MummaBee I apologise if I've read your sarcasm incorrectly but I didn't mean there should be a PSG for my sake, I said it should be so that others who don't agree with the gentle parenting perspective of the behaviours mentioned don't get offended when a thread like this is started in the gentle parenting section on the forum. But seriously where does it end? We would need a private support group everything! An example is one for breast feeders so that when we post about how amazing it is for mother and baby we don't offend formula feeding mothers. I mean seriously! This is the Gentle Parenting section of BB and anyone who is offended by us saying we think these things are not very nice has a problem! I will happily state that these things make me feel sick! Seeing a child gasping for air and screaming while being dunked in water or a screaming child who's been left in a hot car or a baby being put in the cold winter to cry itself to sleep or a toddler being smacked 17 times for touching her vagina or even a child being dragged by their hair are very serious matters and those doing the right thing by standing up and saying it's not ok shouldn't be the ones worried about offending someone!