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thread: Homebirth general discussion #8

  1. #145
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    Jen- really?! 6 weeks!! that's flown. glad you still have an outlet of those groups. I'm going to join a weekly one here after bubs comes. hopefully it will be a good way to meet like minded people as I haven't yet really met anyone here in wa.

    Kelly- glad your appointment went well.sounds like you've got great support (apart from the hospital)

    meow- I'm so sorry about your mum. I also know the stigma that comes with suicide. I found that after I lost my best friend 4 years ago that no body wanted to talk about it. I understand its a hard topic but I found people wanted to just act like it never happened.

    thankyou to all of you for the birth blessings xx

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  2. #146
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    Came across this article (via homebirth Australia FB status) and it mirrored some recent ponderings of mine.
    Elsevier

    Birthing outside the system: Perceptions of risk amongst Australian women who have freebirths and high risk homebirths

    Melanie Jackson, Hannah Dahlen, Virginia Schmied,

    Midwifery (Article In Press)

    Abstract

    Background

    homebirth for low risk women attended by competent midwives who are networked within a responsive maternity care service is supported by research as safe. Concerns exist over the safety of homebirths which are unattended by trained health professionals, or for women with medically defined risk factors. Both these birth choices are unsupported by mainstream maternity care options in Australia and therefore represent birth choices considered to be 'outside the system'.

    Aim

    to explore the perceptions of risk held by women who choose to have a freebirth (birth at home intentionally unattended by a trained birth attendant) or a 'high-risk' homebirth (professionally attended home birth where a mother or baby has medically defined risk factors). Both of these choices are considered to be 'outside the system'.

    Methods

    twenty women were interviewed about their choice to 'birth outside the system', nine choosing freebirth and 11 choosing to have an attended homebirth despite the presence of medically defined risk factors; three were primiparous and seventeen were multiparous. Women intending to have, or having had a freebirth or high risk homebirth, were interviewed using semi-structured interviews. Interviews were transcribed and analysed using thematic analysis.

    Findings

    the three main themes about perceptions of risk that were evident in this study were: 'Birth always has an element of risk', 'The hospital is not the safest place to have a baby'; and 'interference is a risk'.

    Discussion

    the participants acknowledge that birth is a time in life that carries an element of risk. They perceive that hospital represents a more risky place to give birth than at home and that interventions and interruptions during labour and birth increase risk. Women who birth outside the system perceive the risks of birth in hospital differently to most women. These women feel that by birthing outside the system they are making a choice that protects them and their babies from the risks associated with birthing in hospital and thus provides them with the best and safest birthing option.

    Conclusion

    in pursuing the best for themselves and their babies, women who birth outside the system spent a lot of time and energy considering the risks and weighing these up. For them birth in hospital is considered less safe than birth at home.

  3. #147
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    Jul 2005
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    Mel is my m/w. She's doing a PhD on this topic atm. We've had some great discussions about this, because I'm also considered high risk as a VBAC.

  4. #148
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    Jun 2009
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    Ash & Loulabelle : hope all is going well. And all the best for your upcoming births.

    Jen: would love to see the pics too.

    I have a video on YouTube but can only be watched if I add your email address. As I want to limit who sees it.

  5. #149
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    Dec 2007
    Sunny Qld
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    *cough cough*

    Tegam - can you give me the name of some good midwives around Brisbane/caboolture area please?

    Just...doing uh...more...research.....

  6. #150
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    *cough cough*

    Tegam - can you give me the name of some good midwives around Brisbane/caboolture area please?

    Just...doing uh...more...research.....
    just research hey?

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    Vicki Chan does Brisbane doesnt she? Amaaaazing, incredible woman.
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  8. #152
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    MNB you can pm me I know a few. I just birthed on the sunshine coast. I would suggest Kate Pernham. She is the MW who works with my MW often. She is lovely, and very experienced. Vicki does the sunshine coast as she lives in buderim and she often is away doing outreach work in foreign countries.

    MNB, I thought u were down in tassie??? How exciting!! Maybe we could meet up! Also Anne Endes is a midwife who works independently and at caboolture hospital. I don't know her personally. But we r fb friends. She has medicare for midwives, so she might be good.

  9. #153
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    By the way...... Congratulations on your ahhhh...... Research project

  10. #154
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    Jun 2005
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    I understand the research MNB... if we contemplate another I will need to research and talk to MWs BEFORE even getting pregnant because I need to know if I'm up against "high rick" now I'm over 35 (I've heard that's an issue in the states!!!)

