. Don't have to show a curriculum or reports or anything. Jealous!!

    JF- So happy for you! So nice to get that validation that you're making the right choices.

  15. #249
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    Oh wow, maybe I do want to move to Vic!!

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    Oh good! That's great to know. Although, with the amount of photos I take I'm sure I could show some sort of progress hehe

  17. #251
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    I feel so excited to be staying home with my kids for even longer than I thought. That I get to witness their progress live rather than read the recaps after the fact.

    With the completion of DD2s busy board (here it is just prior to drilling/gluing, the letters are cut out of sandpaper) begins the next project; a sound wall to go outside! After that we might look into a water wall, will see how the sound wall goes first...

  18. #252
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    My mum seems to be really getting on board with homeschooling, she ordered us some cuisenaire rods which DD1 responded to straight away by making numbers add to ten! I'm sure they will be really great for starting to construct and deconstruct numbers. My mum was a primary teacher (works for education qld now) so will be neat having some of her ideas to add to my own too.

    She also bought us a marble run, guess she wasn't too impressed with my toilet roll contraptions haha. And an art cupboard with a few new supplies for it too. I feel like this is her way of saying I support you - my family has never been big on verbal communication.

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