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  1. #1
    Registered User

    Aug 2008
    35

    Hi B& L,

    firstly ill reply to the bit that Beth mentioned "I have spoken to other women who have used their partner's eggs, and they were a bit cold towards me when I was asking them questions about how it all worked. But they had done it at the end of very long difficult fertility treatments, as an only option to fall pregnant. I got the impression they thought I was being silly and just "playing house" trying to create an idealistic family."

    I guess women in general become cynical and annoyed sometimes when people ask questions - from where I stand questions are the only way to educate people - so I was always fine with questions. But I guess from talking to other lesbians in the community around the nation - there is some annoyance at the idealistic attitudes of some women trying to create "ideal" families.

    What always helped me was trying to look at it from "what is in the best interests of the child?" - somethings work for some women and some things don't - however you MUST consider what will happen to your child if your relationship breaks down. My advice to women from past experience is to document everything - go and see a lawyer and draw up an agreement between yourself and your partner and the donor if there is one - and you want him to have contact with the child regularly or otherwise. You can do this for free if you feel you have the knowledge by lodging Orders by Consent with the Family Court of Australia.

    Beth is correct - you can not put your partners name on the birth certificate in all states and territories. Births, Deaths and Marriages are a State jurisdiction not a Commonwealth one - so Orders by Consent are the best way to document your intentions at the time the baby is born between yourself and your partner - if the event that your relationship breaks down. If you use a known donor - go and see a lawyer and draw up an agreement - and include every detail that you want included. Do NOT leave anything to chance. Things do not always end well and not everyone stays friends - sure people start out with the right intentions but when a baby arrives - people become very determined to do it their way.

    I have seen many lesbian women leave it to chance and lose heavily. Finanically and with regard to children - not everything ends as you initally intended.

    When you make your decisions ensure that you will be happy with that decision if the relationship breaks down - and if you have reservations - go back to the drawing board. This is especially relevant with regard to a known donor. Don't take risks on the permise that it "will be ok!" It is too late once the "deed" is done.

    With regard to Medicare and Centrelink - you need to be correctly informed. I know women who have had to jump through hoops with Centrelink in order to get the Baby Bonus and the FTB etc - when they have used a known donor. It is a mindfield to navigate and not everyone in the Australian community is as progressive as we would like them to be. I have encountered numerous situations where people have been discriminated against - by saying that they used a known donor - myself included.

    My only advice is be very careful - we all begin with the same intentions - but not always do things go to plan - and sometimes things change.

    I have used a known donor and have also been through IVF and IUI through a clinic - on different occasions. All options have their negatives and positives. The difficulty is navigating your way through the minefield - and coming out the other side with an option that everyone is happy with.

    Best of luck - this is onyl advice that i have learned along the way - I hope it assists someone.

    Cheers
    Levi

  2. #2
    Registered User

    Oct 2008
    69

    hey there,

    i am from SA so can provide you with some SA specifics;

    1) Currently only people with diagnosed medical infertility can access IVF/IUI in SA.

    2) Only one mum can go on the birth certificate in SA - under father it will read either unknown, or donor - not sure which - cos we havent made it that far.

    As far as carrying the others egg/embryo - we asked the exact same question of our doc, and were told that once an embryo is created it belongs to both parents and we can choose what to do with it - so if we want the other mum to carry it - then it can be done.

    good luck with things - if you have any questions just pm me

  3. #3
    Registered User

    May 2008
    Country VIC
    381

    Oh, I feel silly.... I thought the name addition came in federally.....cause of Centrelink recognising both mums as parents in regard to child support etc. Maybe that's from state to state too?
    How stupid that it is STILL not clear and not the same from state to state....when will they catch up????? Grrrrrr

  4. #4
    Registered User

    Oct 2008
    69

    Oh i SOOOOO agree with you Sally(s) !

    SA is very conservative towards this sort of thing, and has just been left behind by so many other states - but of course the centrelink law changes apply (cos they don't want to give away money to people)! It is so frustrating that things like that are not all federal !

    congrats on your new pregnancy btw! here's hoping this baby cooks a bit longer than your last

  5. #5
    Registered User

    May 2008
    Country VIC
    381

    Thanks Kaz, we are hoping for a fully baked take home baby this time too!!

