Oh meow, i KWIM! now that i have cable here in LA i am gobsmacked at the birth shows! they are all super super medical and c-section central! and the way that they are done! i am horrified and had a little cry when i saw one baby being left stark naked, with his arms out above him searching for a grasp of his mummy, only to find those horrid bright lights of theatre and a plastic covered hand man-handling him to put INK prints of his feet on some paper!! and the rough as suctioning...with no bodily support or cocooning. my gosh.