    Thanks to everyone for your kind words about losing my mum. It is still triggering to write about it so thank you for your compassion. Mother's aren't allowed to "depart" in our society and I think that makes such a struggle for women who are dealing with PTSD and PND after the birth of their children

    That's a really interesting article hoti- thanks for sharing! I felt like that even though I was not "high risk". I was not one of those women who was happy to transfer at the slightest whim and only wanted to HB if things were easy. I really believe we were safer at home and I was only going to hospital unconscious!

  11. #155
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    Meow I was/am the same I would only be transferred if absolutely necessary. But that's where I trust my midwife to know when there is a need rather than a scare iykwim.

    Mrs nerd burger: I will ask Tegam for you as she hasn't got much of a chance to get on the computer at the moment.

  12. #156
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    But that's where I trust my midwife to know when there is a need rather than a scare iykwim.
    Same, I was very careful about choosing my MW so that I trusted her on the issue of transfer.

  13. #157
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    Dec 2007
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    Thanks guys

    Meow - big hugs lovely

    Bella - I'm in caboolture well, bellmere really.

    I have a friend who is a student midwife who said she will be my support in hospital, thinks I'm pretty high risk for a home birth (given my age, would be 5th pregnancy, vbac again -still, and cos I tend to bleed) so I emailed my midwife from tas to ask her - she said I should have stayed there cos they wouldn't consider me to be high risk!

    I'm happy to go to caboolture hospital with Lisa cos I know she would support me and I wouldn't have to fight anyone cos she would get everyone to leave me alone, but having support at home would be better!

  14. #158
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    If your old MW didn't think of u as high risk, then I doubt that Kate would. Also caboolture has a pretty good reputation for their maternity services. I went there for antenatal care a couple of times. Didn't tell them that I was planning a hb, but it was where I chose to transfer to if necessary. I am in caloundra, so it wasn't much further than Nambour.

    As for a student stopping people from interfering during a birth, can I say with respect that that is harder than it sounds..... When u work in a unit and have relationships with the other clinicians, it can actually make it much harder than if you don't know them at all. I have seen that played out so many times and heard it even more. When the consequences of standing up for you mean being fired or failed on her placement are there it can be hard. I don't doubt her intention or desire to protect you, but I have seen it go wrong. Funnily enough my MW is writing her thesis for her phd on the subject of how mw's struggle to be "with women" when they are also "with the institution". So we have had many chats about that. Having said that if u find a great MW and then have to transfer because something is going wrong, then ur friend may be able to smooth ur way in those circumstances. Good luck tho love. I hope u find the perfect MW for you and the perfect birth in the perfect environment.

  15. #159
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    Thanks Bella. I used to live in Caloundra many moons ago! Small world. When I say my friend is a student midwife, she is, but she is also employed at Caboolture hospital as a nurse - so not sure if that changes stuff? When she had her last boy - (10 pound 11!!), she had a water birth at caboolture, even though they're not supposed to do that - she just didn't get out of the bath and kept on pushing. So I'm pretty sure she would fight for me to have one too.

    Having said that - I definitely would want a home birth over that - I'm just minutes from cab hospital anyway. well... 10... LOL

    Em - I missed your post before, I was on my phone and for some reason your post didn't come up? But thanks for getting in touch with Tegam for me. xxxx

  16. #160
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    Jun 2005
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    I agree you should keep looking into a HB. Why fight for what you want in hospital when you can just have it at home?

    Your bleeds haven't been severe from what you said and there is lots you can do in pregnancy to avoid bleeding. And you can drink certain teas/take herbs immediately post birth to assist too. Start researching with a MW and you'll be fine

  17. #161
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    MNB - GL with the research. I hope it's treating you kindly. I think you will find a HB m/w to support you if you ask around.

    I've changed my mind. I don't think I'm done. *sigh* DP certainly is, but I am taking heart that he doesn't want to take any permanent measures. I'll leave it in the hands of the universe. I know how lucky I am to have Hannah, but still... I'm enjoying her so much and it seems so much more seamless this time. I guess we'll enjoy her and see what happens.

  18. #162
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    Mar 2009
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    Nawwww Jen! Give him time to think. Boys often need time to mull it over before they decide to agree with us girls

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