  6. #6
    Registered User

    Feb 2010
    Adelaide
    5

    Smile thankyou

    WOW!! Thankyou, all of you. So much info! Where to start??!! lol

    Well i have to say, Sally2, i like your advice on the GP's. I have been worried about going to one incase they are anti gay parents... But hey, there is nothing stopping us from getting second & third opinions, is there! We will go thru every doc surgery in Adelaide if we have to!!
    So i think that is where we will start. At least then we will know exactly what we can and cant do.

    Beth-n-Sara, I Love the "egg mummy/tummy mummy" thing. That is so cute! For our first we plan for me to be the egg mummy, and Larney will carry (as she has done it before (previous relationship) and i am shh** scared. lol), But i will be giving it a go in a couple of years time!

    I think you will find in regards to the surrogacy thing it will be much much simpler if you donate your eggs to your partner rather than trying to nut out the legalities of surrogacy.
    I am just wondering, Could you explain to me how this works? Does she have to have a medical condition or something wrong with her own eggs for them to allow this? And how does the IUI process work with that?? This might be a stupid question, but can they put someone elses egg in you, unfertilised??



    Levi78, Great advice and info, thankyou so much. I had always planned to draw up some sort of agreement with our donor, i am very cautious there. But i hadnt thort about an agreement with my partner... As depressing and horrible it is to think about.. it is a sensible thing to do! We will look into it. So thankyou for the info on the 'Orders by Consent' thing.




    As far as carrying the others egg/embryo - we asked the exact same question of our doc, and were told that once an embryo is created it belongs to both parents and we can choose what to do with it - so if we want the other mum to carry it - then it can be done.
    Hi Nurse27, i am just wondering, you confirmed that IVF and IUI is only available in SA to medically infertile women... So how can they create an embryo for us?? Isnt that IVF??

    So do you have any children yet? Or are you ttc?? Because you are in adelaide aswell i am eager to hear how other adelaide lesbo mums are concieving!!
    I am really interested to hear from DrGirl72 as she is also in Adelaide and has 3 children already, and i want to know HOW DID SHE DO IT???? lol


    ANYWAY.... Thanks again to all of you.. You have all been so helpful and kind. I look forward to talking to everyone some more.. and hopefully in a years time i too can give some advice to a beginner!

    But first things first, and i think that would be to go find a GP who wants to help us!

    Thanks again,
    B.

  7. #7
    Registered User

    Jun 2007
    Adelaide, SA
    141

    Hi BandL, sorry my reply has taken so long and apologies for any typos as am typing one handed with my baby on my lap! I had my first 2 children with my ex DP. She was the biological mum for them both and we conceived them using a known donor, a 3ml syringe and it was a DIY job at home. We were lucky to conceive fair;y quickly both times (3rd go for DS1 and 2nd go for DS2). We did investigate using a clinic but in SA in1996/97 we didnt get very far at all with that! I left my ex DP a bit over 5 years ago and our 2 sons live half time (week about) with each of us (another separate and long story). My DP and I started TTC with a known donor almost 3 years ago (a different donor to DS1 and DS2). After about a year of no BFP we both had some tests, he had some sperm issues and I had a short luteal phase and low progesterone- but it was unclear how this may be affecting fertility. We saw an ob (not FS) and tried clomid with no success. At that point we were referred to repromed. You are correct that in SA you have to be "medically infertile" rather than "socially infertile" to access reproductive technologies. However, the definition of medically infertile can be somewhat subjective and is up to the individual FS. We started IVF (ICSI in fact), still using our known donor and conceived DS3 on our third cycle. He is now almost ten weeks old. It is a complex area and I would be more than happy to chat more with you either on the phone or in person over coffee etc. PM if you'd like to be in touch. Re a good GP, I have some suggestions and also believe that ALMA (Australian Lesbian Medical Association) now keep a register of medical pratitioners recommended by other lesbians. Hope this is helpful... have lots more I could say but one handed typing is not that easy! Good luck on your journey